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Journal Entry: Wed Jul 27, 2016, 7:22 AM



I recently questioned one of the groups I'm in about a deviation that they accepted.  It was a shot of a woman with her legs spread open rather gratuitously,
which seems to be a growing trend on this site.

As an art nude photographer, I feel qualified to speak on this subject.
Before I started doing this, several photographers gave me the advice, "Just because you can show everything, it doesn't mean you should".

I love erotic art.  It's great.  But it should still leave something to the intellect.
Like any other art, it should be well-crafted, with attention to details like lighting, composition, mood, etc..

Genitals, in particular, are a difficult subject to capture with taste.  One wrong move, and it quickly becomes pornography.
Not that I have a problem with pornography.  I view porn fairly regularly.  It has its place.
But that place is not on an art site.

What I'm about to show is graphic.  And if you're here because I used one of your images, I'm not meaning to shame you.
I'm just showing a comparison.  And hopefully this will be helpful.

It's not the subject matter.  It's how it's handled.

First, let me start with a few examples of how it's done with a sense of artistry:

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Aquanet by phydeau

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The Secret Aura by ArtofdanPhotography

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Self: Eros-in-Nirvana I by LovittGirl

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Folds by mantispid

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A Rather Lovely BW View by NoNoizePhotography
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In Homage by Solus-Photography

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Nude Stance by SEnigmaticX
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Body Wash II by SEnigmaticX

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penis and body by godan5


Now let's see the same subject when you just take a point-and-shoot camera, maybe with a flash,
and don't put much thought into it:

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Manipulation 4 by KingScimia
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Sexy by xwetpussyx

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Wet shaved pussy by DamienThorn92

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Pussy by teresa-mendoza-rod
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Khadija PA14L 23 by calorifere1

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Do you not see that there's a world of difference?

Keep it classy, folks.

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Lamp-Mother Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2017  Student Writer
I agree with this. I do not favorite nude photos, but there is a huge difference between 'professional nude photos and art' and amateur pictures saying, "Come and get it!" Great breakdown. :thumbsup:
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Ikarusthefirst Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
I totally agree to you! :clap:
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foureyes Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2016
Excellent point Eric :thumbsup:
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Bushi357 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
OH HELL YES! This is exactly what I have been saying for many years here. Thanks for making this whole thing into a great leaning experience for those that actually want to know and understand!
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Lea930 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2016  Student General Artist
I rarely read journals, but this caught my interest since it's been something I've worked for during quite a time. I wish more people would realise that nudity isn't the same as sex or pornography, although they are connected to each other and both are beautiful, and porn is not the same as sex even though they bot are good things. I wish people could see the difference between porn and art, and that photographers would make that difference clearer. Great post and great examples! Photography showing the genitals doesn't even need to be erotic, really.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Right!  I'm not meaning to demonize pornography (or sex).  But for those that do, I'd wish that they see the difference.  I'm preaching to the choir with you, but I'm glad people are getting what I'm meaning.
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HoremWeb Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2016   Photographer
You wrote my thoughts, too. Except that porn and art nudes are two different genre and even porn can be done in artistic level, while keeping being arousal. The whole difference is about conscious and understanding job I think. I see several examples where an actual intercourse was featured in a very artistic way, and simply nude shots (or even dressed ones) done in rather bad and disgracing way. It came to my mind by seeing the examples of the... well, let's say snapshots, and the slogan below about respecting the model. I see this sign under several images where the image is dehonesting, objectifying, or just simply bad. How can I respect a model when the photographer doesn't respect her/him? 

I wrote several times, even about "simple" portrait photography, that the beautiful image is the effort of the model, while the ugly one is the mistake of the photographer. And this is not about gears, lights, bells and whistles but intentions and devisions. Being artistic and beautiful is an ability that can be learnt or improved but basicly everybody possess it. In love, either in paternal or marital, or even religious love can make any person utterly beautiful. Talented and educated models can provide this by decision, some person can simply achieve it by being themselves, but everybody has the moment of their own beauty. When a photograph features a beautiful person or body, this is because the photographer took the image in the right time. Bad images with ugly model or simply badly done images are the fault (the sin) of the photographers because the photog has the ability of making decision. The photog presses the shutter and the photog decides when to press. It is the photographer's responsibility to take the good image, at the right moment, with the right lights, setting, etc. And among this whole lot things, he has the responsibility of being respectful to the model. Take a look to your good and bad examples and judge where do you see respect.

So, I would add to this whole matter that "Please respect the model. Don't take pictures in disrespectful ways" and that will make obvious difference between artistic and porn. If I understand "porn" as "snapped for using anyway". But maybe I over-simplify the things...

Take my bow (and arrows ;) ) Eric, thank you for this journal!
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Nicely said.  Nuance is important.  But I didn't want to cloud my own argument.

Indeed, I have seen very explicit material done with artistic expertise, and I have seen very benign examples that just weren't done well.  And that's where the grey area comes in.  I don't want to fault people for lack of craftsmanship.
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HoremWeb Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2016   Photographer
You're right :)
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Oberon232a Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
I have questioned "Art v. Porn" many times on this site. I think the standard of "I'll know it when I see it" doesn't work to draw the line, nor does flaccid or spread. Based on your above samples, the standard might be high contract vs not or skilled vs not. 

Porn, as defined by the US Supreme Court, is works created for the purpose of sexual gratification or arousal. Which is probably close.

I once decided to find the line by an experiment. It was simple, I set my desktop wallpaper to rotate 4 times a minute and set the source directory with 50% of what I considered high quality porn, and 50% of what I considered high end nude art. After a month, I added 200 images of crude porn and 200 images of crude art nudes. The game was guess which was which. Most of the time, I couldn't say for sure which set it was from.
As an aside, my wife HATED this experiment because half the time she would come into my office and say "Oh, that's so is pretty" and the other half of the time she would say just "Oh". She has opinions, but to be fair, she wasn't watching the screens turn all day.

So what then is the line that I found? It's turns out not to be a question of Art v. Porn but of Arts v. Crafts.

If you made it for the sake of art, it is expressive, sometimes beautiful, and Art, regardless of quality or skill.

If you made it to get off to, show off how hot some chick is, make someone else get aroused, or to show off the functions of a vibrating eggplant, it turns out you made Craft.

And what is craft, the making of something for practical functions. Look at your fine china. It was always meant to be a plate you could eat off, and yes it can be artistic, and require the highest level of skill to make, but it still remains a functional thing, so it is craft. The same is true of porn.

If the most skilled photographer shot a spread legged women because he wanted to study the light, share an interesting shape, or express the beauty of the image, it is art. If he wanted to give you an erection, it's porn. Same artist, same subject type, same skills, different purposes. There it is, a simple to define line. Just like, a doctor kills a man by making a mistake while trying to save a life is tragic but not a crime. And then that same doctor gets in his car an intentionally runs over his wife and it is tragic AND a crime. It all boils down to intent.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
THAT was a beautiful metaphor!!  BTW, let me congratulate your wife.  It's not easy being married to an artist. :)
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Oberon232a Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank you, and thank you. 
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richartemurillo Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Student Photographer
I agree! It's the approach and aesthetics on this matter. As simple as that Nod 
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
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Mocris Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Couldn't agree more.... ☺
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SmilinSheckyRimshot Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
There's definitely a difference...but I hesitate to dictate to others what is art and what is not. Also, I've always been of the opinion that a picture/video can be both art AND porn. We don't have to just pick one...especially since it's so subjective. For instance; I consider the work of say...Suze Randall, to have artistic merit whilst also having explicit content, designed to arouse. I think that if I walked up to her and said "Your work isn't art!" I'd rightfully be socked in the jaw. The work she puts into a shot is certainly AN art. I understand your issue with laziness but some people may prefer the candor of a spontaneous shot. Anyway...I'm rambling...
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
No.  You're not rambling.  There is some subjectivity to it.  My recent reply is almost exactly what I'm going to say, here.  The way I try to explain the difference between erotica and pornography (though subjective) is this:  Erotica is something that you can hang on a wall, and people can gather around and discuss.  Pornography makes you want to duck into the bathroom for a few minutes.
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Mom-EsPeace Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016
I'm not sure whether or not I have the entitlement to have an input here, but it's what I do (make inputs, that is,) so I will. I have virtually no photography knowledge whatsoever. I shoot images for stock not for art, so it's a totally different beast. You don't want ANY shadows for stock--let alone artistically placed shadows or the 3D golden rule. You want images free of any, what I will call, flaws and at various angles so the artist doesn't have to stretch them or cover them unrealistically.
That being said, as you know, I have done a little bit if modeling for stock only. I'm NOT a model, nor do I have any delusions that I am the type of model people seek out. The reason my hubby and I started posting images of me (and most are nude) was because he is the founder of a group for erotic manipulations. The biggest complaint we got when starting out was the lack of erotic poses (male and female) to make images for the contests we were holding for this group. (There is plenty of nude stock on here, yes, but few in erotic positions and SOME that actually have "no porn" in their tous, oddly enough. And while I try to avoid making porn, I do come close to that border, so I feel leery about using those images.)
Anyway, we're complete amatuers and going back and looking at those images kinda makes me cringe. We had no well thought out plan of what erotic poses should be. He started shooting and I moved every now and again. What it turned into was a mass of nude amatuer images of me--some more nude than others, if you get my meaning, but very few in erotic poses.
Anyway, to make a long story longer, tasteful or not was not our intent. Of course, erotic art does not necessarily mean porn and I will stand by that until my dying day. My erotic manipulations, besides a rare one here and there, are generally focused on the viewer using their imagination to visualize or feel what might happen next in the scene. That's what makes me tingle and what I hope makes other people tingle as well.
Oh, I could go on for days about this, but I will try and get to my point. The comments we got were not from stock users ( except our friends) but from, mostly, gentleman out to find those types of poses and use them for "other" purposes. And while most were complimentary (because my hubby specified that we would NOT accept crude comments,) we knew why they started watching, nontheless. Let me express what a shock this was to me since, again, I AM NO MODEL and these were stock images NOT art.
What I finally came to realize, because I'm that slow, is, art site or not, it means nothing to this ever growing populous. They know an art site is ripe to find the content they seek. And in the wake of that is the still more sickening groups of young ladies who know they will recieve as much adulation as they desire on here if they post these kinds of images.
So, while I agree with your post whole heartedly, I know it is an argument that will never be won. It's like beating your head against a brick wall, and in all honesty, while I will probably get hate mail for this comment, those ladies (and gentlemen) you featured in the "not so tasteful" category are probably giddy that they got featured, regardless. More exposure, no pun intended, for them.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
The irony was not lost on me.  But at least I won't be adding them to the folder of things that I've featured.  :)

And yes.  I think you and I are in agreement that though they may overlap to a good degree, erotica and pornography are two separate entities.  The way I try to describe it is that erotica is something you can hang on a wall in a gallery, and people dressed to the nines can gather around and discuss the art.  Pornography is pretty cut and dry - you want to hide somewhere for about 3 minutes.  :)
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Wheatley-Erotic Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Professional Photographer
As a fairly inexperienced photographer whos wife and main model happens to be a highly experienced and fantastic ex fine art model who also has an interest and some experience in glamour and soft porn, this is a subject that interests me. 

My work has hit both extremes, I have done the perfectly lit and composed macro shot along with the tacky playboy style tease thing. When I first started out as a photographer, the collaboration between my wife and I was all about pure art... Lofty pretentious stuff with a narrative and ever so carefully composed. Then later on we loosened up a bit and started playing around with ideas like pin ups and the kind of sexy posters I had in my room as a teenage boy. 

The results of posting these images for sale was interesting for two very surprising reasons. The first was that for all the admiration and kind comments for perfectly lighting and composing beautifully artistic works. The prints rarely, if ever sold. The silly joke pictures like flossing her private parts with a stocking or dressing up as a comic book character however did sell, by the bucket load. 

The other shocking thing was that it was the pure art stuff that was reported and subsequently removed from various sites. On entirely arbitrary tick box grounds, for example ; inner labia visible, hands too close to genitals so could be construed as simulated masturbation. The images that were reported and banned were always the fine art ones. I had similarly graphic images with flatter, more playboyesque lighting that were either never reported or any complaints were not upheld.  

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the UKs art nude or glamour scenes. But there are a few togs that may interest you. One is called John Tisbury, really amazingly talented artistic visionary. he has created some of the most amazing harder style fine art nude images ever created. The other one is called Iam T aka Ian Thompson. He is responsible for some of the UKs finest glamour and soft pornography work, he seems to hate his job. It is just something he does because he can and his reluctance allows him to have a unique rapport with models and maintain some kind of distance and detachment that models rarely get to enjoy on such shoots. 

Realise I went of topic a little, but it is all closely related and I thought I could offer you some more food for thought. I totally agree with your post and think you had some balls to just stick your neck out and say what needed to be said. :)
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
I am familiar with John Tisbury.  I'll have to check out Ian.

I don't really feel as if I've stuck my neck out, but somebody definitely needed to say it.  Thank you.
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Wheatley-Erotic Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Professional Photographer
BTW. You haven't featured our work in quite some time. WTF man!? Haha! Only kidding dude.

Hope some of of work pleases you though. You do seem to have an admirable taste in the world of erotic and nude art.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
I'll keep an eye out.  You were competing with 272 artists, last month.  :)
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DaddyHoggy Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016
Big thumbs up here. I've stopped watching a few deviants because they've gone from 'nicely done' to 'I don't need to see that'.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Ya know, it's not so much " I don't need to see that" as it is, "I've seen that a million times.  Show me something new."  :thumbsup:
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DaddyHoggy Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016
Good point, but, we all have boundaries & ideas of what is artistic, beautiful, thoughtful and 'acceptable' and for me personally, genitalia rarely float my boat.
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Agent36496 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016   Writer
What is it with people and close-ups of their own genitals?
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
I get the fascination.  I just wish people had a better sense of how to represent them.  Yeah, "What is it with people and close-ups of their own genitals?"  Good question.  But I also don't want to discourage it, if they know how to do it without being a blatant exhibitionist.
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Merkosh Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016
Well said :-)
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slowdog294 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Professional Photographer
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Daghrgenzeen Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
:nod: Well said!
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gigi50 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Absolutely agree here 100%
Well done at showing the difference :clap::clap::clap:
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Eric-S-Huffman Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
As a person who requests and searches out and such for my groups nude art I can say that i have been and seen both extremes. However with my groups theye is a place for such and what I look for is not so much the positioning or even the model. If they have the legs spread open and it is a good photo what matters to me is that it IS a good photo not what necessarily shown IN the photo.
There is too much divergency in each persons photo artworks for me to ( I feel ) limit myself on content per say. ( i do NOT allow murder/death scenes in any of my groups for example, nude or no) So I simply take what ever piece i see in thumb that MIGHT be worth looking at and then open it in a new tab. if THEN I find the work 'good" ( or better than good. some is amazing/Wow! )  despite the content I will send the request to showcase it in either my groups or ones who I regularly "find" art for while i am going thru my watches ( WhitehairedBeauties, ClassicNudeart, CleanBeauties, BestOfDA, Sensationisim, and my 3 "main" groups ClearingHouse, RedSaidFred & MuscleKittens )
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Sure.  And this is one of those areas where there are going to be grey zones.  In selecting the images for this journal, I ran across a few that were from photographers who were actually trying to make a good image, but for whatever reason weren't quite good (cheap equipment, lack of experience, whatever).  I also came across a few lovely photos where the models legs were a little more open (the one by :iconartofdan70: I actually chose because it's one of his more conservative).  I didn't want to muddy my own argument.
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Eric-S-Huffman Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
yet to make matters worse what is one man's nude is another's porn. and never the twain shall meet in agreement. and each and ever one has their own " I know the difference' ingrained in what passes for their minds.
Hades i know the joke of Islamic porn ( from when i was posted to Saudi about 20ish years ago) of a woman in a full head to tow wrapping showing her ankle and the males being slavering like it was a Larry Flynt orgy party!.
So the best YOU can do is just the best you can do and I will also and hope that those who have posed such images can learn to do better work. and if not well then it is no great loss since there is enough who have learned your lesson to compensate.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
My dad (Air Force, stationed at Yakota AFB, Japan) used to have a poster that said, "Fly MAC: Diego Garcia", and the image behind it was a woman, shoulders-up wearing a veil.  :lol:

I think my issue is not so much what people consider to be pornography.  I actually coined a phrase that hasn't caught on, yet:  "Some people have shoe fetishes.  That doesn't make a Hush Puppies ad child pornography".  Like I said, it's not the subject matter that disturbs me (I'm a nudist, for crying out loud.  I've seen many a person's "junk" in person).

But as a photographer and an artist, I want to see better photography.  And I want to see more respect for the human body as the work of art that it is.

One of my friends, :iconfrancoisdewynter: teaches a class where he has the phrase, "Art is taking something ordinary and making it extraordinary.  Pornography is taking something extraordinary and making it ordinary."  If you want to see what he shows you next, you'll have to take his boot-camp (It's proprietary.  I don't want to take food out of his mouth.)  But that is a powerful line.  And I recommend taking his boot camp, because what you see next will change your whole thought on this entire conversation.

My point was not to call out pornography.  As I said, I actually enjoy pornography every now and then.  My real offense is to the bad photography.
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FrancoisDeWynter Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2016
Thanks....

If you are on Deviant Art and you want to take my firm's "Boot Camp" you can take it for free. Just contact me.

The "line" is actually "Art is seeing something extraordinary in the ordinary. Pornography is rendering the extraordinary, ordinary." It isn't the subject matter, it is how you view it. Bad photography makes even an image of a flower pornographic.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
I stand corrected.  That's why they should take the boot camp from you.  :)
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Eric-S-Huffman Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
I agree with you. problem being now-a-days everyone has a cell and everyone feels the need to think they are the reincarnation of Ansel Adams ! and that being the case they take photo's of anything and everything and expect it to be perfect.
I am not a photog. so I dont know exactly what goes into each shot. However i was a DJ at a radio station and i know the amount of time effort and energy it took to put on a 4 hour radio show every week and getting everything done before hand and improvising when the demon Murphy showed up 9 the WORST thing in a radio program is to have Dead air... that KILLS!) and also what went on while songs were playing and the mic was off. So while I don't know photography i DO know that there is a lot of process that goes into getting one shot which makes every detail done to get it worth while.
Oh and BTW I live on the gulf coast of Florida 1 1/2 miles from the beach which happens to be a private nude one so I sorta "get it " too. and even with me JUST running my groups.. I get to sort thru between 2-3,000 pieces every day from all my watches just to find that 1-2% of them that I will send a request for. 95% of the rest dont get past scanning the thumbnail and the other 4% get looked at full size and then declined. I swear I see more P,T & A every day than Hugh Hefner & Larry Flynt combined yearly. And while i dont take the photo's I can see easily whats "good" or whats not and agree most are nothing more than a glorified selfie with NO prep, No light, NO focus. No concept of angles, expression ( the one thing I look for the most!0 or anything. just point and click and expect it to hang in the Louvre !
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phydeau Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
BINGO!

You and I have more in common than I thought.  When I was in college, I was a DJ for the campus radio station.  Tuesday nights, from midnight to 3.  One night, I was giving away a prize.  Nobody called in.  I don't think a single soul was listening.  :)

Pick up a camera.  You seem to have a good eye.  Give it a shot.
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Eric-S-Huffman Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
Oh someone is ALWAYS listening, but remember it isnt YOU they want to be listening to. (mostly) and only really listen when you slip and say something naughty or such and then you audience numbers in the thousands.
I am reminded of the inverse where Ballard had just found Titanic and me and a buddy were gonna devote the last hour for a impromptu talk show call in thing just to see if anyone besides us was interested in titanic. We figured we would talk and maybe take a call or two for that hour...
We had 218 calls in one hour ! we never got to do more than into the thing and every other moment was spent with callers.. it was a sheep screw to end all sheep screws and we were figuring on only maybe 3-5 calls tops....Oops...
thing is i prolly could do photo work, maybe even better than the average ( and as we discussed the average is pretty weak n lame) but my "Muse" has always been writing and as a hobby I scuba, parachute, board game and other things.. so i already have expensive hobbies, besides I am sorta impatient ( you should see me after i write something. takes me 3 times as long to edit it the way I want it as it did to write to begin with!) and i dont think I have the temperament to do all the pre n post production for photo work along with the fact that at 50 I dont have a lot of time left to learn a entirely new hobby.
I'll just leave such things to you and those others i know who have already developed the knowledge and skills ( and BTW know all those beautiful models) and just showcase what i can when i can and enjoy the fruits of thine labors.
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phydeau Featured By Owner Edited Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Fair enough.  But can I make a request that you put it on your bucket list?  Just do it once.
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snaphappy101 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
yeah, i agree, i find the photos with the women having her legs spread wide showing her genital front and center very unappealing. at least put some effort into it.
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zipmartini Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016   Photographer
At the very least, use the Golden Ratio or something... all of the images on the bottom have a dead-center placement of "subject."
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ClockworkEros Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well said!
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