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Vincent's Fall by Night-Shadow405 Vincent's Fall by Night-Shadow405
I've been listening to lots of Nightwish lately, especially since Best Buy had their album "Once." Now, for some reason, Nightwish makes me think of Vincent something fierce. Especially their longer songs (9min and up) like "Ghost Love Score." Ghost Love Score is amazing....

You can has link!: [link]

Vincent's relationship with Lucrecia is something that really attracts me to them as a couple and as characters, I'm not sure why. I have a hard time when people bash Lucy because she chose Hojo and used her own child for experimentation, I personally think she was blackmailed into it by Hojo. PM me for the full theory. I suppose this image is kind of Vincent's pledge to her memory... the song says it perfectly: "My fall will be for you, my love will be in you, if you be the one to cut me, I'll bleed forever."

Vince, Lucy (c) Square-Enix
Ghost Love Score (c) Nightwish
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ShenaniBOOM Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013
Good job :)
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ShenaniBOOM Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013
Aww, Vincent's such a sweetie in this picture :love:
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SephySnu Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Awww, love this!
I heard a theory that Lucrecia was forced into the experiments, so that's how I beleive it!
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FinalFantasyLuvr Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2009
what would yuffie do if she saw this? cry another ocean of tears? (I LUV IT!!!)
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chaoswithinthesoul Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2009   Artisan Crafter
Yes I totally agree with your theory!!!

Go VincentxLucrecia!!!!
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Yuffielovesmateria Featured By Owner May 24, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
Awesome!
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Thankies. ^_^
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Yuffielovesmateria Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
np
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spirtuldragon Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2009
Doesn't this picture remind me of the Hellsing? Like with Level 0 Alucard bowing to Integra??
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I wouldn't know, I haven't watched much of Hellsing.
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Solkatt Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hm, can't find that I've commented on this, strange, well then I'll do it now.

I like the poses the tenderness and sadness, and how the darkness of the surroundings gives a lot of athmosphere :)
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VampireRose7 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2009  Student General Artist
Don't hate me for saying this, but I don't like Lucrecia.
But that's only because she did what she did to Vincent.
I feel so sorry for him in this pic...
But well, that's what fanfictions are for, to cheer us up ^^

btw, I love how Vincent is positioned in this picture.
it carries a lot of emotion.
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
:shrug: It's your opinion whether you like her or not.

It's fairly obvious to me, since playing Dirge of Cerberus, that Lucrecia is dealing with her own problems when she rejects Vincent, especially considering that she pretty much killed Grimoire, Vincent's father. But she does seem to deeply care about Vincent, which is why she chooses to give him Chaos in the hope that it would save his life, and not trying to prove her own thesis (which is what most fans think because of what Hojo says to her. But since when do we usually don't trust Hojo, hmm?). And especially considering that, in canon, it states that she TRIED TO KILL HERSELF for what she's done. I think that shows that she deeply, deeply regrets what she did to Grimoire, Vincent, and Sephiroth.

Of course, it's also painfully obvious that it's gonna take a lot for Vincent to get over Lucrecia. As I've said, she is an undeniable part of his character. She's his motivation to do what he does in some cases. Taking her away and just saying that he should forget her is removing a big part of what he is, whether we like it or not.
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VampireRose7 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Student General Artist
True, you are absolutely right.
About all of it!
I just can't stand how Vincent still cares for her when it, in a way, hurts himself.

I've enjoyed talking to you about this =D
keep up the good work, srsly :)
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, being stuck on Lucrecia may cause a large part of Vincent's angst, but it's really what causes him to get up out of the coffin, I think. Had he not known what Lucrecia had done and sought to fix it in her memory, I think he'd still be laying there, dreaming the years away.

Besides, even in our own world there are people who deeply care for people who hurt them, wether the hurt is intentional or not.

It's always fun to share opinions with people. ^__^
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VampireRose7 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Student General Artist
People in our own world suffer a lot because of love, like you said :(
So Vincent would just fit right in with them, I'm glad that he at least has his friends in the games :aww:

Oh, I've got a qustion for you.
Do you know the truth about Sephiroth's father?
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Depends on who you ask. In canon, it states that Hojo is Sephiroth's father. It's mostly the fans who say that Vincent could be Sephiroth's father. It's certainly an interesting idea, but one that I don't really play into.

I mean, it's an interesting thought that Vincent could have fathered Sephiroth, but one that I don't really see as possible. Vincent always struck me as a very honorable guy (i.e. He wasn't gonna sleep with Lucrecia unless they were getting married). Besides, the games were never clear when Lucrecia and Hojo got married. It's my personal belief that they were wed sometime between Grimoire's death and Shin-Ra sending Vincent to watch over the scientists. But because Square neglected to give us an exact time line for Grimoire's Death, Vincent's appearance at the manor, when Lucrecia and Hojo wed, and when Sephiroth was born, there's a ton of room for both guesswork as well as Fan imput/ interpretation. Timeline wise, all that we know is that Vincent was shot 30 years before the start of FFVII. Other than that, there are no real set dates for anything, which means you can put whatever spin you want on it.

I'm all for a blackmail theory behind the Lucrecia/Hojo "lovin." I personally believe that she doesn't really love Hojo but goes along with him because he's convinced her that: Grimoire's death is 100% her fault,that terrible things would happen to her if anyone knew the events behind his death, and that he is the only one who can protect her from that. So, he blackmails her into being his submissive wife/ incubator for his latest expirement (a.k.a.: Sephiroth). But when Vincent comes he starts to convince her otherwise, trying to give her back the option of free will/ choice, which is why he gets shot. Again, this is all theory, but I think it's pretty strong theory.
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VampireRose7 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2009  Student General Artist
Wow, you write a lot! =D
But that's ok.
Well, you see, I found out that in the origional game of Final Fantasy VII there is a cutscene on a side quest that you can find. In this cutsene Vincent tells the truth about Sephrioth's parents.
And according to him, he was (in theory) married to Lucrecia and well He became the father of Sephiroth.

Now, about the Hojo thing, he did say that he was Sephiroth's father, but he's only supposedly the "father" due to injecting the Jenova cells in Lucrecia while she was pregnant with Sephiroth...well, that's what I've seen.

And I believe that Vincent is the father due to that small hidden cutscene in the origional FF7 game.
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know about that cutscene, because I have played nearly all FFVII myself. Because Vincent is a secret character in the original game, the most information comes from side quests that involve him. You can go to Lucrecia's cave where you learn about Sephiroth's parentage (this is also where you get Death Penalty and Chaos). In the cutscene, you see where Lucrecia leaves Vincent for Hojo, but nothing really says that Vincent is Sephiroth's father. We only really got more information on Sephiroth's parentage when Dirge of Cerberus was released. For me, it pretty much confirms that Hojo and Lucrecia WERE married and that Hojo is Sephrioth's father. I consider all games canon because it's all from the same team, they may create a few more plot holes and screw with the timeline a whole bunch, but it's still the same people.

I've never heard of that variation on the scene before and I've watched the scene in the game with my own eyes as well as the dialouge between Vincent and Hojo before the fight with Hojo.
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Meowen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2009
I really like this couple, it has a more complex and tragic story than the run-of-the-mill ''Oh my god you love me and I love you 'cause you're so pretty let's marry and live happily ever after''-story. I love the poses and the idea of the picture, it all adds together very well=)
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Lucrecia and Vincent are a very Shakespearean tragedy pairing. ^__^ I think that's what attracts me to them.

Besides, she's 10x better than any Sue that gets paired with Vince. We all know they only like him 'cuz he's pretty and has a nice voice. I think, If Lucrecia could ever get over what she's done and leave the mako coffin, they'd make a very lovely couple. =D

Thanks for your comment!
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Meowen Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009
Yeah, she's so much better. She is a complex female character, and that's so unusual. Generally it's the guys who get all the interesting and deep roles, and all the female roles are just love interests and girlfriends (or more like eyecandy/trophies), damsels in distress or small insignificant ones. I've still never seen a scene in a movie where two women are allowed to sit down and just talk about complicated stuff beyond clothes and men, like religion, politics and such. So I want to thank Lucrecia for being a complex character, she's a (often misunderstood) step in the right direction. Go VincentLucrecia!
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
:nod: And the few times that a Female has a particularly strong role or at least one where she's not prefection incarnate, people tend to hate her with a passion. It makes me sad inside when I see that.
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Phoneix-Faerie Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
a really beautiful picture and great message!
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you so much!
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Phoneix-Faerie Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
your welcome!
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Puvithel Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Lucrecia reminds me of me;

She tried to keep those people she cared for from being hurt but her actions only cause them more pain, and she was never given a chance to redeem herself.

Why do they bash her?

Out of all of Square's character's she is truely the most human and realistic.


She made a few mistakes and was punished for eternity...


She reminds me of myself alot, her interest in science, she blames herself for things not her fault, she's afraid of what might go wrong, and she tries to save those around her by pushing them away, and by denying herself happiness.

I'm currently making an FMV for her, "Vivica" by Jack off Jill, cause i reminds me of her and of me.

because Lucrecia is beautiful, not just in the superficial physical way, but in her personality, but she refuses to believe that, and is instead made empty.

Her story REALLY made me hate Hojo even more >.<
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Lucrecia is quite the complicated character, a good number of people who don't like to look past the surface of her character can only see the bad she did and never consider why she did it. Unfortunately, people are like that about more things than just characters. They want a scapegoat and characters like Lucrecia are perfect scapegoats.

Vincent and Lucy's relationship is treated badly by a good percentage of the fandom, even from those who've played Dirge of Cerberus. Some protray her as a witch-woman hungry for power, others just simplify her down to a sadistic bitch.

I'd love to do a cosplay skit with a Lucrecia cosplayer to this song: [link]
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Puvithel Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
yes.... the judge without understaind, but expect themselves to be understood >.<

poor girl....
She's my favorite character!
She's just like me... a scientist, who holds on tho her mistakes and never forgets them, pushes people away in an attempt to save them.
And honestly, she only made one mistake, and she was never given the chance to fix that mistake, like most people often are.
She's one of the few characters ever created in the world of video games who truely had a human pschye!

I would so do that skit with you o.o
oddly enough i'm actually planning to cosplay as Lucrecia in a couple months =D
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
That is extremely spiffy! I need to find a Lucy in my area.
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Puvithel Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I wishes you luck in doing so! ^.^
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RavynneNevyrmore Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Oh wow, I love this. o.o The theme and the lyrics' role in it more than anything. Vincent looks so knightly here, like he's kneeling before the lady he has pledged himself to, and that's actually a big way that I see him. Actually this site here [link] does a fantastic job of peeking into that role of knight/lady in regards to Vincent and Lucrecia if you want to do a bit of reading. (That site's author did a great job with her essay-esque tribute, I think.)

I really ought to look into this Nightwish. I hear a lot about them and they did an instrumental song with Lacuna Coil that rests among my lengthy playlist, so I'm willing to bet I'd like them, too. Boy Sets Fire and VNV Nation are two other artists whose songs and lyrics tend to remind me of Vincent and Lucrecia often, too.

I'm very glad to meet another VxL fan, and so I'm about to shove a bunch of links in your face that I hope you'll enjoy. ^_^

[link] - this one is my Vincent fan site. =P Going to make one for Luci too which will discuss her various relationships with other characters, when I get around to that..
Lucrecia - This a collection of my favorite Lucrecia pieces that I have seen around DA, including several featuring her with Vincent.
Wasurenai - This is the title page of ~VictoriaValentine's doujinshi, which is more of a Vincent story than a VxL, but it is very lovely and does feature Lucrecia for a moment.
Redemption - This is my own doujinshi, which will center more around Lucrecia than Vincent. :P *PLUGPLUGPLUG* :D
[link] [link] - ...aaaand for some more shameless plugging, these are two VxL pieces from my own gallery which you may enjoy. ^^;

I chose to share these with you because you see beyond Lucrecia's less...admirable traits and have an appreciation for the complex relationship between the two characters, not because I'm mindlessly pushing them around the web. That relationship is one that has ceaselessly fascinated me for the past decade, as well as the complexity of Lucrecia's character in itself, and it seems too many Vincent fans only see "Lucrecia hurt Vincent--she's bad and mean" or simply want her out of their way.
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Night-Shadow405 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Lucrecia has had an undenyable part in the formation of Vincent's present character. I get the feeling that through his relationship and encounter with her he matured on a very deep level. But I also see Vincent as the last living relic of a bygone age, obviously in the time before Shinra got big, people lived in a simpler manner than how they do in the present day. Vincent was also obvously taught to respect women and has deeply-rooted morals. some of which may have been subverted by his Turk training, but they're still ever present.

When it comes right down to it, I see Vincent as a disgraced knight, he once fought for the things he believed in, but found the world doesn't share his noble cause and now wants nothing to do with the world. But the one thing that keeps him going is the love of his lady. Lucrecia is the Guinevere to his Lancelot, the Dulcinea to his Don Quxote, and definetly the Beatrice to his Dante.

THanks for the links, I'll have to check them out sometime. I'm not a VinceLucy fan per say, I just understand that you can't have Vincent without Lucrecia. Vincent can certainly be paired up with others in my mind, but you can never leave Lucy out of the equation.
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