But what they're NOT doing, unfortunately, is realizing how rare someone with these particular talents can be.
To those who are "seeking artists", let me ask you; How many people do you know, personally, with the talent and skill to perform the services you need? A dozen? Five? One? none?
More than likely, you don't know any. Otherwise, you wouldn't be posting on here to find them.
And this is not really a surprise.
In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators. There are eleven times as many certified mechanics. There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.
So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free? Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?
Would you offer a neurosurgeon the "opportunity" to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor? (Maybe you could offer him "a few bucks" for "materials". What a deal!)
Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?
If you answered "yes" to ANY of the above, you're obviously insane. If you answered "no", then kudos to you for living in the real world.
But then tell me why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?
Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person. In short, it makes you look like a twit.
A few things you need to know;
1. It is not a "great opportunity" for an artist to have his work seen on your car/'zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a "great opportunity" for YOU to have their work there.
2. It is not clever to seek a "student" or "beginner" in an attempt to get work for free. It's ignorant and insulting. They may be "students", but that does not mean they don't deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a "student" once, too. Would you have taken that job at McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.
3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen by other people, whether it's one or one million, is NOT a valid enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their "portfolio". They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should. It's not compensation. It's their right, and it's a given.
4. Stop thinking that you're giving them some great chance to work. Once they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them. There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who possess these skills.
5. Students DO need "experience". But they do NOT need to get it by giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the "experience" they got while nailing down a loose step at their grandmother's house when they were seventeen?
If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it would be able to pay for the services it received. The only experience they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.
6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.) Some will ask you to "submit work for consideration". They may even be posing as some sort of "contest". These are almost always scams. They will take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the "contest", or be "chosen" for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own, reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it, and claim it as their own. You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who run these ads. This is speculative, or "spec", work. It's risky at best, and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely.
So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay you. Whether they are "spec" gigs, or just some guy who wants a free mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them. Say NO to free art.
And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free. please wake up and join the real world. The only thing you're accomplishing is to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue.
If you agree with the above important information, please pass it along. The more people know, the faster we can correct this.
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I was thinking for years that they don't realize the real value of art.
But now I believe what really happens is exactly the opposite : They KNOW what they are asking has a special value. But they want to underestimate it but trying their best to have for free. Arrogant and disrespectful to the time, effort and soul any artist puts in his work.
And even more, giving Art for free, makes it have no value. It's like you give napkins...
I could talk endlessly for this but this post says it all.
I don't know but sometimes this disapoints me so much that I want to stop creating. Obviously I don't draw for money (if I did I would have stopped years ago) but feeling that people sometimes dont value my work as they should makes me feel so bad... I guess every artist can feel me.
p.s. Once I created a video about that... So I m posting it here too
But free art is a good thing to give away at times. I am not the best at drawing nor am I the worst, but I acknowledge that I need practice. I give free art or join the contests people run on here to do so. No, I don’t believe I will win anything, it may be a scam, and if it is: I knew the risk. I took that risk. I got to practice and I improved.
When I feel like I’m good enough, when I feel like I am amazing enough to start commissions (if the interest is there) I will start, but I’m the mean time I am mediocre and will practice by doing those things because it is good experience.
It is a good way to practice. If you draw something or someone you haven’t drawn before, it is good practice. It’s why free art can help certain people, but asking for it when it is not offered by extremely talented people is definitely not something you should do. People who are offering it? Go ahead and ask. People who are not? Don’t even try.
Dude, some people don't care all about the money. Maybe they like giving people stuff, whether their art is good or bad. I myself know how hard it is to get points or money on here so I don't mind offering to do free art. I'm not even that great of an artist.
Like dude shhhh
Don't be like that.
Some people do things for free
some do it with pay.
Some people do work for free and it looks horrible
Some people do work for free and it looks great!
But it's not big of enough deal for you to go on and rant about how no one should accept free art.
I like doing free art or art trades.
Not a big deal.
- Can you guide me with this....commission description thing, how to put this up in my profile ? It asks...
- Commission Title must be between 4 and 80 characters
- Commission Description must be between 10 and 10,000 characters
I'm not the best artist currently, but I have hopes and I'm studying and striving to become better at cartooning and being an illustrator, and when I do become good at my work and I'm known throughout a nice handful of people I will ALWAYS offer free work to those who are unable to afford it. I'm in that boat right now, I'm unable to afford the nicer works of the fine artists here, which is why I do things myself even without the great skill I see every day.
At one point you mention this:
"They may be "students", but that does not mean they don't deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a "student" once, too."
Let me just say that I'm not against paying beginners for their work. Sometimes they honest to God deserve that pay, but I don't think beginners should put a price tag on their work when they become noticed. I feel like they should slowly ease their way into doing that. Imagine having somebody who is unable to afford work and can't draw at all come to you and ask you for some free work. It could be the simplest request, are you going to deny that man or woman's request all because they couldn't afford the slightest thing? Now let's go back to a time when you couldn't draw and didn't have the cash to pay for work and you went to somebody for a request and YOU were turned down. Didn't feel so good when you were denied, now did it? What right do you have to deny your customer who's probably a big fan of your work his free request?
It's the people who make others pay for their work who build and create an ego and get a big head from doing what they do. They tend to forget their beginnings and become detached. It's sad really. That's why when I become good at digital art and I become known, I will ALWAYS offer free work to those who ask for it. Because, in that time, I have been in their shoes and know what it's like. Artists who love what they do should ALWAYS do free requests at least once every so often.
A more accurate represantion of what younger me wants to say is this:
Some people give free art because they want to and it’s good practice. I don’t get why you are trying to discourage people from doing it.
And some people need to back off and stop asking artists who are not giving free art for free art. If they are giving free art, then go ahead. But if they aren’t, stop requesting.
I do free art sometimes when I really feel like it, but it is not a good idea to get used to being used. Lots of people who ask me for free art don't actually appreciate it that much, so I learned from that and stopped lowering the value of my work.
But yeah we learn things as we age. We pass on that knowledge. Then we die.
If it's the first, then yeah, I agree completely. If I read it correctly, that way of near damn conning someone and using their insecure nature to get them to think they can't work for cash IS indeed disgusting and shouldn't be done. It's a damned con. A scam. If these artists will be stuck thinking they're not good enough, it's damned well DAMAGING to them, as they will never get anywhere at all due to the mindset given to them. Lord knows I am insecure about EVERYTHING I do. People often pound me in the dirt with it. I never go anywhere with my music, despite being around for 5 years now and there's no way hozay that I'm ever gonna ATTEMPT to get Midnight or Midnight: Enter The Reaper to a publisher. Because of a past of constantly having been used, I have developed an auto-trigger in which I don't feel secure or good enough, which is a thing this kind of behavior does to someone. I've written tons of stories for friends on request/demand that never saw the day of light and most of them just ran off with it. So indeed, this kind of cunning, scamming disgusting behavior is uuunexceptable.