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That's rough, buddy (UNDERTALE SPOILERS)

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My take on maybe why asgore did what he did. Just a character study that once it got into my head, I had to draw it out.

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Llama2314's avatar

I was gonna say that the poisoning was probably a genuine accident, until I realized that this post was nearly 5 years old.


Good comic!

IggyHazard's avatar
I like how your humans look like Caleb from 'Blood'. Also, if Gaijin Goomba's game theory is correct that Mt. Ebott is in Ireland, then the humans who banished the monsters were most likely Celtic Druids.
megakyurem4188's avatar
this is so deep and emotional
MetellaStella's avatar
Whoops, I was on mobile so must've mis-clicked something. I mean to put this comment here.

Oh. My. God. In all my musings about the conflict between Toriel and Asgore (including the possibility that the fallen kids killed monsters indiscriminately like some timelines of Frisk) I never considered that they had totally different views of Chara!! 

Also this kinda threw me off because I typically think of Undyne as born *after the death of Asriel:

docs.google.com/document/d/1Ye…
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EleonorVonCarter's avatar
Totally agree. This comic is heartwarming, but Chara wasn't a bad person. Chara wasn't bad at all. They were just a traumatized child that tried to live dealing with the sins of humanity and just failed. Chara was too good for our world, and they died trying in every way to show that they were different from the "monsters" that most of the humans, including the player, actually were and are. Everybody knows who really decided to kill all those people, and whether it was Frisk or the player, it wasn't Chara. 
juancuentas1's avatar

strongly agree with this

EleonorVonCarter's avatar
Eh, thanks. I'm happy we're not the only ones
MetellaStella's avatar
Chara was doing bad stuff way before the player entered. So, maybe they're not the PRESENT villain, but they're most certainly a past antagonist. 
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kibblebitz's avatar

Can you back that with canon evidence?

MetellaStella's avatar
Well it's very heavily implied that Chara bullied Asriel for being a "crybaby." 

And even after Asriel balked at the plan, Chara wanted to coerce him into using 'full power' even though less probably would've gotten them safely out of the situation. Chara didn't offer any sort of compromise to the bewildered Asriel. In effect, Chara's stubbornness on the issue killed them both. 

This lays out a much more detailed argument: nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/14…

And reading this reminded me that yes, Chara does actually possess Frisk to kill Flowey- the player has zero control over that action. So I rescind the more generous interpretation and substitute that yes, Chara is a current antagonist apart from the player. nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/13…
kibblebitz's avatar
Asriel admits that they were "not the greatest person" at the end of the "true pacifist" route. However, they do not act as an antagonist. They are Asriel's closest friend and his sibling, and gave monsters a lot of hope. Their hateful view of humanity was not a good thing (hate is never the right option), and their belief that crying is reserved for small children only is unhealthy. "Heavily implied" does not mean that it is a fact that Chara bullied their brother, though.
MetellaStella's avatar
Good storytelling is almost always based on subtext. The words "Chara bullied Asriel" would be TERRIBLE storytelling. And consider things inbetween. Show, don't tell, and all that jazz. Siblings can be close and still be a bully to each other. Those things are not mutually exclusive. An abuser does 'love' their significant other in that they gain comfort and human contact that they, as people, want. 
kibblebitz's avatar

Ah, those things are true.

Hahaha.. I tend to forget about whatever bad things Chara may have done. I usually just said that maybe the "wasn't the greatest person" line had something to do with the hatred they felt towards their species or Asriel previously idolizing his sibling and later admitting that they weren't perfect. I need to remember that Chara has more flaws than "hates humans." Nobody is perfect. It's easy to forget that when thinking about a character or person you like.

kibblebitz's avatar
I am aware that Chara's view on crying is not healthy, and telling Asriel that "big kids don't cry" was not right in any way. The plan (and its result) also was not good, to say the least.
Chara killing Flowey, though, does not make them an antagonist. With the player's guidance, they were led to believe that killing the monsters was what should be done. They take control for a moment to kill Sans when Frisk misses again, then kill Flowey because he is in the way. They don't lash out at Flowey (or any other monster) during any route besides Genocide, and only fight at the end due to being guided by whoever is playing.
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But think about it the other way. When they fused, Chara tried to FORCE Asriel to attack, and Asriel resisted SO MUCH that it got them both killed. Whereas all Chara needed was this big 'encouragement' and 'empowerment' from Frisk to do the same. Asriel is a protagonist. And Chara, at the very generous, is an anti-hero. 
AzulLightBulb's avatar
Expressions are great, wish they didnt make me feel so distraught though...
FoxyCyber's avatar
Ironic how a lot of people saying 'why does everyone hate Asgore?' are also saying that Chara is 100% evil with zero remedy.
kibblebitz's avatar

yep. I've always liked this comic, but the portrayal of Chara here bothers me quitw a bit..

Allclonesbride's avatar
I can't help but think that the "poisonous, despite their innocent appearance" comment was meant to partly be about Chara.
MetellaStella's avatar
Oh. My. God. In all my musings about the conflict between Toriel and Asgore (including the possibility that the fallen kids killed monsters indiscriminately like some timelines of Frisk) I never considered that they had totally different views of Chara!! 

Also this kinda threw me off because I typically think of Undyne as born *after the death of Asriel:

docs.google.com/document/d/1Ye…
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