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So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, 
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

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DeanJohnsonArtStudio Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
This is a great way to visualize the passage. Very clever!
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Parastos Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hah, actually, I saw it somewhere else, I just drew it in my own style. I tried to find the original, but couldn't; if I do, I'll post it here. :-)
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DeanJohnsonArtStudio Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
It's always interesting finding out the inspiration behind someone's art. Thanks!
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BreathingBananas Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've read this verse many times, including many of the other ones you've drawn too...
And I just...

Mmm.
I'm going to kind of re-hash what i've been saying to almost every Christian I meet.


Why is the snake in the wrong?

Let me spell it out for you.

God said "If you eat from this tree you will surely die."
That was a lie. Eve was walking, a snake told her THE TRUTH and said "It will not make you die, and it will give you knowledge."
Which was true, it did give them knowledge and they did not die.
God got angry, though he is supposed to be all knowing so he should have known giving two humans who are pretty much retarded (Since he didn't WANT them to get knowledge anyway. He wanted us to just be mindless slaves to obey him with.) so punished EVERY human into being in pain during childbirth and for a man to work day and night.

If you put a cookie infront of a kid and say 'don't eat this' and then leave, you know they will eat it. But will you tell that child to go stand outside in the heat until they dehydrate? No. They didn't know any better.

Adam and Eve (or at this point in the Bible just 'the woman') didn't KNOW any better. They had no idea right from wrong, which is why the 'original sin' is so stupid. We are smarter now, therefore that's a sin?


Also, why would they be ashamed of being naked if they were smarter? It isn't that we are smart that we cover up. It's because climate, culture, society, the way we evolved... There are still many cultures to this day where showing everything is not that bad. While other places just showing a wrist can get you killed. Who is smarter?
Neither.



Already, now to the snake. 
Why the FUCK is Satan even there? God created EVERYTHING right? So why even MAKE Satan. Why even ALLOW him to become a snake. Why even PUT a tree of knowledge and good and evil. Why DO THIS.

Where this was written, and by the man who wrote this, it was clear women were afraid of snakes. He wanted a reason for that so he made one up.

Also, snakes don't dust. Snakes are actually smarter than Adam and Eve were at this point in time. I can tell you if you snuggle a snake they will snuggle back and show you thanks. That's more than these losers probably could.
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Parastos Featured By Owner Edited Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Okay, you raised many questions, all of which have been answered by the Fathers of the Centuries 15 centuries prior. In short, the story is symbolic, portraying spiritual realities by means of symbols. Let me expand on that.

God said "If you eat from this tree you will surely die."
That was a lie. Eve was walking, a snake told her THE TRUTH and said "It will not make you die, and it will give you knowledge."
Which was true, it did give them knowledge and they did not die.
God got angry, though he is supposed to be all knowing so he should have known giving two humans who are pretty much retarded (Since he didn't WANT them to get knowledge anyway. He wanted us to just be mindless slaves to obey him with.) so punished EVERY human into being in pain during childbirth and for a man to work day and night.
Couple of things here. First of all - God was right. Adam and Eve became mortal. It didn't mean that they would drop dead on the spot, it meant that they would lose the immortality that they would have gained if they remained in communion with God. The fruit itself is practically meaningless; it is the breaking of the commandment of God that turned them mortal. Furthermore, it wasn't the fruit that made them cursed; not even the breaking of God's commandment, but the blame game they played afterwards. Adam blamed Eve and God, Eve blamed the snake, no one said: "Forgive me, Lord, I did as You say," no, they all blamed someone else. Also, Adam and Eve knew that they shouldn't disobey God, and had a clear warning of what would happen if they did disobey Him. They weren't mindless slaves - if they were, not only they wouldn't break God's commandment, they wouldn't have the option to break it at all. That is why the Tree was there - to manifest that our union with God, ultimately, depends on our free choice, not what God imposes upon us. 

They had no idea right from wrong, which is why the 'original sin' is so stupid. We are smarter now, therefore that's a sin?
Notice that it's not just a tree of knowledge, it is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowledge and intelligence and being smart are good things. Their abuse isn't. Adam and Eve were smarter before they ate of the Tree. What brings greater knowledge - communion with God or communion with limited, perishable fruit God has created?

Also, why would they be ashamed of being naked if they were smarter?
Again, that is a literalist reading of the story. Ancient commentators see it in a different light - they were ashamed because they turned their gaze from God to themselves. They became self-centered and that is why they felt shame. 

Why the FUCK is Satan even there? 
Why not? He is a spirit, he can go anywhere he pleases.

God created EVERYTHING right? So why even MAKE Satan.
God didn't create Satan to be evil. He allows even evil people to become evil. God makes some creatures to love Him always (like cats and leeches) and others (angels and humans) He gives a free choice to do so. Satan didn't make a good choice.

Why even ALLOW him to become a snake.
Serpent symbolizes the devil because it slithers along the ground, which is a good description of what the devil is trying to do: to bind us to the ground whereas we should be looking heavenwards. In popular mind, a snake is a vile creature who slithers along the ground, who injects dangerous venom via its bite (sin) that will kill you unless treated. A fitting form for Satan to take - and precisely why he probably wasn't allowed to take the form of a bunny, dove or a kitten.

Where this was written, and by the man who wrote this, it was clear women were afraid of snakes. He wanted a reason for that so he made one up.
Fear of snakes is pretty much universal. Whether that fear turns to hate or reverence is pretty much dependent on a specific culture. This verse is a prophecy of the Incarnation:

And I will put enmity
between you and the woman, (Virgin Mary)
and between your offspring (demons) and hers; (Jesus)
he will crush your head, (He will defeat you)
and you will strike his heel.” (You will cause His crucifixion)

Also, snakes don't dust.
Snake 'slithering across the ground' is a reference for demons being expelled from God's presence (as seen in the Revelation). The same refers to it eating dust; they denied are denied basking in the glory of God.

Snakes are actually smarter than Adam and Eve were at this point in time. I can tell you if you snuggle a snake they will snuggle back and show you thanks. That's more than these losers probably could.
The Bible has a lot of good things to say about the snakes. The brazen snake Moses erected in the desert is a foreshadowing of Christ's death on the cross, not to say anything of the 'be harmless as the doves and wise as serpents' - you'll notice that, in the drawing, it is an actual serpent without a black halo, whereas I always illustrate the devil as a black, two dimensional shadow of a snake with a black halo (tho I draw demons in other forms). The croziers of Orthodox bishops traditionally have two snakes intertwined with the cross.

Be harmless as doves and wise as serpents drawing: scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v…

And one final remark: if you grab a snake in the wild and try to 'snuggle' with it, it will show you thanks by biting you, possibly even poisoning you. If you snuggle a snake that snuggles you back - well, that snake was in human company since it hatched. 
Adam and Eve never did anything wrong with the snake, they 'snuggled it' (listened to it) and it repaid by causing the precise thing God said would happen if they did so. 
In short, the snake is a major jerk.
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BreathingBananas Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also, snakes don't have poison. They have venom.


And don't go and hug a fucking wild ass snake I was talking about bull snakes, corn snakes, garter snakes. Go into your backyard and lay down. They won't mind being held if you hold it right and may even nap on you.
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Parastos Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So you have choices but loving him is the only good one or you'll burn...
Do you get angry at the hospitals because, if you get cancer, you'll die if you don't get diagnosis, screening and treatment? I don't think so.

If this is all symbolism WHY believe it. Why bot just use the stories morals rather than believe they actually happened.
Because it is not just morals. This story is basically about why are we separated from God. Morals don't gets us closer to God - they are something that goes hand in hand with good relationship with God, but is not an end by itself. Morals can't save you from death, sin and evil, only God can do that, and that is why this story isn't a fable, but a symbol.

I can like Harry Potter and not believe it happened.
Harry Potter is an epic story but it doesn't tell you how to improve your shattered relationship with God - or why that relationship was broken in the first place. That is the major difference between the Bible and Harry Potter series.

Also, snakes don't have poison. They have venom.
I never said they have poison.

And don't go and hug a fucking wild ass snake
When someone says 'a snake' I generally don't think of a nice cuddly snake with a bow tie on its cute pink head with heart patterns on its belly. A snake is usually a wild animal and not snuggle friendly. This is especially true before the pet craze and zoos. 
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BreathingBananas Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I have a cancer and I don't get diagnosed and treatment then yeah fuck that hospital not doing their job.
What kind of question is that? If I get cancer I'm hoping they help me.

And no. God doesn't save me from shit. pretty sure if I don't murder people and shit, I'm still gonna die like everyone else. Doesn't mean I'm gonna do them. I don't need god telling me that.


The bible doesn't tell me how to be good with god. It doesn't even tell me if he exists. Its just a story.



I never had a relationship with God. Despite Christians who believe God finger poped their assholes, I went to a Christian preschool . It was terrifying. Kids don't question it, they just accept it, and thry use that to shove their beliefs into it.
I went because my parents wanted me to close what to believe.
I believed in Santa, now I don't. I learned that sometimes I have to figure things out and use common sense. That my parent's won't always tell me truth from fiction.

Instead you just get them while they are young and say Yes he's real. They won't question it cause they are young.


If God existed, he is the biggest egotistical asshole ever and does not deserve my worship.


And yes you did. You said a snake will poison me. No, they will give me a bite that is venomous. Different.
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Parastos Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I said you will get poisoned. That is a state of having a poison or venom in your body. A lot of professional literature uses it (as opposed to the toxic matter itself, which may be venom or poison, depending on how it enters the organism.
As for other concerns, I can sorta respond to them, but there is no point. You clearly do not believe in God, but for this or that reason you feel called to argue over a (in your mind, at least) non-existent entity, which is a supreme waste of time. 
Also, in a more particular fashion, it is a waste of time to argue over something when we both know we won't come to the position of the other debater. 
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BreathingBananas Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's not a waste of time. Just because a character isn't real doesn't mean you can't talk about it.
I love Cole from Dragon age. But he isn't real. And I can admit that and not pretend he'll see me after I die.
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Parastos Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, but of course you can talk about it - I'm not saying it's forbidden. :)
It is just that I don't have a lot of free time on my hands, that Bible's not going to draw itself, and while I'd really love to debate, it is beyond the scope of my available time. :)
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BreathingBananas Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So you have choices but loving him is the only good one or you'll burn...


If this is all symbolism WHY believe it. Why bot just use the stories morals rather than believe they actually happened.


All of that just sounded like someone making up something to fit it.
Like a story.

I can like Harry Potter and not believe it happened.


The bible is a set of stories that some man wrote to give people morals.

People we're stupid enough to believe there's stories we're true.


It's actually kind of disgusting.
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Angelic-Blossoms Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016
See it's stuff like this on why snakes are feared and hated.
Though I never understood that..if Satan just took on the FORM of a snake..why did God punish all snakes for something one bad person did. A snake wasn't even the one that deceived Adam and Eve..Satan did in the FORM of a snake.

And to also be fair, snakes DO have legs..they're just super tiny and are under the skin.
Also snakes don't eat dust, they're VERY great predators, ancient species even more considering how large they were.
Also there are much lower life forms than snakes..like ya' know..insects, bacteria, ect. 
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Parastos Featured By Owner Edited Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Okay, a couple of things here.
First of all, serpent symbolizes the devil because it slithers along the ground, which is a good description of what the devil is trying to do: to bind us to the ground whereas we should be looking towards heaven.
Second, God did not punish all the snakes - he punished the devil and his angels. Snake 'slithering across the ground' is a reference for demons being expelled from God's presence (as seen in the Revelation). The same refers to it eating dust; denied are denied basking in the glory of God.
Third, snakes are feared and hated because of their venom. If you believe that God inspired Genesis, then you'll hate the devil, not snakes. If you don't believe God inspired Genesis, it is clear that the serpent story is inspired by man's fear of snakes, not vice versa.
And finally, the Bible has a lot of good things to say about the snakes. The brazen snake Moses erected in the desert is a foreshadowing of Christ's death on the cross, not to say anything of the 'be harmless as the doves and wise as serpents' - you'll notice that, in the drawing, it is an actual serpent without a black halo, whereas I always illustrate the devil as a black, two dimensional shadow of a snake with a black halo (tho I draw demons in other forms). The croziers of Orthodox bishops traditionally have two snakes intertwined with the cross.

Doves and snakes verse: scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v…
Crozier of an Orthodox patriarch: thetalkingpot.files.wordpress.…
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Angelic-Blossoms Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016
Ye' but snakes don't 'slither' they crawl, and if to bind us to the ground..shouldn't God have used a more ground dwelling animal..I dunno maybe a mole or another species that lives within the ground. Snakes not only crawl..but they are also very great climbers and swimmers...so they aren't really 100% on the ground. 

Also not all snakes have venom, species like the constrictors, garter snakes, etc..no venom. Heck some snakes are so harmless that they are in more of a danger than humans.

And doves on their own can be pretty harmful..as they are just albino pigeons..which carry loads and loads of diseases and problems. Though snakes are pretty intelligent. 

I dunno, these Bible stories just don't make much sense. Seems all pretty man made construction. 
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Parastos Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
slither
ˈslɪðə/
verb
  1. 1.
    move smoothly over a surface with a twisting or oscillating motion.
    "I spied a baby adder slithering away"
So, they slither. Crawling is something similar, but slithering is a special term - things that slither also crawl, but things that crawl don't (and usually don't) slither. A toddler crawls, it doesn't slither.
If God chose moles, then you'd complain why He chose moles. Also, moles are harmless to humans by themselves.
Not all snakes have venoms, but those who live in the area where Genesis is written do.
Dove is a being that simply flees from humans, and that is why it is used as a positive symbol. They can have bacteria and diseases, as all animals (humans included) do.
Bible stories make sense, you are just taking the metaphors too far. If you use that sort of interpretation, there is absolutely no room for poetic language. To most people it is absolutely clear why the serpent is chosen as the symbol for Satan.
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Angelic-Blossoms Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016
But things like moles make more sense..or heck even a rat..or a slug..as rats do pose a huge danger to humans, are low life and have always represented not to great things. Slugs for the whole metaphoric thing. Just don't see a snake as a likely choice. 

Assuming Genesis takes place probably in the Middle East as that's where Bible tales originate from..they're non venomous snakes out there as well. Lot of notable different species around that area aren't venomous. A lot of animals flee from humans, pose no threat to humans and are as seen as a species of peace and purity..why pick a diseased ridden bird? What kind of snake was Satan, a Cobra? Some kind of Viper? I'm assuming it has to be a species native to the area. 

Bible stories don't make much sense, and sure yes I do view them from a logical standpoint. But I feel I must considering people believe these stories to be true..rather than fabric of imagination..where the metaphor excuse would be more relevant. It's like if I tried to tell you that leprechauns and fairies existed, pulled out a 'holy' text that has stories surrounding them..but said book was riddled with contradictions and metaphors...You know by logic and just simple understanding that those things do not exist.

But I sit there and insist they do exist by pulling out examples and verse out from my book. Why is Bigfoot any different than Angels. Why is God held higher than some other clear creation of human kind. Heck what about other Gods..like Zeus or something..why is he less likely (along with his text and stories) to be believed and real than God himself. Osiris..the being God was clearly ripped from?

Sorry to tangent and I don't meant much harm..I'm just trying to get an understanding on why people believe this stuff to be real. Even as a poet and writer myself, literature has to have a stand point of logic in it..so despite the pretty words and heavy tales..there's some understanding there. Not just a bunch of nonsensical writing thrown together in hopes people will get it.

That's called bad literature. 

My signature example clearly details the idea of rape and protecting one from it. It's a poem laced with pretty words and metaphors.
But still very clear in it's message. 
God's message isn't very clear, nor is it very poetic. 

Thanks for trying to help regardless though. 
I hope your mission is successful. 
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Parastos Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You know, I can respond to those objections you've raised, but there would be not much point. Whatever I say won't make you a believer, You simply don't believe in God (or, at the very least, that the Bible is inspired), and I'm really not into lengthy discussions that only lead to waste of time, both from your and from my side. :) We can go back and forth forever but neither of us really wants to do that.
Thank you for raising your objections, though. :-)
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Angelic-Blossoms Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016
That's fine, I'm not looking much for an argument. But I do enjoy discussions on this subject for my own personal understanding. Thank you for your answers regardless. It is true I am not a believer of God. I used to be..but not anymore.

Apologies if I made you any uncomfortable within any manner.
Please have a pleasant evening.
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Parastos Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh lol, you didn't make me uncomfortable, you were quite civil, and that is something I always respect.
I'm just an utilitarian, and don't have much time - otherwise, I could discuss whole day, sadly, I sorely lack free time... that Bible's not gonna draw itself. :D
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