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Folly of Non-violence by Party9999999 Folly of Non-violence by Party9999999
Do you thing the rich and powerful would willing give up their wealth and power?
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hermafrodite Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
thats why it didint work out with the holocaust the nazis didint care
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I-N-R Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Professional Photographer
Interesting with autonomous drones, which are executing target lists on the own on the horizon. Guess revolution has to rush or we live in a quasi totalitarian network of control abolishing the rule of law and the freedom of specch.

Seriously, the best way to gain independence and self rulership is the refusal to work together with and for the state and cooperations, while developing the skills to use their tools (not their infrastructure - you canīt do a revolution in an industrialized country on facebook) for your own political purposes. Then build a network of autonomous communities with an own alternative infrastructure and means of production. 

I donīt think that a violent revolution can do it, the critical mass will not be reached in the most developed countires before police starts firing at protestors. Still mass organization and alternative structures are the only sustainable way to a self determined furure. 
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namezong Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Only if your non-violence contains in itself a threat of violence.
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So you are willing to take covetousness another step further, and with violence.

Why the fuck aren't you in jail yet?
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Because he is free to say what he pleases.

I think what he says is hogwash, dangerous and foolish, but if I thought for an instant that taking a bullet to the chest would keep him and others free to express themselves, I would take that bullet.

We can't pick and choose what free speech we'll tolerate.

This bilge he's foaming out? It's bad, but he hasn't yelled 'FIRE!' in a crowded building. Not yet, anyway. >_>
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We should all be grateful that he doesn't actually have the balls to carry out what he demands everyone else do.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I never assume, but given his behavior here, it wouldn't surprise me.
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jayvt3 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014
you need to go back to school and relearn your basic grammatical skills
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ZS3 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014
Violence should only be used as a final resort or if ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. It is better to fight through direct action and intrigue.
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iMaksim Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014
Communism is an ideology built on hate, envy, and feelings of inferiority, which is why it attracts so many thugs and criminals. It is falsely sold as an answer to inequality. The only answer to inequality is economic freedom.

You want what I've got, well then come and get it... I dare ya.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Amen.

And that's how they console themselves, iMaksim. They turn all of us into monsters, wealthy or not, to slay.

The first step to oppression/slavery/'cleansing'/etc: The notion that those you wish to oppress are less than human.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And here we get to the core problem I have with *anyone* who wants things to change.

You have zero empathy, pal. Most of the ambiguously defined rich earned every cent through hard work and dedication.

Then some punks say they want to make everyone equally miserable by spreading the wealth around, mowing down neighborhoods to build identical apartment towers because anything else wouldn't be fair, I.E having one person living in a house while another lives in an apartment.

But worst of all, the assumption that wealth and power alone equals a lack of conscience. I hate most politicians. Anything above mayor or city council and I can count on two hands which ones I don't hate. But I am not so blind as to think even people like Obama have no conscience. The man, in all fairness, is simply doing what he thinks is right.

To listen to you, you'd think that as soon as you reached a certain net-worth, you enter a state of sociopathy. That is simply untrue. And you damned well know it.

It's a hell of a lot easier to tear someone's life apart (If not take someone's life entirely) if you dehumanize them first, isn't it?
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Party9999999 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014

I don't care if you have a problem with me. the only important thing is to change the world.

I could count the number of people who earned their massive fortunes on one hand and still have fingers left over.

I have empathy, that's why I believe what I do. I wish to change the world. It those who make billions off the suffering and exploitation of millions of workers who lack empathy my friend.
The problem isn't one person having a house and one person having a flat. The problem is a person owning multiple mansions while millions have to live in slums or on the street.

Look at the wealthily throughout history from the senatorial oligarchy of ancient Rome to the Pre-revolutionary French nobility to todays capitalist class. time and time they have proven not care about the needs of the working people, only for their class interests.  it not blind hate, it is historic fact.
Shame Obama's conscience hasn't stop him from murdering untold hundreds of civilians in drone strikes.  

KKK members are human, the Black Hundreds were human. South American death squads are humans, are you going to say they shouldn't be torn down because that would be "dehumanising".  

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Zalin-Fox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014
Those wealthy that so ruin the working class...

You mean like...

Bill Gates, who changed the world and made computers something everyone can own, using them to share incredible amounts of information, so much so that this age has been referred to as the Information Age?
Steve Jobs, who first invented a computer for the average person and would later revolutionize the digital world by turning smartphones into something the common person can have for relatively little?
Sam Walton, whose genius in store management turned the retail world on its head, forcing retailers to find ways to cut prices, dropping the prices of retail goods across the spectrum?
Mark Zuckerberg, who connected the world with Facebook, allowing people to share their thoughts and opinions in realtime, all free of charge?
Larry Page, who founded Google and completely rewrote the book on the Internet and its capabilities, and continues to provide numerous services, free of charge?
Jeff Bezos, who founded Amazon and made books a readily available item to everyone and creating eCommerce as we know it?

Or if we start moving back in history:
Henry Ford, who made the car a standard item for every American?
John D Rockefeller, who turned Oil into a cheap commodity, able to provide efficient heating and lighting to millions of Americans?
Andrew Carnegie, who invented the modern process or steel making, enabling the construction of the modern world?
J. P. Morgan, whose efforts were the driving force behind the rapid progress of technology in the realms of Electricity and Steel?
Thomas Edison, whose inventions revolutionized the world, creating the first effective light bulb and bringing electricity to millions of homes?

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zoommerfish Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
John D Rockafeller who publicly stated that his intention was to destory America?
Andrew Carnegie who while a good man tried to push in the idea of trsts and in so doing monopolies?
Henry Ford who made cheap cars at the cost of wages and who used strike breakers at every chance? And who later helped the Nazis and supported their view on the "jewish problem"?
Thomas Edison who stole his ideas from other scientists leaving them to die unknown and penniless while making millions off of inventions not of his own making.
Steve Jobs who's original working conditions were at the level of Asian sweatshops (and still are in some places).
Mark Zuckerber created Facebook and it happned to catch on, Face book has gone from revolutionary to obsolete and dangerous in less than a decade.
There are countless other wealthy people I could name who didn;t help at all, not even superficially like these people did.
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Zalin-Fox Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016
Ah man, that necromancy. But okay, I'll bite.

On Rockefeller, do you have sources to back that?

Andrew Carnegie was a man of his era, I cannot doubt that. But to dismiss the amazing revolution he ushered in because he was also an aggressive businessman?

Henry Ford's goal was to make cars at a wage his employees could afford. His philosophy was that any of his workers should be able to afford the products they made. And yeah... There are a lot of people in history we'd have to expunge from the books if we took out every person who has ever attacked the Jewish people >_< Ford is unfortunately still a product of his time.

Yes, a handful of Edison inventions were not his own and have very questionable origins. But the majority of his achievements definitely belonged to him. And inventors like Tesla were generally their own undoing. Tesla was a god awful businessman.

Yes, Apple Inc is a high stress environment... But it also pays pretty freaking good.

How is Facebook obsolete and how the Hell is it dangerous? How is the ability to communicate with one another dangerous?
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zoommerfish Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I do not deny that Andrew was revolutionary, I admitted previously he was a good-hearte man who made hismself into who he was thorugh his own work. However his practises were too agressive in some ways that violate human rights and ushered in an era of monopolies and robber barons smashed by Teddy Roosevelt only to re-form as the private Fed under Rothschild and ORckafeller

Edison, a handful? He was an arrogant man who electrocuted puppies trying to prove that DC was better than AC. 

here is a list of the most famous of his many stolen inventions

1. The Electric Bulb or Incandescent Lamp
2. The Electric Chair
3. The Movie Camera
4. The Power Generator
5. X-Ray Photographs (fluoroscope)
6. The Storage Battery
7. The Record Player
8. Wax Paper
9. The Telegraph
10)

Rockafeller, Boy oh Boy; TH eguy si a robber baron that

Apple Inc. Pays good when its in a country that wouldn't allow a bad price

Twitter, and half a dozen other communication systems exist that are more effective. As for dangerous;

Facebook has been at the center of several recent controversies that are increasingly leaving users disillusioned and in search of alternatives. At the center of these controversies is Facebook’s “news feed” feature. Ideally, news feed would work by showing on your timeline updates from those individuals and organizations you follow. There are two options for news feed – “most recent” and “top stories.” Facebook has decided to upend this feature by insidiously controlling what appears on your news feed regardless of which option you select.

Now, you will no longer receive regular updates from accounts you follow, and instead will see a “filtered” version determined by Facebook’s algorithms. Many Facebook users are unaware of this fact and are perplexed as to why they are no longer receiving regular updates from accounts they follow.

Facebook’s own explanation as to why they’ve implemented this policy is as follows:

Rather than showing people all possible content, News Feed is designed to show each person on Facebook the content that’s most relevant to them. Of the 1,500+ stories a person might see whenever they log onto Facebook, News Feed displays approximately 300. To choose which stories to show, News Feed ranks each possible story (from more to less important) by looking at thousands of factors relative to each person.

Facebook’s real motivation is more likely a combination of implementing soft-censorship and an effort to monetize news feeds by forcing content makers to pay in order to access people already following them. What’s left is wealthy content makers like large corporate media outfits monopolizing the public’s attention whether the public wants it or not.

News feed has also been used in at least two involuntary social engineering experiments where the news feeds of users were manipulated without their knowledge to influence them psychologically. In the most recently exposed experiment, Facebook manipulated the news feed of some 2 million Americans in 2012 in order to increase public participation during that year’s US presidential election.-

In 2013, Facebook would again manipulate news feeds of unwitting users to influence them psychologically. A report published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS) titled, “Experimental evidence of massive-scale emotional contagion through social networks,” stated in its abstract that:

We show, via a massive (N = 689,003) experiment on Facebook, that emotional states can be transferred to others via emotional contagion, leading people to experience the same emotions without their awareness. We provide experimental evidence that emotional contagion occurs without direct interaction between people (exposure to a friend expressing an emotion is sufficient), and in the complete absence of nonverbal cues.Not only are the findings troubling – illustrating that Facebook possesses the ability to influence the emotions of its users unwittingly through careful manipulation of their news feeds – but the invasive, unethical methods by which Facebook conducted the experiment are troubling as well.

Those involved in the experiment were neither notified before nor after the experiment was conducted, and along with news feed manipulation during the 2012 election, it appears Facebook sees the news feed feature in terms of influencing people as Facebook and its clients see fit rather than the feature being used to inform users as they themselves see fit.

 
Ford's success nitially was fine but he then started repressing workers rights, and I don't just mean that he was an antisemetic he supported the Nazis actively along with GM Texaco Oil etc. his sucess has nothign to do with him as a person.
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Young-stoaty-chap Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Steve Jobs had people committing suicide in the workplace, the conditions were so bad. Definitely not a friend of the working class. 
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Zalin-Fox Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
I assume you speak of Foxxconn? China is a touchy issue... Heres the problem: Their government put their people in that position. The government's reckless drive to increase manufacturing at whatever cost has created the deplorable conditions they have now. It is hardly Steve Jobs fault that the Chinese government created economic conditions across the world that have forced the world to turn to China for its manufacturing needs.
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Young-stoaty-chap Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I see. Perhaps I was a little harsh on Steve Jobs. 
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Zalin-Fox Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
Don't get me wrong, Steve Jobs is hardly a saint and has left a legacy that could do more harm than good to everything he started (Leaving his company with the last words essentially being "Destroy Google, Samsung and LG at all costs")... But ya, the current problems with the factory workers in China, that is the fault of their leadership. In order for China to maintain its dominance in manufacturing, they need dirt cheap labor, they need to cut costs wherever possible. The moment they stop, the more advanced industrial sectors in the developed world can start competing on price again, and American made vs Chinese made, is there really any question which one is going to do better, when the price is the same?
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Young-stoaty-chap Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, my problem is that people sometimes seem to think that Steve Jobs was a saint. I mean look at that awful movie that came out about him. I didn't know a great deal about the workers committing suicide in China, that may have been a bad example. BUt I still don't think he was a very good man. But he was quite smart, I'll give him that. 
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Are you... honestly comparing people who happen to be wealthy to the KKK and death squads...?

My father's income is right in the middle of the middle class. He has never stepped on toes to earn his money for his family. He's 67 and still working.

And yeah, Obama's a bastard, but I don't think you're getting what I'm saying...

You're trying to compare people who are simply wealthy for whatever reason (Most of whom provide you with goods and services at prices well within your reach >_>) to monsters to console your envy and bloodthirst.
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Party9999999 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014

Remember much of the first Klan was made up of confederate veterans many of whom made untold fortunes from slavery and most death squads are controlled by wealthily backers.

The middle class count for nothing, they are still proletariat or at the very most petite bourgeoisie. they still have to sell their own labour rather than us the labour of others.

I get what your saying I just disagree.

I don't compare, most of the time they are one and the same.

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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I don't think you actually understand how a lot of corporate executives work.

It's because, and I may be shooting in the dark here, your knowledge of how big companies are run is limited to what you've seen on TV shows and movies.

And if that's the case, then that's fine! But I think I'd be *SLIGHTLY* more comfortable if you condemned an entire demographic of people for indiscriminate, mass execution based on something a little more comprehensive than seeing how a notedly Left-leaning media says that demographic live and work.

Oh, and if this opinion of yours is based on that bloated gasbag Michael Moore saying that 'Rich People' could pay off the national debt and there'd be plenty to spread around to everybody, then firstly, SHAME on you, and secondly, check this out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLiypw… and while you're at it... www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f6FZG… might help too.

You've had one noise screaming in your ear for most of your life and your perceptions have been painted thusly.
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Party9999999 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014

They use the labour of others to achieve their fortunes.

I spend time reading on the subject and while we're here I would guess most of knowledge of Communists is based on Cold Warrior ramblings.

Revolution is a about removing the ruling class from power and keeping them from taking it back. This something they won't allow without a long and bloody fight, Just look at the American or French Revolutions.
The media is owned by the capitalist class with the with the expectation of a few smaller ones. Almost all News outlet have a more or less rightist and pro-establishment in their outlook and reporting.

Lee Doren oh please. "Hear the news and learn what the experts are not telling you." said everything about the guy.
Shame me all you like, it won't change the fact that the capitalist class have between 21 and 32 trillion in capital hidden over seas, even if they lost 90% of their wealth they would still have more money than they could spend in a lifetime and more than ether of us could earn in a lifetime of honest labour.

Despite what you say that isn't the case, there was a time when I had many fairly centre right views, These views changed as I learned more and came to different opinions. You're just pissed off that I have a different world view and that I won't be cowered like some Liberal.

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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
WHERE IS THE PROOF?
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Party9999999 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
I've found proof, you want it go find itself.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And now perhaps you can understand why government will always be at odds with the common people--unless you seriously think a communist government will fare any better. Considering how past and current communist governments have operated, that doesn't seem likely.
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Emilion-3 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
You must totally exhaust the non-violent option.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I like this one. 
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Figures. It's easier to destroy someone after you dehumanize them.

'Jews are money-grubbing parasites, let's kill them.'

'Farmers are hoarding all the food, let's kill them.'

'Wealthy people who didn't play ball with our ripping apart of the economy are trying to leave the country, let's kill them.'

'It's been brought to my attention by reporters that my own people are cannibalizing their children because of the terrible conditions my Communistic country has placed them under, let's kill the reporters.'

So easy to bring ruin if you conveniently forget that they're people too, huh?
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ZS3 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014
It is all too easy to forget the opponent's mutual humanity in the hatred born from conflict.

But there are some who, despite being fellow Homo Sapiens, have unrepentantly surrendered and abandoned all semblance of humanity and even rudimentary decency.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
But what P9 is saying is that at some point, when you begin to make a certain amount of money, your humanity is sucked out of you like a vacuum and you become an evil, heartless monster.

That is simply not so.
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ZS3 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
I realize that, but there's a difference between making money through hard work and making money off of fucking everyone and everything else over.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, certainly, but to listen to this P9 guy, you'd assume *everyone* over a certain, arbitrary income bracket got their funds by ill means. It's generalism and class warfare not for the sake of overturning which rich are witch, but instead for branding them all witches and putting them to the pyre.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
It's hard to dehumanize someone who is hardly human at all; a chronic liar and sociopath who never developed the power of empathy. 

Nah, I'm less of a kill the Jews guy and more of a kill Hitler guy. Or Kill Saddam, or whatever. 

Ah, let's not kill reporters, only fox news guys, they're not really journalists. 
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Ahh, yes. Let's kill people with opposing viewpoints who say mean things Obamassiah and The Left in general.

Boy howdy am I glad you're not in charge or ever will be! ^_^
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
What can I say? 

I'm sick of turning the other cheek to people who have no empathy or humanity. 

The right wing has gotten too bold, too racist and too fucked up. They need to be reminded that the first amendment isn't just for the right wing. 
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
...

Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid you just soun-No, of course not.

Show me where your dear Hillary 'What difference at this point does the deaths of four Americans who should have been under my protection but were denied it make?!?!' Clinton's 'vast right wing conspiracy' is and I'll show you a paranoid.
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mobile707 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2014
A very true statement.

Many people have pointed out that Gandhi's advice to the Jews in WWII (go meekly into the ovens) failed to take this truth into account.
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Robo-Diglet Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014
And that's why occupy failed...
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zeraful Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Hobbyist
Here we goes with the "USSR, PRC, North Korea are communism, and fuck anyone who say otherwise" again...
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014
Is that why communism tolerates no opposition, even from the people it claims to support (ie, Hungary)?
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Emilion-3 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
It depends on the individual person.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Last I checked rich and powerful people doe still have a conscience
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ZS3 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014
Tell that to the Koch Brothers. I am totally convinced that they were born from the womb of Lamashtu.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Right, because providing a service for people to make a profit is pure evil right? Far worse than siezing power in a country, executing all your political rivals, and forcing involuntary collectivism that results in millions of deaths on your citizens.
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ZS3 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014
...You just don't get it, do you?
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Get what? That the Koch Brothers aren't human beings that can think and reason? Or that the Koch Brothers are spawns of Satan? What's your point?
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