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Historically accurate Disney - Elsa by Niobesnuppa Historically accurate Disney - Elsa by Niobesnuppa
This is a photoshop of the painting of Queen Victoria's coronation and another portrait of Queen Victoria, though most of this picture was drawn completely from scratch, such as their clothes and the background. Their faces and hairstyles are mostly from old paintings and not drawn by me, but I did photoshop them to look as much like Elsa and Anna as possible.
Elsa is based on Queen Victoria's coronation portrait by George Hayter from 1838: theenchantedmanor.com/wp-conte…
Anna is based on a portrait of Queen Victoria by John Partridge from 1840: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

Norway didn't actually have their own royal family in the 1800's as they were in a forced union with Sweden at the time, so the Swedish royal family was Norway's royal family, and they didn't get their own until the union split in 1905.
Finding Frozen's historical setting was very easy, as the film makers have said at many times that the movie is set in the 1840's and that most of the movie's influences came from Norway. The time is further narrowed down by the short film Frozen Fever, which shows a map with the date 1840 written on it, which means the first movie was most likely set in 1839. The Norwegian influences can be easily seen, as the landscape is a very classic Norwegian fjord, which isn't generally seen outside of Norway and Canada, and to a small extent New Zealand. The culture is very Norwegian, with references to lutefisk, as well as several Norwegian landmarks such as stave churches, Viking ships, Bryggen in Bergen, and Akershus fortress. The maypole seen early in the film confuses things a bit, as maypoles are a Swedish tradition, but a small inaccuracy is to be expected in a film not made by people from the region. The people also wear Norway's national costume, the bunad, and pretty much every building is decorated with Norwegian rosemaling, which is a traditional painting technique used by farmers in Norway in the 1600's and later. Here's an example of rosemaling: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/7…

Now, Elsa and Anna's costumes are very inaccurate for royals, as their costumes are clearly more based on the bunads, which were farmer's clothing and not something city folk would wear, especially not the royal family. That being said, the embroidery isn't that inaccurate, as court dresses of the 1840's had embroidery that was relatively similar to bunad embroidery, as both forms of embroidery were evolved from Baroque and Rococo art from the 1600's and 1700's.
Elsa's coronation crown was way too flimsy to be a real coronation crown, looking more like some cheap tiara you'd wear to prom than anything used for ceremonial purposes. Luckily, Norway's coronation regalia has existed since the 1820's, so I just used the real-world Norwegian regalia for her. Here's a picture of King Haakon wearing the same regalia in 1906: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
Anna is wearing a sash of the Order of Saint Olav, which was actually first made in 1847 which is after 1839, but screw it, it's close enough and the only Norwegian order that is old enough to be used and be appropriate for a royal.
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Eireann-manning Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
I love Norwegian and Norse history
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Eireann-manning Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
Your dolls are the only ones I use they are so simple and the style looks Norse (in my opinion)

I can’t stop getting inspired by your art
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2018   Digital Artist
Thank you, I'm glad you like my art. :)
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moonlitinuyasha1985 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2018
Only difference between Elsa and Victoria is that Elsa's much sweeter than Vicky.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018   Digital Artist
And Elsa not a racist colonial, at least as far as we know.
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moonlitinuyasha1985 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018
Yup.
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donovandelaney Featured By Owner May 30, 2018  Student
The crown is right too. But it's not Elsa's right crown. So that means that this painting has it wrong. That crown should still be small and blue.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2018   Digital Artist
Elsa's "crown" is just a flimsy little tiara, it would never be used for a real coronation ceremony. The crown in this painting is the actual real world Royal Crown of Norway.
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Strein86 Featured By Owner May 2, 2018
This is beautiful.  Yes, I loved learning about Norway in the 1840s since it drew me deeper into the lore after finding out the timeline sometime ago. 
I've been listening to Lisa Stokke's "La Den Gå" for nearly an hour now!
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner May 4, 2018   Digital Artist
Cool to hear. :) Lisa Stokke is a decent singer, it's just a shame the Norwegian lyrics weren't better translated, a lot of the words and phrases sound a bit awkward to a Norwegian person's ear.
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AkhillesY Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2017
Perfect
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KbirdL Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
You did an awesome job altering it~! It's easy to tell who they are and the historical accuracy is very nice.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2017   Digital Artist
Thank you.
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Carol-chann Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2017
Amazing!
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DiamondDashy Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2017
Well, I tought it looked like Anna
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iaiusjello Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2017
I love the fine detail work on this, and the historical authenticity. Very good work!


I do wish that the crown pattern on the train -- and the crown itself actually -- kept the crocus theme seen in the film, since that seems to be Arendelle's thing. That would have been magnificent.

But aside from that, I really enjoy how you kept the original colors and patterns from the film but transposed them onto something far more appropriate.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2017   Digital Artist
Thank you. :)

The mantle and the crown are actually Norway's real coronation mantle and crown, though, it's not something I just made up for this picture. Here's a picture of the Norwegian royal family wearing them for the coronation in 1906: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
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CiLiNDr0 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist

Great picture!


I was wondering if I can propose you something. Actually I'm working as developer in a little indie group in an Android game called "Kingdoms of Myth", it's turn based strategy game based on a fantasy World. You can find a little bit more info in this rough website made by my colleges lifeisinfinity.eu5.org/infinit… (Sorry for the bad English). We have liked your art and we would like to ask you if you want to collaborate with us making one fantasy picture. The theme of the picture would be very opened, so you are not going to be forced to draw nothing that you do not want to. Of course you will have full credits of your work and link to your webpage if you want :). What do you think?


Lot of thanks for your time ;)


P.D: By the way we just created now a Facebook with more recent pictures: www.facebook.com/kingdomsofmyt…
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner May 13, 2017   Digital Artist
Hey, I'm sorry for the late reply, I've been very busy with school lately.
It sort of depends on just how elaborate the picture is supposed to be, because as I said I am very busy with school these days. It sounds interesting, though.
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CiLiNDr0 Featured By Owner May 17, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
May I send you the details by private note or email so you can decide?
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner May 19, 2017   Digital Artist
Sure.
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CiLiNDr0 Featured By Owner May 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sent!
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skaiblue Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2017  Student Digital Artist
Aw! you gave Elsa such a cute, squishable face!
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AnaCapre Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2017
I'ts a game? 
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2017   Digital Artist
It will be.
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MountainLygon Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I never did understand why they went with a dainty little tiara for Elsa when a coronation would clearly involve the big, fancy ceremonial crown.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017   Digital Artist
Me neither, it's weird.
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Unkownbrony52 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2017
This looks fantastic. (Sorry, if my comment is not as insightful as the person's comment two down from mine. I love the aged look to it and the colors.)
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017   Digital Artist
Thank you. :)
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Unkownbrony52 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017
Your welcome.
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Blue-marin Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2016
Amazing
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SirenDrake Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2016
I would like to point out that the Victorian English norm was a woman ruler whose husband remained a mere prince throughout his life and never had authority over his wife.  No one ever expected Queen Victoria to relinquish her power to her husband, and no one ever expected her to become a housewife.  I sincerely doubt that such a thing would have been expected of a ruling queen in Norway either.

Indeed, not even Queen Elizabeth I of England would have been required to do such a thing and she lived hundreds of years before Victoria.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016   Digital Artist
Well, Frozen isn't set in England, and while Victoria did keep her power, that wasn't the norm in most of Europe at the time.
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SirenDrake Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016
I'm aware that Frozen wasn't set in England.  And it was certainly the norm at the time that when most women married, their husbands gained control over them and their property.

Nevertheless, I don't know of a single instance anywhere in Europe where a sovereign queen who married became subordinate in her own country to her husband.  Didn't happen to Mary Tudor.  Didn't happen to Mary Queen of Scots.  Didn't ever happen to any reigning queen as far as I know.  Do you know of any instance where this happened without an actual coup?  Anywhere in Europe?
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016   Digital Artist
Again, you're only mentioning British queens. To be fair I don't know about any specific instances where a man took the throne from a ruling queen, but there were many instances where a queen either outright refused to marry or married very late because the rules of that particular country was that if a queen was married, her husband could legitimately claim the throne if he wanted to. So it's true that the queens weren't exactly expected to step down, but getting married still put their power in jeopardy. Not to mention there was also the rule that only the firstborn son could inherit the throne, and women only inherited the throne if there were no sons, so queens were never considered ideal. Hell, that rule was still in place in Norway right up until the 2000's, it's why prince Haakon is crown prince even though his sister Märtha is the first-born, because she's a woman and therefore couldn't inherit the throne due to the oldfashioned rules. We only changed that rule after the first-born of prince Haakon turned out to be a girl.
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SirenDrake Featured By Owner Edited Dec 8, 2016
Mary Queen of Scots was not the queen of Britain; she was the queen of Scotland.  It was a completely separate nation from England at that time and had its own laws.

I'm well aware that female rulers weren't considered ideal back in the day.  Henry I of England tried and failed to leave his throne to his daughter Mathilda even after getting all his nobles to swear that they would support her reign (including Mathilda's cousin Stephen who usurped her throne as soon as Henry died).  On the other hand, she was in France with her husband and had been raised on the continent away from England; she was more German in outlook than English which probably had a lot to do with her lack of support.  Nevertheless, even England had male-preferred primogeniture once such matters were codified, and I believe Britain changed that only very recently though without making it retroactive to cover Prince Charles's sister.  Male-preferred primogeniture was certainly still in effect when Victoria became queen.  That's why Henry VIII went to such great lengths to divorce Anne of Aragon - so he could father a son to be his heir and not have to rely on the throne passing to Mary, his only legitimate child at the time.  But male-preferred primogeniture is a completely different question.  That only affects who will get the throne, not whether a female ruler will be allowed to retain power once she marries.

My question was: can you name any European queen who married and then had her husband claim her throne without staging a coup?  And if you can't answer that question, which are the queens you know of who refused to marry in order to keep their husbands from claiming their thrones?  You said that there were many instances, so I assume you can name a few.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2016   Digital Artist
Mary was still a queen on the BRITISH ISLES.

I already told you I don't know of any specific instances where that happened. As for instances of queens never marrying, there's Christina of Sweden and Elizabeth I of England, for instance. Granted she never said so specifically herself, but one of the big theories as to why Elizabeth I never married was because she was afraid of losing her power to a husband.
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SirenDrake Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2016
I'm aware that the nation of Scotland is on the island of Great Britain.  Nevertheless, it was a separate nation at the time with its own laws.  So I gave specific examples of queens regnant from two different nations who retained full power and authority as queens regnant even after they married.

But it's not surprising that I would give examples solely from the British Isles.  I know more about the rulers of England/Great Britain than I do about any other European nation.  And I certainly won't be giving any examples of what happened to a queen regnant of France after she married, because France never had a queen regnant due to its salic laws, and there were probably other European nations with similar laws prohibiting a woman from taking the throne.  I'm not sure there have been all that many queens regnant in Europe, but I never claimed to have exhaustive knowledge.  You're also the one who first referenced all this in terms of "Victorian English norms" for the upper classes (your words), but if you really want an example from another country, I don't believe Isabella of Castille had to give up her power as a queen regnant just because she had married Ferdinand.

No one knows for certain why Elizabeth I of England never married although it may have had something to do with the fact that the man she loved was already married and then too tainted by scandal for her to take him as her husband and then he died.  She also liked to use her unmarried status as a bargaining chip, dangling the prospect of matrimony before royals from nations with which she was negotiating treaties.  I'd also like to point out that before Elizabeth I became queen of England, her half sister Mary was a queen regnant who married a man who was a king of his own kingdom independent of his marriage to her,  and not even that made the English nobility want to turn rule of the kingdom over to him.  No one expected Mary I of England to give up power and become a housewife just because she married.  Not even her husband's father.

As for Christina of Sweden, based on what I'm reading on Wikipedia, she didn't marry because she found marriage repugnant and probably had homosexual tendencies; I kinda doubt that she remained unmarried because she was anxious to retain power considering that she abdicated and turned her throne over to a male cousin by her own choice - at least according to Wikipedia.

So after twice saying as if it were proven fact that there were many instances of queens who remained unmarried to prevent losing their power, you haven't been able to name a single one that's more than a thinly-supported theory.

You also haven't provided any evidence that Europeans in the Victorian era expected a queen regnant to turn power over to her husband and become a housewife as soon as she married.  Both of the examples of unmarried queens that you gave lived 200 years before the Victorian era back in a time when the idea of women's rights hadn't gained much credibility yet.  In the Victorian era 200 years later, during the time when you said a queen regnant would be expected to cede her power to her husband and become a housewife if she married, I seem to recall that the women's rights movement was gathering steam, the U.S. would soon be adjusting its property laws to allow married women to retain control over their property, and people's general expectations of women's roles were changing throughout Europe and the U.S.

But it's a charming picture, and I'm sorry that what I intended as a gentle correction appears to be rousing ill-will.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Edited Dec 10, 2016   Digital Artist
You know what? Fuck it, I'm just removing the info from the game. I'm not gonna bother sifting through pages upon pages on Wikipedia just for one tiny anecdote, and nobody ever reads my descriptions anyway except when they want to complain about something I said.
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Bambi-Killer Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Professional Filmographer
Brilliant!
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016   Digital Artist
Thank you.
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Londonroze Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
This is gorgeous I love Anna's hair
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016   Digital Artist
Thank you. :)
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Rkaard Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016
Some ass said: all women are good for is to have children and die of it.
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2016   Digital Artist
Who said that?
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Rkaard Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2016
May have been a priest, not sure.
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shishiyoukai Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my!!!!! It's amazing!!!! Everything is so accurate, my history graduation jumps all happy!!!
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Niobesnuppa Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016   Digital Artist
Thank you. :)
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Ururuty Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2016
so good
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Ankuzakai Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my god, it's beautiful ! :)
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