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The reason for making this journal entry is because there is something that has been on my mind since the past three months. And not on my mind alone as it seems more artists are confronted with the same thing I'm about to say. While in most cases time dissipates the issue in my mind this time it is something that keeps bugging me over and over again to a point it irritates the hell out of me. Afterall it is a hot topic that has gone completely viral for many months now.

This journal entry is all about judgmental journalism, offended-by-design opinionators and the fearsome white knights that the first two bring in its wake. Surely this is something that has existed since the first written word on the internet, and for as long men could express their thoughts behind a pseudonym charade.

Recent events and a large exposure to unhealthy criticism had gotten me thinking and checking with my fellow artists. I'm sure people will say that as an artist we should learn how to deal with harsh and often unfair criticism, as if this is mandatory to being an artist. Yet at the same time artists have to be more and more careful of all those people out there we might possibly offend.

In a lot of ways you're forced to self-censorship when it comes to publishing your work.

Our kickstarter campaign for Divinity: Original Sin has gotten quite some criticism on its original poster art. Apparently it was deemed to be sexistic and women unfriendly by the way the female protagonist was portrayed: with a bare belly.

A bare belly was for some enough a trigger to send our company enough hate and threatening mails to persuade my boss to ask me to change the cover. I did, but did so reluctantly. Disagreeing wholeheartedly with the claim of the artwork being sexistic, the better half of me decided to meet "offended-by-design" people somewhere in the middle.

In the world of journalism there are channels that take an aggressive stance against everything they judge even remotely sexistic and in many instances denying the word of opposition by disabling criticism and reactions on their articles or blogs. Also blackmails in the form of "change your game art or we won't publish a single word about you." is a common behavior found among those.

Fact is, there is a strong lobby going on out there which is holding a very aggressive campaign for women in the games industry. Despite that its root is very well hidden it is recruiting a lot of followers including some big names.

The idea on itself is noble when you consider women should earn as much as men and should be treated as equal employees. And rightfully so they should be vigilant in their fight for a woman friendly work environment within the game industry.

But truth is that things are really turning to the ridicule of it: wanting to censor the game and comic book industry by setting an example of what is accepted as female character art, and what is not. Condemning Red Sonia for being scantily clad, Mario for the "save the princess" cliché to even armor designs that feature curves for the breasts. To them these forms of "objectification" belong in the past and are considered part of the fantasy of a 'certain type of boys'. (*)

What I think is even more a slap in the face of artists is the parade of charlatans behind it reinforcing this lobby and these statements by arguing game/comic art should be realistic and practical, not fashionable. Playing the realism card is totally out of place and absurd when discussing a fantasy setting. When saying that boob plates are unrealistic and a hazard to the wearer, then also fully commit to your stance that a full plate is a deathtrap in most fantasy environment and will get you nowhere.

www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob…

Similar invalid argument is comparing the same outfit of female character on male character. If you want to compare a scantily clad Red Sonja with scantily clad Conan the barbarian, do not compare it with Conan in a chainmail bikini. Obviously stated like that the latter will look ridiculous and look like you made a point, but you haven't. Instead you just compared apples to pears.

So here it is, and I'm gonna say: do not yield to this motion!

Do not self-censor your own work, your creativity!

If by all means the opposition feels change is needed, let it NOT be by oppressing others art but by just offering an alternative for those who wish an alternative.

But honestly, let me ask the question to the opposition again:

Why is for instance the attire of Nariko a problem and why is the attire of Kratos just fine?

Nariko: farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3…
Kratos: gowfactorfiction.host56.com/im…

And for those crying "objectification":




While you're at it let's just ban this also all together. I object to men being objectified like that.. tsk tsk tsk. -_-


(*) I'll make a dedicated journal entry in the near future on the various points of view this lobby is taking on the matter and question their arguments. Here are already a couple of links that show support for the lobby.

jezebel.com/5922961/the-fight-…

kotaku.com/5923224/rather-than…

www.feministfrequency.com/2013…



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:iconvoltex12345:
Voltex12345 Featured By Owner May 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
good to know they shut down the videos that prove them wrong,
every time i find someone showing evidence, it's been deleted
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WhIppIng-b0y Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2016  Hobbyist
You work for a videogame company? Cool :) How'd you get it?
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orogion Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2016  Professional Filmographer
By working real hard and realising nothing is achieved without putting effort in it. Even when people tell you won't cut it, you push through and prove them wrong.

Remember, none one ever got anywhere by just wishing they had something, or by thinking others had it easier than you. And even if you fail trying, learn from you failure and try again and again. But never blame your failure on others because if you do, you'll spend your time being angry on others instead of improving yourself.
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WhIppIng-b0y Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2016  Hobbyist
Thank you so very much for your detailed and helpful response! I'll be sure to keep all this in mind!
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Chardor Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2016
So posting a bit later now: ive seen the same kind of nonsense arguments beeing thrown around with Original Sin 2: are you involved with that aswell? You think larian will allow themselves to be bullied this time?
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orogion Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2016  Professional Filmographer
Yes, I'm still involved with Original Sin 2, just as much as I was with Original Sin 1. With the only acception that I didn't do any concept art at all for this game. Larian Studios has attracted a lot of awesome concept art talent, both male and female, that did a wondeful job establishing the look for the new races and the new style of the game. In that respect, we try to stay as true as possible to the vision we all have for this game.
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AWESOME POST!!!  Absolutely fantastic.  I lament you were forced to censor your art.  I am a graphic novel artist myself who would rather sell less copies and be branded as smut than self censor.  Puritanical values have somehow crept into the liberal narrative and this new breed of feminism has utterly destroyed the ideas of free expression and sexual liberation.  Literally everything that feminists worked for in the past undone in one generation.  I have some videos on this topic which actually break down the history of fantasy armor and the arguments against it.  Just search for Ansgar Odinson on YouTube since it wont let me post any links
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orogion Featured By Owner May 12, 2016  Professional Filmographer
Hey man, thanks for the thumbs up. I'll definatly go check out your channel.
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Diego-Dereshi Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2016
Great stuff, I just hope that boss also sees things like this now.
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CrazyDave55811 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2016
The first time I heard of this entry was from a mirror of one of Internet Aristocrat's videos.  This one, to be precise:
youtu.be/zz--i3M4PVk

Needless to say, but creative freedom is under threat.  I think everybody else has said it already though, so I'll spare you the repetition.
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BarbarianBabes Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
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sexy armor ain't going anywhere.  if you don't like it, you don't have to look at it.  and brainless fools whining about games like Tera fail to understand there is plenty of sexy armor for BOTH genders, and plenty of NON sexy armor for both genders.  if sexy armor makes you flee to your safe space you have mental problems, don't blame the armor.  ART is ART.
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androgydroid Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the worst part about this is i very well nearly did not buy divinity: original sin enhanced edition because of the female on the front cover, because my initial thought was: female on the front cover of an rpg game and she's fully clothed? this might be a game by a rad-fem (sjw, whatever you want to call them personally).

i was standing in walmart, staring at the cover and i was honestly there for wolfenstein: the new order. i had no intention on buying anything BUT wolfenstein. but you know, i habitually blind buy games and throw cash at games for no real reason. i had never heard of divinity: original sin before that moment, at 2 am under the fluorescent lights of a dingy walmart ceiling. in that entire case of games, i saw original sin. "angry looking chick fully clothed? probably pandering to sjws" was my thought as i looked at it. it was a pretty grim moment.

i ended up buying it new, full price, for ps4 anyway.

my actual regret, however, settled in after i walked out the door with it.

what oh what had i done? i bought a game i was seriously considering may have been made to pander to the radical censorship brigade... on a whim. and, fuck me sideways, my social anxiety had gotten me to pick up the old blood, not the new order, on top of it.

fuck.

that regret didn't wane until i got home and, with a sigh of relief, realised it's a good game after all.

these people are potentially making you guys lose sales, is my point.
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Chardor Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015
Just want to get this out here: They are trying the same thing with Original Sin 2 now, all the old claims that its "not realistic enaugh" (same goes for female fighters in general, but hey mental gymnastics) , obviously they dont have the same issues with male armor beeing impractical in different ways.

Do not cave in to them. SJWs dont actually buy games. This trend has shown over the last few years, they only demand others to change their Art, they do not produce anything of value themselves and they wont buy things that adher to their groupthink either.

Ignore them, do not let them dictate what you can and cannot have in your game!
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N7Kopper Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015
Why don't we just use the word "feminist" here, to describe them.
That's what they are. And the sort of lies, misinformation, and stopping at nothing to silence their critics that they're doing is closely in-line with the feminists of old.
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dauw Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Still relevant today, I fear. Kotaku has become damn near unreadable. Grievance mongering professional victims are everywhere these days, and they're not helping women in videogames if that's what they're thinking.
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mecha-ghost Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2015
Here Here
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RoCueto Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for letting me know of one more company that doesn't desserve my money.
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Avatarbriman Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Just found this post after the mountain of controversies over the last few weeks. Just wanted to say I'm completely with you. Gaming is for everyone, a game is for individuals. If you don't like the design of a game then don't buy it, that is your power as a consumer, only buy what you like. I personally loved Divine Divinity, Ego Draconis and Original Sin and I hope to see many more of the franchise in the future. The problem with most of the hate groups is they want your game in their vision, which is absurd. You should be free to create whatever you like, how you like and those of us who love it will support you.
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Wootius Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2015
Your boobplate wasn't even that terrible. 

I can't defend the heels though. ; p
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N7Kopper Featured By Owner Edited Jun 23, 2015
Heels were useful for cavalry in real life - alongside bulky leg armour - since the horse does all the moving for you, and if you're dehorsed you're basically dead, that basically leaves your legs with two purposes - spurring your horse, and attacking your enemies when they're not in position for your gigantic spear. (or too close to shoot with your bow, or shoot reliably with your flintlock, or whatever) A high heel will help that kick become a stabby or slashy kick. Sure, it won't be useful often, but there's no real drawback.

For foot soldiers, on the other hand? Best suited for settings where there are dragons and spells and things.
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orcus86 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm with you.
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Stranger59 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2015
Nearly two years later and we're still fighting this fight. Thanks for your thought out words, and I'm sorry you were forced to chance your art. Maybe if we all band together, next time you won't have to.
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emikochan13 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I doubt sexy armour is going anywhere. It's supply and demand.
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Jack-Dandy Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2015
Hey.
Now with #Gamergate in full swing, could you please have a talk with Swen? 

I and other people NEED to know exactly what kinds of outlets made statements like "change your game art or we won't publish a single word about you." .

We don't want this sort of thing to happen to other developers. I'm sure you guys don't, either.

Please, share the truth with the people who support your products.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015
Most armors completely erase the female gender.
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schlangenkraft Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
I agree completely. Freedom of arts and speech is threatened by a group of totalitarians. And many give in and censor themselves by precipitate obedience. By the way, the videos got deleted.
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lolcatsneverdies Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
So, you do believe freedom of speech is being threatened? By whom exactly? By outspoken individuals being vocals on the internet about tropes they do not like and why they do not like these tropes?
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schlangenkraft Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
It is threatened by anyone who wishes to transfer his personal taste and his personal views on art, culture and language to all others in a totalitarian way. Discussing and convincing by logic and arguments is perfectly fine. But it is something else when you force your feelings and emotions about a topic on others by sneaky manipulation, propaganda and ideological infiltration of companies or the government. Because you are generating so a society that is afraid to tell the truth and to stand up for their true beliefs. And anyone who does not have the correct political setting and does not use the prescribed language is suddenly out of the game. In other words:
When a group of ideologues creates in this way a mood in society that moves the heads of gaming companies to force their employees to enforce politically correct dress codes for pixel figures, that's not what I mean by freedom of arts. I call it 1984.
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lolcatsneverdies Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
So, you listed the offense as “sneaky manipulation”, “propaganda” and “ideological infiltration of companies or the government”.
Let us talk about what this means.
First, propaganda. Wiktionnary defines propaganda as follows: “A concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people”. Propaganda is basically a pejorative word from communication. Should people be prevented or forbidden to do propaganda? How is that different from preventing them to express themselves, in the end?
Now, “ideological infiltration of companies or the government”. Here, if I understood well, the problem at stake is the “dress codes for pixel figures”and if they are politically correct enough or not. And your issue is that some of the people that want this dress code to be politically correct are trying and succeeding at becoming members of the government and of companies. Why is that a problem? Should they be denied access to positions on game companies? On what ground? What about the government? Should they not be allowed to run for elections? I am not sure I understand your concern here. Maybe you do believe they should be allowed to enter government and companies but then they should not use those positions to influence the dress code of pixel figures. I can agree with this argument for those that enter the government, sure. It is not the government's business to decide the dress code of pixel figures. However, I have not seen any member of any government do that either, and Orogion's message certainly do not mention this. As for people “infiltrating” companies, honestly, why should someone working on a game company not be able to push for the dress code of its character to be politically correct if he wants to? I mean, he or she would literally be one of the creator of the game, so it seems to me actually he or she would be the victim of censorship if he or she was denied the choice to do this.
The last one is “sneaky manipulation”. Okay, sneaky manipulation is bad. Yet are we talking actual manipulation or just people having different opinions? This needs to be determined in a case by case basis. And there is no case here in Orogion's article where I would consider anything he says to be about “sneaky manipulation”. For instance, he speak about how comparing Sonia with Conan in a chainmail bikini is not fair because you have to compare Sonia with Conan in his normal outfit. But that is because he assumes that male character should not wear sexy clothing and female character should! My avatar comes from an image that does it exactly the other way. Instead of putting Conan into a metal bikini, they are putting Sonia into Conan's clothes. Here is how it looks:
marinka18.deviantart.com/art/W…
There is no problem with having Sonia into Conan's clothes. It just makes her look badass.
This perfectly illustrates the difference between wearing few clothes and being sexualized. I can provide a few other examples of female character being completely topless without being sexualized. I do agree that in most case, examples of male characters being sexualized are humorous or ridicule, but I have a backlog of sexualized male character that are played completely straight and not designed as parodies. They look nothing like the “scantily clad” male characters we see so often in video games (say, Kratos, since he is an example).
Here is just one small example:
www.facebook.com/media/set/?se…
So, while genderbent pictures are mostly parodies, it does not in any way invalidate the argument that female characters are much, much more often sexualized than male character, to the point where being sexy, for a female character, is basically the default, while for a male character it is a rare exception. Hence can we call those pictures “sneaky manipulation” rather than “good arguments made less credible by unnecessary humor” (or just “funny pictures mocking some ridiculous trends prevalent in fantasy and science fiction”)?

Okay, another example, because this first example was picturing people wearing actual underwear, with no pretense of it being armored and them being geared for battle.
bikiniarmorbattledamage.tumblr…
This is NOT a genderbent picture. This was design by a gay artist, and there is also an even more NSFW version available if you are into that kind of things. This is an armor that was designed both to be worn by a man and to be sexy. I posted this image just to show that even the basic concept of a “sexy armor” is silly. He does not look as ridiculous as the genderbent parodies, but he looks just as silly as the original that were parodied.





I am also feeling that some hyperbole may have been used in your message, if you do believe that “society standing up for their true beliefs” is about “dress code for pixel figures”. I mean, I sure can imagine some nobler and/or more important goals than that. This just sounds silly.
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schlangenkraft Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
Okay, just leave the game companies alone. They know already what they like to do and they try their best to make it fun for their target group. If you like games with veiled women in full-body armor and confused sexes, then you can support those games or make your own (good luck with the sale). But don't expect me to do so. I support games which entertain and inspire me. And that's most likely not the sort of games which are supported by feminists, because they are assuredly boring and manipulative through and through. (Ever heard of "Gone Home"? Quite a gap between public opinion and media review. Not to mention the partially horrible music.) The media are full of this crap about how the gaming industry should change and give in to these demands. They sell it as liberation. I'm so sick of it. I do not want to live in a world where a constantly moaning political fringe group determines, which game contents I'm allowed to like or create. Just do your own thing and let others do theirs. For the benefit of all.
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:iconlolcatsneverdies:
I sure like games with women in full body armor, and a huge variety of other outfits. What about that “veiled” stuff? Are you trying to imply the user with a barechested woman as an avatar is a prude?
I am not sure which feminist you are talking about. Gone home is one of those games I got from an Humble Indie Bundle quite a while ago, but I have not tried it yet.
If you want a game with some very good female character, I would recommend Ittle Dew, very nice indie puzzle game with old-school Zelda controls, and American McGee's Alice, a grimdark sequel to Lewis Carroll's stories where an insane Alice locked up in an asylum goes back to some tainted wonderland. Or Portal, but you have already played it, I guess. Now, this is just two examples with very nice female main character, but there are tons of game that have perfectly fine female characters. Take Faster Than Light, for instance. Or Starcraft: Broodwar (the medic has one of the biggest armor ever given to female characters in sci-fi, about as big as Shadowsun's XV22 (Shadowsun <3), and the Valkyrie pilot's German accent is just SO. DAMN. SEXY! :P), or …
One game I would love to try is Lollipop Chainsaw. Yeah, the main character is sexualized as hell, but it is done in a completely self-aware fashion and the whole game is all about silly over-the-top super-nonsense, which makes it pretty different from games that slaps a chainmail bikini on every female characters because they just do not know better. So, this could be fun. Very fun. Just as fun as Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill!

I know the most prominent feminist gamer on the French-speaking part of the web is currently completely into the recent Binding of Isaac remake and the new Super Smash Bros. Apparently, Brianna Wu of GamerGate fame is found of the Saint Row series ( twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status… ) and the new Super Smash Bros too. Not too fond of the new Samus design, tough: twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status… twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status…
Maybe you ought to re-evaluate what kind of game feminists wants. Maybe they are very close to the game you want, with just a few key elements changed, not just Gone Home. It could certainly be the reason why they do not want to leave the game companies alone.

I am pretty sure telling game makers which kind of stuff I like and which kind of stuff I do not like is something perfectly fine. They are free to ignore me, but I have no reason not to criticize them if I want to. Moreover, I am pretty sure making so does not turn our society into an Orwellian totalitarian dictatorship. Maybe I will refrain from using too harsh words though, because apparently it hurts your, and Orogion's feelings very much. I think you both need to grow tougher skins though, because not everybody is going to be so considerate for your precious feelings :).
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schlangenkraft Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014
Of course you aren't prude. I just used this as an example. Your profile page says "France". French people are never prude, they just sometimes tend to start pointless revolutions. This woman in your picture looks to me like a slightly gynaecomastic man with long hair. Whatever. It's not about our personal preferences or taste. It is about individual freedom. When I create a game, I'm happy when the players give me feedback and constructive criticism. But it's possible to cross the line, when you try to tell me what I have to do. And when you insult me or destroy my reputation, if I don't give in to your personal demands. There is clearly a difference. The first is common sense. The second is more the mentality of a totalitarian lynch mob with torches and pitchforks.

I tell you the reason why I'm slightly annoyed by this topic. It's because I can't read a single newspaper anymore without getting bombarded by articles of hypersensitive people forcing their politically correct nonsense on society. I can't ignore it, because it gets forced upon me. Since I am an individual and part of the society, I'm also concerned about the things I like, when they become a target for idiotic ideas.
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lolcatsneverdies Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2014
Well, if I was feeling sarcastic today, I would just repost your three previous message, just replacing references to video games by references to journalism and newspaper. You do feel annoyed by reading opinions different from your own in the newspapers all the time? Just consider the fact I do feel annoyed by getting stupid “sexy” ladies in ridiculous armor all the time in my video games. It is forced in me. See, we are not all that different actually. How would you feel if I told you to just go read whatever is the equivalent of Rivarol in Germany, or create your own newspaper, instead of trying to change the current newspapers?

But I am not going to tell you that you are creating a world akin to 1984 by your tentative to censor what newspapers have the right to say. I mean, that would be the kind of hyperbole that is exaggerated, and polarizing, certainly not something sensible and reasonable that would help setting up a constructive debate, would it not?

If you do want the criticism to be nice and constructive, answering to it in a nice and constructive manner rather than lashing out and insulting back is certainly the way to go.

By the way, I am afraid that since the debate about gay marriage we had in here, I cannot let you say that there are no French prude people :P. And my avatar tries to emphasize on being a strong, tough, savage, feral barbarian character rather than a “sexy Halloween costume” barbarian parody :P.
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policorrectus Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
Congratulations for your original art get to be on Steam page. Sure the boob-plate can be a bit silly but having a bunch of whiners who wouldn't buy your game dog-piling on you is disgusting. Best of wishes on your future projects.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014  Professional Photographer
So you acknowledge that women are a tiny part of the gaming development industry and you think their mission to get equal pay for equal work is noble.

It'd be awesome if you stopped right there and lent a hand because a lot of women in your industry are threatened and harassed every day.  I'm just a gamer speaking up about this stuff and that's gotten me quite a few rape threats.

But none of the bothers you *very* much so it's not worthy of your opinion.

What you *really* want to write about is that you're being "oppressed" because potential supporters of yours spoke up and said that the "boob" plate seemed a bit sexist.

And that's just crazy to me. 
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notFAlove Featured By Owner Edited Apr 12, 2015
I'm surprised you can manage to leave your house. Or do you leave your massive victim complex at home?
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cobalt2468 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You should leave your victim blaming at home. If I threatened to rape you, and you spoke out about that, you would thus be the one with the 'victem complex' and I would be the mentally stable one.
By the way, nice favorites collection. Real stand up guy who are.Eye Roll 
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notFAlove Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2015
I don't take silly internet threats seriously. I'm not victim blaming because there aren't any victims here.
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fighton25 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014
Glad to see the original art is back on steam. Congrats :)
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Jack-Dandy Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
Indeed, I was glad to see this!
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lolcatsneverdies Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014
I am confused. Did Orogion not say himself that the previous design was, and I am quoting here, “a big mistake” that was “sending the wrong message” ?

Source:
comments.deviantart.com/1/3808…
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Jack-Dandy Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
Maybe you should have read his entire reply instead of excitedly quote select parts from it. :D
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lolcatsneverdies Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
I have read the entire reply. Nowhere does it contradict the quotes I mentioned. I mentioned those because, unlike his answer to random deviantArt user GrantTLC, which are only relevant to GrantTLC, those part are about the old cover and are therefore relevant here.
If Orogion did change his mind and think that the skimpy cover was not a big mistake, or sending the wrong message, well, he did not state it anywhere, as far as I can see. I would be interested in knowing more about his change of heart on this, if it really happened.
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Kami-3k Featured By Owner Edited Dec 2, 2014
Reads entire reply, doesn't get the point. Figures, sexist radfems always have the point fly over their heads at FTL speeds.
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lolcatsneverdies Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
So you have nothing of value to say?
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Jack-Dandy Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015
Shut up, moron.
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:iconlolcatsneverdies:
lolcatsneverdies Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2015
Uh uh uh, angry moron! Entertain me. Now!
CURSE YOU! 
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Jack-Dandy Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014
Also-

A bit NSFW, but very important to see:

imgur.com/0d96tDR
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2014  Professional Photographer
It's not censorship for someone to say that your bikini platemail and underdeveloped female characters are stupid. 

If you want to make a video game about raping hookers, you go for it.

But when people say it's stupid, don't claim to be oppressed. 
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blob2337 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014
Real woman in bikini complains about virtual woman in bikini.

Underdeveloped female characters? Let's check your profile, miss professional photographer. Right. Nothing but selfies of yourself in various seductive poses.

Projection 101: when you complain about others, it's best if you don't make it so obvious you're talking about yourself.
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