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'One fish dinner coming right up, my dear...' by NicGiraffe 'One fish dinner coming right up, my dear...' by NicGiraffe
When Sonia mentioned she was hungry, Bartleby knew he needed to step up and take care of his woman! I like how Sonia's just looking on like "Why don't we just head back to Knothole and grab lunch there instead?" XD

So I wanted to draw something with Bartleby and Sonia together and finally settled on this idea after seeing a video very similar to this one on TV: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpF64K…

Hedgehogs are still my least favorite Sonic-verse species to draw. I do love Sonia, I just despise drawing hedgehogs. Inb4 "Your Sonia is off-model!" Brilliant observation there, Poirot. It's entirely intentional -- I wanted to draw her in a manner I found more appealing to my own aesthetics. And even then I still had a hard time drawing her, so I'll probably continue playing around with hedgehog designs.

If you don't like Bartleby or this coupling, I frankly don't give a rat's patoot. Keep your childish comments to yourself.
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I don't know anything about either character (well I guess Sonia is Sonic's sister?), but I do like the picture. The interaction of the two characters is really amusing.

And that was a neat video. :3
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, now's your chance to start familiarizing yourself with these two (or Sonia at least. And yeah, she's Sonic's sister). XD Is it the best show ever? No, but like I was saying before, this is one of the only series I know of where Sonic isn't getting his butt kissed constantly, and Sonia, Manic, and Bart are underrated characters: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjA07z…

It is neat! It's amazing how nervy those animals are! Bu I guess that's a mustelid for you. XD
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Oh,well, right-o then. xD I've been meaning to start watching the series, and I guess today's as good a time as any.

Mmm. :3 I think that's the first time I've seen a video of a wild mustelid. And I want to thank you for sharing it. <3
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
XD Hope you enjoy it.

Oh it's no problem. :) There's more video of mink and other musties in action on YouTube if you're interested, but some of them are graphic because they're doing what predators do.
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
xD Thanks. Actually I've seen four episodes thus far, and so far most of my enjoyment has come from Sleet and Dingo.

I think I could handle that, given that I've seen footage of predators catching prey before. It's not my most favourite thing ever, though.So I'll keep it in mind if I ever goon a mustelid binge. xD

And, having seen a bit of the show together with your comment, I'm guessing you are not basing Bartleby strictly on its portrayal of him?
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, those two can be amusing.

*nods* I know some people are squeamish about that kind of thing, which is perfectly understandable. I admit I find seeing the athleticism and power of predators (and their prey) in action stunning.

No, I'm actually just fleshing him out from the "pompous tool" portrayal he got early on in the show and adding in some things for my fic-verse. I feel he actually does end up getting some decent development in the show (unlike Antoine in SatAM), but I won't spoil thngs for you.
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Flammifleure Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, I agree. :3 When I was a kid I used to watch a lot of National Geographic's wildlife videos, my favourites being the ones about the big cats (and domestic cat, heh).

Ahhh. And yeah... I, uh, kinda spoiled it for myself through TVTropes. ^^; Oops.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
NatGeo is awesome. I still love watching cheetahs run. I miss those specials as well as Wild America, but at least there's Nature on PBS.

LOL, I've accidentally done that before (sometimes I want spoilers though). I guess now I can say that I was irked by how, after they had Bart make his big sacrifice for Sonia, they just shuffle him off and we never hear anything about him again.
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Divine-Agent-of-Lust Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015
The video you looked was so cute and very funny. Bartleby's going to have to try much harder with these fish since no one's caught them for him :giggle:

I think Sonia looks fine by the way. And once again, I loooove how much you've made Bartleby look like what he's supposed to~:heart:
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
IKR? :D Mink apparently have no problems with stealing fish from fishermen. There's quite a few videos of them doing just that on YouTube. I wish I cold find a full-length version of the one I saw on TV. The mink just jumped into a bucket and made off with this huge fish after a couple of tries. I picture Bart excusing himself, finding some fishermen, and paying them to let him take their catch and bring it back to Sonia. :lol:

Glad you like my take on on her! One time someone remarked on how I'd drawn Sonic before. I didn't like the guy's attitude about it, so I was trying to beat him or any other possible complainers to the punch. People don't seem to get that not everyone's going to like the canon style and don't have to mimic if they don't want to. And drawing Bartleby is always fun! XD
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Divine-Agent-of-Lust Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015
I'm sure I can find a bunch of adorable videos on YouTube (probably going to do that after replying to this lol~) Yeah I can see Bartleby doing that. In my head Bartleby tries to be the strong protective man who does his best to take care of Sonia after joining the Resistance, but in reality Sonia is the one who's doing all that but can't help but love Bart for trying~

I used to be the same way but I didn't throw that onto others. Nowadays I prefer fanartist styles as to the original since some of the original artstyles aren't appealing. Sonic X is the worst for me. But overall I adore the way you draw Bartleby. He just looks so fluffy and adorable~:heart: And the taaail~ I love the fact that you give him one.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's more or less how I view their relationship. As Bartleby matures more and becomes worldlier, I feel it'd be interesting to see how the relationship evolves.

Sonic X is bad, yeah. The games and the later Archie issues are the worst to me personally. It was when they started getting more and more anime-ish (not saying anime is a bad style, but I don't like how Archie did it 80% of the time), then moved away from that only to become weirder and weirder-looking before the art began aping the games. A shame; the earlier stuff after the comic moved away from the goofy humor stage actually looked good. The artists also gave the characters better proportioned bodies then they had in SatAM.

Bart totes deserves fluffy fur, since he's a mink and all. XD
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Divine-Agent-of-Lust Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2015
Same here. I sort of see Bartleby as he did become more mature and worldlier try his best to be the man he feels Sonia deserves.

The only art style I actually like is the old school style from the Classic Sonic era. After that things just became... weird... I do like some of the Sonic Boom designs, mostly Eggman though. The rest of the Sonic art style is very meh to me.

I really hate how SEGA and Archie will take a certain species of an animal and totally make them look way off from what it actually looks like. Or they like to hack off the tails like with Bartleby or Antoine.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
*nods* In spite of his flaws (which aren't even all that bad and make him more interesting, because you want to see him grow as a person), Bart would be a great husband, father and overall good person.

I like some of the Sonic Boom designs too. But yeah, the art style is just really limited and copypasta.

Haha, me and :iconcakelesspixels: complain about that very same thing. There's stylization, and then there's overdoing it (or not even trying. I don't know which it is with SEGA and Archie). I mean, tell me if  you can guess what kind of animals these two are: static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub… This is just a theory we have, but we suspect that with SU and SatAM, they just drew a bunch of animals and then assigned them species later on after people started asking what they were. I guess it's up to fans like us to take canon's mistakes and fix or improve on them. I don't think Archie used to be as bad as they've become. At least some of the animals actually looked like their species. But then again, I guess you'd have to be a really terrible artist to screw up designing a skunk.
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Divine-Agent-of-Lust Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015
I've noticed that is a character in the Sonic fandom even gives Sonic a hard time or doesn't act remotely nice to him they are labeled as a bad character. (Ex: Sonia, Bartleby, Sally Acorn, Antoine, Silver, etc..) The only character to get away with this is Shadow, but only because he's jaded and misunderstood and insert other excuses.

What I saw with Bartleby in the series, besides what the creators went out of their way to make him an ass, was that he liked to be left alone in what he was doing. He just wanted to sit around, drink his exotic tea, chat with Sonia, and get a little carried away with his money. Other than that, he didn't do anything that wasn't forced for him by the writers. I think there's this scene where the triplets are in his place disguised as male cleaners and he's insulting Aleena, which is totally pissing off Sonic. And I sort of don't blame him for talking smack about her at that point because he doesn't know about the prophecy. As far as he knows and is concerned: the woman just up and left Sonia with a random noble woman, and pretty much fled from her queenly position allowing Robotnik just to take it and do as he please. I dunno know if I were you, but if my queen did that, I'd be a little miffed too. Plus if your friend/fiance was the child of this woman you'd also be pissed at her thinking that not only did she not care about her people but the one child you know by this point. Which don't get me wrong, I like Aleena, she's my favorite version of Sonic's mom any variant of the Sonic series made. But everyone seems to see her as this saint, and some of the other characters might not think that since the prophecy is a hush-hush endeavor. I think Bartleby saying anything nice about Robotnik is him paranoid that he's being watched, and that he could get jumped for saying anything wrong, personally. I don't think he likes Robotnik as he claims to be honest. It just seems forced once again because the writers needed a patsy.

Yeah after a while Sonic Boom did that and I grew bored with it quickly. Which is a shame because if they tweaked the characters a bit, like make Knuckles slightly less stupid, I think things would look a better for them.

I'm going to guess and say that those two are either deer or some sort of goat. Now that you throw out that theory I totally see it. Wouldn't surprise me actually. Mina was an Archie character who's design slightly bugged me because I'm being told she's a mongoose and her tail doesn't fit with that animal, even though they finally gave the animal assigned one because it has one hooray! Which if they were to fix her up she'd honestly look similar to ol' Bartlebutt since they're species are in the same family.
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's true. That may explain why characters like Rotor are so inexplicably beloved by fandom in spite of being underdeveloped and not doing anything of importance. But I do think Sally can get away with giving Sonic a hard time more so then Sonia, Antoine, or Bart can. TBH, I can't even fault other characters for not liking Sonic. How is it realistic that everyone on Mobius love and worship him (I feel like that's what Sonic's fans want to happen anytime he interacts with someone)? Sonic is obnoxious and immature as heck, I'm sorry.

What are you talking about? Bart is rich and dislikes Sonic, therefore he is bad and stupid. I vaguely remember that scene. I get where Bart's coming from in that moment too, and it's frankly stupid to be mad at him for not knowing about what's going on with Aleena. But of course the writers weren't seeing things that way. It seems like the writers for the American canons can't depict aristocrats and nobility wth any kind of subtlety or complexity. I need to re-watch SU actually, but I like your idea that Bart is just paranoid about being caught speaking out of line about Robotnik.

Yeah, Knuckles comes across pretty poorly in Boom.

Nope, pronghorns. But at least you guessed that they were herbivores and not... well, I didn't know what in the heck they were when I first saw them. =D I just Googled Mina to see how they drew her tail. It looks like they were going for some sort of Nack the Weasel type deal? But she's another character I want to redesign so that she's closer in appearance to her species (though mongooses and mink are from two different families[/nerd]). Gotta say that Mighty ad Bark look the worst to me. There's nothing about them that screams armadillo or polar bear. I also hate the new designs of the other Freedom Fighters.
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MetalExveemon Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
Awwww, how sweet and cute. :D Love the designs, too, you did a brilliant job! 
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Fox-The-Wandering Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Pft, I think this is really cute myself with the way Sonia's looking over at Bartleby with amusement. It's hilarious.  
But at the same time, it's really sweet how he would do his best to be with his lady and take care of her by literally grabbing some grub from the fish hole. I think it's a nice gesture of Bartleby myself. ^^

I think that vid's a grand inspiration for this pic: it's really hysterical to see the mink try to catch the fish even though the fishermen aren't gonna let him. XD

I think your design for drawing Sonia here is a great idea myself. Hedgehogs can be difficult to draw, and I'm all for the option of doing what's easier to make one's life easier when drawing hedgies. So yessss I dig your design of Sonia! I especially like the spikes coming out of her head like hair; that's clever and refreshing I think. 

So yes I dig this very much, Nic! I hope Bartleby gets some fish. :D 
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Equal parts humor and disbelief are exactly the type of emotion I was aiming for with Sonia, and I'm glad it worked out. XD I thought it'd be a nice way of showing that Bartleby would do anything for Sonia. :) Despite what the naysayers say, he did genuinely love her in the show.

LOL, the mink figured he'd give it the old college try.

Well, it's not that I find hedgehogs hard to do. It's just that the style looks lazy, unattractive, and lacks the detail I prefer seeing in character design (I feel the same about any character drawn in SEGA style). And when seen next to more normal-looking characters like Antoine or Bunnie (if they're drawn in any other style but SEGA), the hedgehogs just look bizarre. For video games I guess simple works, and if other people like the style, that's great. I tried to keep relatively close to Sonia's base design: img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20… but tweaked some things. I did take inspiration from a fan artist who gives the hedgehogs a softer, cuter look and even looked-up pics of real hedgehogs.

Thanks! I hope he catches one for Sonia too. :D
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Fox-The-Wandering Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Yep. Go mink! Get that fish! XD

Ah, gotcha. I do see your point about hedgehog character designs and other normal-looking characters-I admit I never thought of that before! That said, I dig how you tried to keep to Sonia's base design and yet you drew it in your style-a nice way to bring out the best of both worlds, I say. You did a great job doing so. :)


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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
=D

Thank you!
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Fox-The-Wandering Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Anytime! :D
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cakelesspixels Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
Sonia actually looks like a hedgehog! LOL. I get why the hedgehogs look the way they do (knowing the backstory behind it), but they look so weird. I know it's all preference, but I prefer your take. You not only made her look more like what she is, but you made her proportionate. Seriously, Sonic always looks like he's about to fall over from the weight of his own head.

And I love Bartleby here, too! You can actually tell what he's supposed to be LOL. You did a great job on this and it's a really cute concept. :D And if anyone can take the concepts SU gave us and refine them into something better, it'd be you!
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes! The giant bug eyes, hydrocephalic heads, and Betty Spaghetti arms combined with their being treated like they're the equivalent of supermodels in canon and fandom just drives me ballistic. In certain cases I don't mind crazy proportions, but not Sonic and not especially with the way I draw the non-hedgehog characters. Now I'm picturing Bart reaching a finger out and easily tipping Sonic over because of the weight of his head. =D

Tanks! I dunno, I wonder if some of SU's concepts can be saved. What is this? i.imgur.com/6UTIsH0.jpg I wouldn't even know where to start.
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cakelesspixels Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
I can handle crazy proportions in certain cases, too. It's just the Sonic universe pushed it's luck too hard. It doesn't help that a lot of the time no one else in the cartoons had the same kind of weird proportions. LOL Now I kind of wish Bart had done that... He probably could have and had it work TBH.

You're welcome!

...Satan. We meet again. For you've come to me in my darkest hour.

Actually, there's probably someone much more horrifying I could call Satan from that show. Those character designs were just a mess. I guessed she was a raccoon and the wiki said that's supposedly right. (Whatever, SU. Whatever.) And I only guessed because her fur is gray. Clearly I am the best Sherlock. (I'm sure Remedy is thrilled that the other southern raccoon around looks like the poster child for plastic surgery gone wrong.)
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Dukect Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
Well this a good drawing but I did not like Sonic underground at all. it had some good ideas but it just wasn't executed well 
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I can see why you'd feel that way about it. SU definitely could've been handled better then it was (if I'm watching it online or on DVR, I fast-forward through the songs XD), but for me it's like a guilty pleasure. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's my favorite out of the animated Sonic series because of it's characters and potential it had. I'm using some of the characters from it like Sonia and Bart here for Mobius Dawn.
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Dukect Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
That is why I like fanfiction you can use characters in a better way than their creators do.

As for Fav animated Sonic series its sonic SatAM  followed by believe it or not Sonic Boom.  
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NicGiraffe Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Same here. A big chunk of my fanfics (not just the Sonic ones) stem from my being really dissatisfied with the canon material.

Cool! I actually like the designs they gave Amy, Sonic, and Tails for Sonic Boom.
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