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da redesigning to look more like other social media sites is... 

51%
33 deviants said
bad
32%
21 deviants said
wait they're doing what
17%
11 deviants said
good

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:iconkoushoku-jin:
Koushoku-jin Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconyoyoangryplz:   I smell 'use and abuse a feature' once again...
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha how so?
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:iconkoushoku-jin:
Koushoku-jin Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconyoyoboredplz:  Like the "Report This Deviation" -- I can imagine some spheshul shnawplek would love to 'report a deviation for the good of all'

( I can imagine the threads in the Complaints filled with something like that... :facepalm: )
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Hah well that button's been around for ages so if it is an issue, it's always been an issue.
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:iconkoushoku-jin:
Koushoku-jin Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconyoyoloopyplz:   Danggit... Murphy's Law strikes again...
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes haha
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:iconbarbecuediguana:
BarbecuedIguana Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2019
Remember the days when DeviantArt was a trailblazer? 

Changes need to be made, but right now I'm not sure if I trust anyone in the internet business to change anything. A bit like Hollywood remakes - if you can't do it right then just don't do it at all.

I haven't looked at eclipse yet but I have to wonder what social media platform they are mimicking. Facebook? Twitter? Tumblr? Artstation? Newsflash - all of these sites suck now - even Artstation. It looks pretty but gets boring quick. Strangely enough there is only one social media site out there which looks alright, runs reliably and has no ads to hit you with the occasional javascript bomb (unlike the current DA) and that is Google+ a site whose head is on the chopping block because the internet is run by idiots. 
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Hah I mean does it count as trailblazing if it's first on the scene? I guess that's sort of the definition....
Fft yeah, I'm ok with mistakes as part of learning but this whole process has been messy and in some ways not well communicated.
Want access to Eclipse? I got points to spare. I don't know that it's exactly the same as any of those, you can't miss messages simply because of timing, but in general it feels in line with the social media aesthetic. I don't mind losing a ton of the customization, I think the main problem is they didn't build in functionality that myself and others are used to having. This would be fine if they'd set that expectation to begin with, and tbh I'd like more detailed change logs.
Haha I technically have a Google+ but never used it.
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:iconbarbecuediguana:
BarbecuedIguana Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2019
Thanks for the offer, but I barely have the time to spend on normal DA. I'm sure I'll be dragged into it kicking and screaming eventually :-)
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha truth
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:iconsrsmith:
SRSmith Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2019   Writer
I'm all for progress, the current site is very dated, and breaks pretty spectacularly on mobile, and while I applaud the mobile app, it's better in some ways and sorely lacking in others.

What I've seen so far is more glitz than functional improvements, but being in the web applications business, redeveloping live apps, especially of this scale is a massive undertaking, especially when the beta is effectively running live, it's not a copy of your stuff in a sandbox, it's another live view on all your data, so that requires some serious planning to implement new features or change existing ones while maintaining backward compatibility and not imploding the entire site.

Literature functionality isn't there. At all. I couldn't submit a text deviation when I last ran Eclipse, but Heidi responded to our feedback the other day that Literature specific updates are coming shortly, and I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm not sure what the story is with St.ash and the writer, or gallery folders, Lit thumbnails (though I understand they're better now), but I'm going to refrain from judgment until the next update is live, and then find the most meaningful place to provide specific feedback and hope someone pays attention.

If they push a Facebook or Twitter UI on us, I'm going to be very, very, unhappy. I already use both, and I'm unhappy with the experience on those sites, I don't need that friction here too.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah tbh I don't understand why they dumped this on the production servers so early, stress testing?
Right now they seem to think that people will finish with their messages all in one go (straight up biggest pain point)...they had a whole bunch of people giving input on the design so I'm wondering wtf happened there.
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:iconsrsmith:
SRSmith Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019   Writer
Public beta is more common now than it used to be. Solicit feedback from a wide variety of users for free and use your paid assets to sift through for the useful bits of feedback to compile and funnel to the dev team rather than have those paid assets with preconceived notions of what to expect do testing and provide feedback. Being close to the product leaves massive blind spots that public beta doesn’t, but also exposes you to massive angry user feedback from people who mostly don’t understand the process, or know how to provide useful, actionable feedback. It’s the lesser of two evils.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah but frankly this isn't a beta, it's an alpha. Like, I'm on the mobile version where all the menu headers have the wrong labels, and that's one of the most basic of QA steps I'd think.
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:iconsrsmith:
SRSmith Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019   Writer
Alpha's the new beta. Pretty soon we'll be crash testing 'imagine if you will' class software.

I've been involved in a variety of 'agile' development projects, some have been very successful, conceptualize very small, get it right, deploy, iterate and expand functionality - that's a great approach. Many have been pressure to get whatever was overpromised out the door too early, then spend many panicked weeks trying to fix user-reported bugs while the PMs overcommit on new features. I do not enjoy working on those projects. My sense is we're in the latter type here - shoot, aim, ready! 
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Hah, I believe it. I mean, look how many post live fixes even game devs do these days.
Aa word, and yeah I'm leaning that way too. My new boss wants to implement some agile thinking and I was like that sounds good as long as we don't enter dev hell v:
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:iconsrsmith:
SRSmith Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019   Writer
If everyone buys into Agile, and more importantly - agrees on what elements you're going to adopt and what that actually means, then it's a very effective methodology, but I've been stuck in environments where an entire part of the team agrees to do Agile development, and then waterfalls everything and can't understand how the impedance mismatch wreaks havoc through the entire company.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Oooooff.
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:iconnichrysalis:
Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
Progress is good but their execution and implementation of being like other social media is extremely lacking to the point that I seriously question if they have the right staff to develop this place. The feeds on the app and eclipse are so inefficient and counterintuitive because the concept they're going for to manage notifications is fundamentally flawed. It's like they tried to copy another social media's site identity without forging their own, and that bugs me because it seems like the devs are always in a state of the grass is always greener at other social networks and seem to ignore the people who say yah, but the grass is a grey-er green here, and that's what we like about it here, let's cultivate that more.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah so they just rolled out a few updates to feedback, and I have a suspicion there's more coming...because this isn't a beta, it's an alpha. Which is annoying for other reasons.
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:iconnichrysalis:
Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
Yah, lotta companies doing the whole crowdsource your development with your current userbase and it's honestly hard to have patience with it as a consumer. I miss hard releases.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed. I get there's some dev that really can't be tested on a large scale, but there's some serious pain points that should be known things right now. I think it's also unfair to devs when this kind of thing happens.
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:iconnichrysalis:
Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
Yah, I agree, it just causes undue stress to both devs and userbases. Doesn't seem worth it. Controlled testing groups seem to be catching back on again, so hopefully it goes away.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, hopefully.
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:iconsquanpie:
squanpie Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2019  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's the newsfeed type thing I can't stand. I need that finite, manageable view on my message centre, and the ever scrolling randomly ordered mess that you get with a news carousel (aka facebook) just means I give up on bothering to attempt to read and respond.

Also saddened by the lost green. Not so much for the sake of the green itself, but because it gave dA an immediate identity. At least facebook has a blue header in facebook blue. Likewise twitter. But dA? The monochromatic look gives it nothing to call its own. And that's kinda sad.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahh so I don't get that many notifications anymore and I think that's basically why I've not had issues. Hard to be annoyed when it's still not that bad for me. Although I did ask explicitly if the ability to remove stuff as you're going through your inbox was coming back.
I'm torn, on the one hand as you say it's part of their identity (although the green used to be darker!) but on the other hand, it was kinda dingy looking. I'm actually a lot more pissed about their font decisions.
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:iconsaintartaud:
saintartaud Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019
I know we've discussed this before, but generally I think it's good, my issues are more how they fit themselves within that while remaining true to what makes dA works. The other issues I'm more skeptical about are less particular to the mechanics of the platform, more how it's managed.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
yes hah this is a poll I've posted before, verbatim. Last time the votes were 56% "what" so I'm expecting a shift this time
yeah I don't think Wix is quite the same company as original da - this could be a good thing but so far not impressed by certain policies.
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:iconsaintartaud:
saintartaud Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019
I really need to look more into it TBH. I've been thinking about just testing Eclipse to have a better informed opinion on the shift.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah not a bad idea - at least this way you can flip back when you can't find shit.
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:iconsaintartaud:
saintartaud Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019
Hmmm, are they no longer in the beta testing phase? I don't see option to test anymore, I either need an invite or request access.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
huh really? do you have beta testing turned on in Settings?
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:iconsaintartaud:
saintartaud Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019
I no longer appear to have that option, it's only available to Core member. Odd, since I recall that being an option for all Seniors at one point and IDK when it changed.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Ohh yeah you definitely need a subscription now for beta testing. Don't ask me, I was a senior for like a month before I jumped on the GM bandwagon P:
Want a 3-month?
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