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Wisdom of the Wolf by NicGiraffe Wisdom of the Wolf by NicGiraffe
Lame title is lame.

There's so many missed opportunities in the Archie Sonic comics to have the various good guys interact with and get to know each other better. It'd be a great way to give them some character development. Since I like focusing on stuff canon ignores, expect to see a lot of that kind of thing in my fanfics. I'm especially hooked on the idea of Antoine and fellow canines Lupe and the Wolf Pack interacting, and he gets to hang out with them for a while in my first story. After said story, Antoine will often visit Lupe for advice or help with a problem if Stormblaze (my OFC, a unicorn) isn't available, and that's what's going on here.

I still hate doing backgrounds, but I thought the picture felt naked without one. It's supposed to be nighttime and they're beside a lake.

Usual warning in play here -- don't like it, don't comment.
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Aw. I don't think it's a lame title. I think it's a good title, and covers a really nice idea about Antoine getting advice from other canines.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The most important kind of advice too, like the best kind of carrion to roll around in and the best locations to howl at the moon at!

My joking aside, thank you. :) I'm glad you like the idea.
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
OMG yes. xD Canid behaviour for the win!

You're welcome. :3
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:highfive: Wouldn't mind seeing some art of these two as well as other characters in that vein (as long as it's not too gross or out there). =D I've seen a few pics of Lupe doing some howling, but that's about it.
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Heehee well, I don't know what canine activities could be portrayed in a decent way apart from howling. Although, with my anthro fox characters I have given them the habit of running their hands over things as a polite way of scent marking, as foxes do have scent glands in their paws. Not sure if canines do though; or if it would work well in a picture for that matter!
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, the dog family's kinda gross, huh? :D That sounds really neat. You know, I don't know if other canines have scent glands in their paws either. I'll have to find out. It might be a little difficult to tell that the character is scent-marking, but it could always be explained in the description
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
xD Yes I suppose; most animals are though at times.

Thank you. ^^ Trying to incorporate animal-like behaviour in my furry characters is both something I enjoy and something I'm proud of.

And yeah; it does need some explaining. A still picture can't really convey that the person is running their hands over something.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's very true. =D

You're welcome. Yeah, I'm the same way. I wish that was something more people did. It adds an an extra element to the characters and makes them more then just humans with fur and claws.

Yep.
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Kodimarto Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2015   Filmographer
VERY beautiful sketching!!!:):thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :)
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Kodimarto Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2015   Filmographer
Anytime.:)
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MDTartist83 Featured By Owner Edited Jul 20, 2015   General Artist
That's awesome. Nice renditions of Antoine and Lupe. It's good to know that Antoine is treated better than some other characters I know of. But Lupe as usual, is incredibly underrated and underused. But It's good to know that there are fans who care about her.
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Fox-The-Wandering Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Ah, it's so true-missed opportunities in any canon is no fun and feels like you'd been cheated a bit out of character development. But I really dig the idea of Antoine meeting Lupe and the rest of the Wolf Pack here. I can see Antoine coming to them for advice when he needs a voice to talk to or somebody who has more experience and wisdom in the ways of the world here. In turn, I can also see him absorbing said information and becoming more worldly as he spends more time with Lupe and crew. :)

I think the background is fine the way it is; it gets the point across and is simple but clean. Nice job, Nic! ^^
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yep! It's even worse when fandom won't capitalize on the opportunity to develop the characters further.

Yeah, I wanted Antoine to have people he can look to for guidance and companionship around. I just really like the idea of him forming connections outside his group of Freedom Figters. I also feel like with Lupe being a mom (in the comics anyways), she'd be more then willing to help him stay on the right path.

Thanks! :)
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Fox-The-Wandering Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Eeeh, gotta love dumb fandom moments. And then the kind that the fandom DOES want to capitalize on just turns into a real mess -_-

Oh I can see Antoine having somebody outside of the Freedom Fighters to talk to for guidance and wisdom since the Freedom Fighters, as awesome and resourceful as they are, won't always have the answers and will need to seek help from others on what to do about a situation. That, and half of the crew are kids or at least young adults and there aren't a lot of adult adults to handle everything ><; So I think it's smart to have the crew look to others outside their circles for advice.

Lupe as a mom? I think that is SO cute. I dig. :D

Anytime, buddy! ^^
 
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cakelesspixels Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015
This is awesome! :D I do agree that Archie totally dropped the ball on character development for pretty much everyone, especially the Wolf Pack. I do love the idea of Antoine and Lupe bonding though. He needs some people in his life that act like guiding forces. It's probably all he really needed (rather than everyone giving up on him).

I do like the background! I think it came out really nice, too.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And to think this idea almost never came to fruition because someone else told me that Antoine would be too scared/respectful of Lupe to approach her in the first place. While I agree that he'd definitely respect her, and I feel like I conveyed his nervousness around her in the story, to act like they should never have any one-on-one interaction makes no kind of sense to me. As part of his growing maturity, he logically would get over that fear at some point.

It feels like even many other Antoine fans have no interest in seeing him grow as character and think he needs to stay static/underdeveloped. Character development wha?
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cakelesspixels Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
I think people like static characters in general which is disappointing. Usually you have to just plow ahead and be like "Too bad, character development is happening." And then after it happens, I've learned a lot of the naysayers end up liking the change. They're just resistant to the idea until you just go ahead and do it. (Some people remain adamant in keeping characters at a standstill no matter what though.)

I think you conveyed his nervousness really well! But he also acted like an actual person and dealt with it. It's not like Lupe is a super mean person who'd tear off his face. Now if she was really mean, I could see him not approaching her for one-on-one time. She's intimidating, but I don't know if that would really stop him from talking to her. Honestly, part of the problem is canon didn't let a lot of the background characters have interactions with people that didn't involve Sally and Sonic. It's hard to say exactly what he'd do if left alone with Lupe even in canon without development. We hardly got to see that happen. I like to imagine it being similar to how you write him even though canon writers would never LOL.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It is a bummer. I guess it's due to laziness or a lack of creativity, or some weird unfounded fear about going OOC. Yep, that's what I did. I mean, the whole point of Antoine's quest was to get him to step outside his boundaries. It is nice knowing that everyone who's commented on KE so far seem cool with the Antoine/Wolf Pack interaction.

Thank you! And exactly. I'm sure that there are fans who really want for her to tear his face off, but an IC Lupe doesn't roll like that. I really can't see her ever becoming that mad at him for one. And I could see him having problems with approaching someone like Diablo, but that's not the case here. I agree that it all comes back to the comic's refusal to let side characters interact with each other. I swear the majority of the characters who showed up at Bunnie and Antoine's wedding neither of them has ever been shown speaking to before, lol. About the best thing you can do is take the characters' personalities into account, have some knowledge about how real people behave, and make an educated guess.
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cakelesspixels Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015
I think it's a mix of laziness and lack of creativity. And I've found most people just don't like change in general. When it comes to characters, they use the whole "It'd be OOC" to justify not making any changes. Yet that goes out the window in a lot of fics, especially PWP fics LMAO. But for most people, I think it's embracing status quo. People are weird, I guess is all I can say. I am glad everyone who's commenting likes it! :D You've been doing a great job with it so I'm not surprised.

I agree. I can't see Lupe acting like that toward anyone minus an enemy or threat. She's too mature. And now that you mention it, I'm 99% sure that they never even spoke with most of the people at their wedding prior to the event (or at). They'd been in the same room before, but that's it. Man, I might have to do a character relationship chart just for the official characters for that reason.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That makes sense. It's such a bizarre dichotomy though when you think about it. Aww shucks! :) I just hope I can keep it up.

Yep. Off the top of my head I've only ever seen Lupe get hostile towards bad guys or pple she perceives as threats.

A scene came to my mind...

Antoine (whispering): "Um, cherie? I do not who most of these people here are, do you?"

Bunnie: "Shh, honey. Some of 'em bought us some really nice gifts. Just pretend you know 'em."

Cream: 'Who are Antoine and Bunnie again?"

Mina: "I dunno. Some friends of Sonic and Sally's I think."

In all seriousness though, it's really disappointing. I think a chart like that would be a good idea, especially considering how different some of the characters are from their canon selves.
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cakelesspixels Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015
It really is. And I’m sure you’ll be able to keep it up no sweat! :D

Exactly. She’s a pretty mellow person. It just seems a little too out of character for her to do that. It’d also make her kind of a crappy leader if she was just flying off the handle like that.

LOL! That’s kind of perfect. After reading part of the wedding comic, something like that could have happened. It was all characters they never really talked to. And even during the wedding, everyone was a lot more interested in their own stuff or talking to Sonic than the couple getting married. (Unless I missed a very important chunk. I didn’t read the whole thing.) Also I’m totally with Bunnie. If the gifts are nice, you fake your heart out to get that really nice dining set.

Maybe we should try figuring that out. I don’t know if I could do it all on my lonesome LOL. You also know a lot of the characters better than I do.

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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
True, but as we both know, too many pple in general and especially in this fandom have no concept of what a good leader is and what they're supposed to do.

It is, isn't it? XD Yeah, it honestly seems like they don't have any friends beyond the other KFFs, which is messed up. Is Sally running a cult or something? OMG I am so sooo sick and tired of Sonic taking over everything. Even at Bunnie and Antoine's wedding where he's not only the best man (inexplicably enough), stuff has to revolve around him too. You shouldn't be reducing the bride and groom at background characters at their own wedding. I honestly don't feel bad for not reading that comic now. Good grief. LOL, Bunnie knows how to play the game.

Well, I think there's some characters you can tackle better then me. :) I admit that half of my knowledge is just me relying on memory and having to theorize about them.
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MetalExveemon Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015
Didn't know you were a fan of the Wolfpack too? :D I never watched Sonic, but I've heard a few fans complain about the severe lack of develepment for Lupe and her pack. But I think you did a great job with the background. And Lupe's got some great legs on her. ;) :D
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think the wolves are among some of the cooler characters in the series, yeah. Lupe and the twins (my versions of them, anyways) are probably my favorites, but I like all of them. The series never did much with the Wolf Pack, but that's not surprising. I'm trying to give them some more stuff to do in my stories. Are you a fan of them?

Thanks! I figure I should make myself work mre on things I dislike, like backgrounds. XD Also, I wanted Lupe to have a lithe, athletic look to her. I'm sure all that running and stuff she does worked wonders for her legs, lol.
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MetalExveemon Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015
Well, I do like artwork of them, though I don't really consider myself a fan. They just haven't grabbed my attention, really. 

Your welcome! Heh-heh, yeah... Oh yes, definitely. :D
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Understandable. There are characters I'm like that with myself.
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MetalExveemon Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015
Yeah... There are some characters that interest you only enough so that you think they make good decorations, so to speak, yet you don't want to get to know anything more about them.
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