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Do you think you've ever pre-judged someone because of their physical appearance? 

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60 deviants said Yes, but I consciously strive to overcome those judgments (Read this anyway: www.scientificamerican.com/art… )
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5 deviants said Of course not! (Read this: www.scientificamerican.com/art… )
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2 deviants said Yes, and I'm right to do so (unwatch me)

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:iconsrsmith:
SRSmith Featured By Owner May 5, 2018   Writer
I don't know that I necessarily judge people, but I certainly have a set of expectations about someone based on their appearance *and* the environment. If you're in heavy metal gear covered in tattoos and chains in the SciFi section of the bookstore, my expectations are going to differ dramatically compared to the same person in an alley behind a bar somewhere.

I think we have a built-in self preservation mechanism that varies our level of fear and alertness based on a wide variety of factors, and while we'd love to say we don't behave differently based on appearance, I think it's impossible for us not to.

In a controlled environment, a group setting or a crowded public place, my expectations of anyone are mostly flat until I start interacting with them, and my opinion is based on what they say and do, and how they say and do it, appearance factors very little.

One on one in an unfamiliar setting, or anywhere unfamiliar where my safety isn't guaranteed, I'm suspicious of just about everyone equally, it doesn't matter if they are in coveralls or a suit, or what color their skin is.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 6, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
"I'm suspicious of just about everyone equally, it doesn't matter if they are in coveralls or a suit, or what color their skin is."

I think most would say this, but studies show that we're more likely to associate danger with darker skin. People react faster to guns when they're held by a dark skinned person, and also are more likely to assume guns.
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:iconsrsmith:
SRSmith Featured By Owner May 14, 2018   Writer
Ironically, it's the skinny white dudes that I'd assume are more likely to rely on a knife or a gun to feel tough, so I don't necessarily assume guns with dark-skinned people, and that in itself shows racial bias.

Of course, I'm Canadian, so my sensitivities are entirely tuned to my local environment where guns and violent crimes aren't necessarily an issue. If I spent a period of time living in America, I expect my point of view would likely change.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Hah yeah, not to mention media exposure, which is Constitutionally unregulated here. The dudes who study implicit bias actually have their test online, it's worth taking.
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner May 4, 2018
So I found out with one okayish and one half finished tests that I suck at pressing keywords right. 
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 6, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Oops :B
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:iconphoenixleo:
phoenixleo Featured By Owner May 6, 2018
It it was something like for Disney / good, press “e” and Dreamworks / bad, press “i”, I messed up from one question to the next, then when they switched, surprise! I also messed up from one question to the next. 
Then there was red and green drama. 
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 6, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Oooops O:
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:iconphoenixleo:
phoenixleo Featured By Owner May 7, 2018
Also, I don’t know if there were practice sessions to rule out messed up typ8ng or not. So whelp! 
But it was fun being on edge. O_O
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 8, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
:B
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:iconphoenixleo:
phoenixleo Featured By Owner May 8, 2018
These reminded me of those extra credits that undergrads could get doing psychology experiments though. :B
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 9, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
:lol: aka my Saturday dinner fund.
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BlackBowfin Featured By Owner May 2, 2018   Writer
It's impossible to not. Comparison and recognition of patterns are fueled by the animal-will to survive. However, in embracing one's humanity or, dare i say, spirit, I think it's important to be self-aware of your own biases and throw it in your own face (even celebrate) when you're wrong. It's all too easy to ride the stats of stereotype into convenient ruts of extremism.

I guess I also tend to pre-judge those in my demographic a bit harder than those not. I usually assume they've fallen for the racist/sexist bullshit that the previous generations in my lineage tried to pass down.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 2, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, exactly. As the article says, it's not nice to think we aren't nice.

I'm watching the transition of males, and Caucasians, from majority to largest minority with interest. Cause people don't seem to generalize about majorities the way they do about minorities, I'm wondering if it will change behaviors there.
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BlackBowfin Featured By Owner May 4, 2018   Writer
Well, I think that the WM demographic has always found a way to feign an underdog status... but, I also like to think that (despite the current state of things) things are slowly moving in the right direction. I also occasionally catch myself loving the discourse and unrest in today's youth.... and awwwww.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 6, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Not disagreeing there P:

Haha
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:iconblackbowfin:
BlackBowfin Featured By Owner May 6, 2018   Writer
I posted a poem today, somewhat influenced by this conv. :)
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:iconwdwparksgal:
WDWParksGal Featured By Owner May 1, 2018
I hardly notice what anyone looks like. I'm not the observant type. I'm much more likely to notice talent. Not looks.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Conscious vs unconscious observation, though - if you eliminate the conscious factor entirely then you're being guided by unconscious processes.
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WDWParksGal Featured By Owner May 3, 2018
Well, I wouldn't say I eliminate the conscious totally, it is just I'm terribly unobservant and am easily distracted. I would make a terrible eye witness.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 3, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahh haha, fair.
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:iconwdwparksgal:
WDWParksGal Featured By Owner May 3, 2018
I get so distracted I will be carrying laundry to the washer, see something, set the laundry down, then walk away and forget all about it. I'll wonder away in a store then my hubby has to go looking for me. Not sure why I'm like that! I'm one of those people who will find the "lost" remote in the refrigerator!
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 3, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha, oh no! I have friends like that.
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BarbecuedIguana Featured By Owner May 1, 2018
Well, if you have nothing else to go by then you really have no choice but to pre-judge based on appearance. The question is - what about ones appearance are you judging - clothing is a form of communication. Subconsciously (and sometimes consciously) what you put on projects a personality out into the world. Even when you are trying to say nothing by dressing down you still end up saying something.

People who see a person's skin color and can't think beyond it?
I have no patience for people like that.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah exactly, although one thing I've noticed is that I am less likely to pick up on expensive or cheap clothing depending on other aspects of appearance. It's not great v:
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:iconxlntwtch:
xlntwtch Featured By Owner May 1, 2018   Writer
Yes, I have, then saw a difference, a personal and individual quality, and I married them. :lol: So I was judged by strangers; at least they said negative things about me, in front me (with husband) and loudly. We must keep trying. Good article. Thanks.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I can't even imagine what people would say tbh. Well, no, that's a lie, my family is really damn prejudiced and this has come up even though everyone's married within nationality so far.

Salut!
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:iconxlntwtch:
xlntwtch Featured By Owner May 1, 2018   Writer
"Race traitor" was popular, and once, in a movie theater lobby: "Oh my god, look at her with that ugly Indyan. She's even having his baby! How could she stoop so low!?" from two women waiting with their husbands. They were not quiet about their reactions. I said nothing, and neither did Midge. We didn't leave, though. We thought we were interesting. o.O
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 2, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Holy shit. Ho. Lee. Shit.
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:iconxlntwtch:
xlntwtch Featured By Owner May 2, 2018   Writer
Yeah. Gawwwd dam.
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:iconamarantheans:
Amarantheans Featured By Owner May 1, 2018
Racial and physical bias will always exist. I was raised in the deep south and I know that when talking about black people that my mind will drift back to the way that they were never really included. I mean I think there were only 4 black people in my class of over 200 students.

I make it a point in my life to try and make sure none of these biased opinions pass to my daughter. Her best friend in elementary and into middle school was a sweet little black girl... she eventually changed schools and they have stayed in touch just not as close. The problem comes in when my parents came to visit... my mother makes stupid observations and doesn't know when to shut up (but we have talked about that wackado in great detail). Despite our attempts at moving forward, the previous generations are constantly there trying to insert their horribly biased opinions.

The internet is helping to make people color blind, which I like. You go to someones art profile and they have no pictures of themselves and you look at their art as a person looking at a persons art. Not a white person looking into the life of a black person (insert all stereotypes here).

I do not know if you are white or black or a native race, but I follow you because you are interesting. You bring up excellent points about society, and make me think. Truthfully I don't care what your race is... it is not that knowing would make me pay less or more attention to what you have to say, but I know that to some it would.

My brother-in-law and well my in-laws in general are totally racist. They would claim that they are not but it is obvious they are. Funny thing is... they are from Pennsylvania, so much for racism being rampant in the south. The problem is they are in a poor area, when the mines all shut down the area has not continued to develop. The population around them is mostly black, so when someone gets in trouble, it is obviously a higher likely hood that person is going to be black. Not because of their race but because of the numbers. 

Many have figured out ways to take advantage of the "system" food stamps, unemployment and the like. My mother in law works at social services and sees it every day. People who are clearly able to work coming in to get their money from uncle sam. It taxes her because she is in constant pain because her husband of 30 something years is a paraplegic with limited use of his hands and well she is his care giver. She comes into work and sits in pain as others tell her why they cannot work and she forms her opinions and biases. Again she sees that these people are black and makes her opinions that they are no good, bringing home that bias everyday to her husband and son, and now his daughter. Of course we remember from before, it is not a race thing but a numbers thing, but they refuse to see it that way.

So in closing we are a horribly racist and unjust society that is constantly placing race as the problem, when it is a numbers thing. Then it gets out of hand and the black population becomes targeted because they are black. If you see two men, same age, same dress, one black and the other white, they are both running away from a woman screaming that her purse was stolen. Which one will the cop chase?
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh I hear you, my mom grew up in a bitty homogenous village. Good on you for countering that! Can't help who we're related to, but can help our friends....

I think there's some kind of study showing that kids definitely absorb biases from their parents, can't find it right now though. Drat.

And yeah hah the internet helps there. I'm not black, white, or Native P: Granted, I think there's still a tendency to assume white/cis/hetero/male on English-speaking forums, but hopefully the increased visibility of other groups is going to help tear that down.

Northern racism is a bit more covered up...John Oliver had this great bit on how, because of the way desegregation laws were set up, the South has more integrated schools than the North. And that recent brouhaha in NY says it all, too.

Not exactly the same, but yeah my mom was saying that she only sees black people trying to fudge welfare info on their taxes--except this area's segregated enough where their schools probably didn't have as robust programs explaining how to do stuff, and also I'm sure there's a decent element of confirmation bias since, well, she's kiiind of racist.

There was a study showing black people are significantly less likely to be pulled over in nighttime when it's harder to discern a driver's race than in daytime. The system is absolutely unjust...and maybe worse, self-propagating.
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Amarantheans Featured By Owner May 1, 2018
Uggh... schools as a whole don't teach our kids enough. My daughter was sent to a private school... mainly because my health sucks and these people have bent over backwards to help us out. I am disabled, but have the pleasure of looking normal, I hate when people give me the "stink eye" as I park my car in a handicap space during the summer, because I have a severe heat intolerance and sun allergy. (Yep the sun makes me break out into hives, I is a vampire, hiss) 

Anyway, most schools have done away with programs like co-op which was great for me, it allowed me to take a class to learn the basics of finance and to get a job at the same time. Only being required to go to school for half days, while I worked. They used to have shop, now it is too dangerous. I see less and less vocational schools for high school students, they are now geared for graduates, because, well, money. 

My daughter has a strong work ethic because she was raised to respect her elders and people in the position of power. She shows up to work at Red Lobster on time and in the proper dress code. While her co-workers call off and come in high, when they do show up, but somehow these morons keep their job. It is like people are afraid to fire these idiots for fear of being sued. The thing here is not even a black or white thing, it is just a lazy ass teenage thing. The group of people coming up into the working class have not been shown what finance is, or the cost of living. This generation is going to be a parasite living on their parents, because they are uneducated and lazy. Parents don't want to discipline, cause it is more fun being your childs' friend, well I hope they enjoy working their asses off supporting their friends.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeahh, although then again they don't even get through the basic curriculums /:

One thing I really liked about the London Underground was they had signs everywhere reminding people that not all disabilities are visible. Also, behold all my garlic O:<

They've stopped shop classes?! Whaaaaat even. Oh, there was something about how vocational schools have a ton of vacancies. But I think there's concerns about taking up a trade especially as automation continues expanding. And of course a ton of overemphasis on a Bachelor's. Of cousre money /:

Good for her! To be honest, I think my generation and thereabouts may have been the worst, just from all the times I did GOTV (get out the vote), the inertia was ridiculous. I volunteer at this robotics competition - these kids, elementary through high school, basically pour all their time and energy into building an underwater robot that most of the time doesn't work anyway. But a lot of them come back year after year. Actually makes me hopeful.
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Amarantheans Featured By Owner May 18, 2018
My daughter was happy when a robotics company came out to her school but regrettably it was not to be a regular occurrence. The one thing I wish they would push into the curriculum is a finance coarse... Something to introduce kids to using credit responsibly, as well as the importance of starting a savings and a retirement account in addition to national benefits. So many think that social security will be able to support them when they are old, but it doesn't pay much. My husband is a financial counselor at his command, so many kids just getting in the military get that first card and they just go crazy. He helps them plan on paying off bills and such.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Awwwww. That sounds awesome O:

Huh, my school had mandatory consumer ed. Absolute waste of time for kids whose parents were savvy in that area, but clearly useful for others. My parents weren't rolling in it when I was young, and have an absolute horror of debt, so I know a lot about coupons :lol:
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:iconamarantheans:
Amarantheans Featured By Owner May 23, 2018
I wish they did here... thankfully we can go on base and get groceries at a really good discount
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 23, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Ooh I'm glad they do that at least. Honestly starting military pay is abominably low.

I'm surprised, I thought it was a wider requirement tbh.
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dholms Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
it's just being human.
instinctive, right?
this reminds me some of the idea of implicit racism.
i think there's something to it.
has to do with things we do unconsciously.
and it's really hard to admit we might be.
but we have to be open-minded and objective to what could be.

know what i mean vern?
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah - we're primed to reinforce behavior, learn from patterns and our parents. I think the problem is when people try to pretend that doesn't happen, and therefore fail to correct for it through conscious adjustments.

Implicit racism is a form of implicit bias!

Yes, and don't call me Shir--Vern :P
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:iconmemnalar:
Memnalar Featured By Owner May 1, 2018
Yeah. Not proud of it.

Good article.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Same here. Ignoring it is worse.

Cheers!
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Daleduc Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
I believe that even if we say we do not judge, we do but not in a way, in doing nothing we are alo judging that it okay when maybe it not.

Judging depending on where and why, like in a marriage or during a funeral could be okay to judge someone of there lack of respect for does inviting him.

But i would not if that men or women was o busy they could not had change in time.
I once decided to not wear formal cloth because i was driving from far and it would not have been pratical to wear such cloth.
I feldt judge but i had a reason.

I hate Yoh, the guy wearing to low pant, because it juste not right. i mean there a different doing so because you need to, and wearing cloth because you like it and nobody influence you to, and it doesn't slow you down.

Like i said we judge anyway by doing nothing or saying i don't you need to be critical of thing in order to understand. If not we might call does that don't ignorante or blinded. It like not being aware of danger and banalizing it,

We need to be critical without putting negative though, except if doe people do it for negative reason.
Doing omething because it popular his not wise and should be critizied. and plus wearing and cloth are fashion and teste your free to not like what i wear or to not find it practical.

Anyway i will not vote by choice. I do not think they represent what it about or my views on style and fashion.
I have been judge on my fashion style and i have do not my self in the past.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Edited May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry, should have clarified that I meant physical appearance - not clothes. Mainly skin color although attractiveness/etc plays a role too.

I'd sure as hell judge someone dressed poorly at a funeral or a wedding (assuming I know they're not poor), and I think you're right to do so.
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Daleduc Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
But being judge or critical of race can make you understand other culture in ways that if you do not you might not ask question.

I understand you question now and my answer his no i don't, but i believe to understand someone you need to be able to judge or ask difficulte question that someone that his not may never ask.

Well that how i feel about the question it self. yes i am against racisme judgemental with no reaon other then i hate and can give other reason then something that came out of somebody else.

I also believe some may have very bad experience with such and before never did judge other.
Tome we are all child affrayed of what we do not understand and some can't help them self to hate thing after being told they should, there sso many way someone become and judge other for ethinic or color or worst just discriminate other. it could have come because of bad influence by adulte or TV exposure.

I do not believe someone become judgemental just like that there are reason. I do not and will not defend them but, i understand that like tolerance, for someone to stop judging other they need to hear doe that are tolerante and speak to each other.

To break what ever it give does reason to judge, or to make does against the judgemental to well see that even if they acte stupidly in are eyes. they do have legit reasoning.

It like being 200 in a room with 1 TV and 4 channel we will not all like the same subject and the same episode.
so talking to each other his important to set something that will be toleranted to everybody, or we could just fight over it.

Anyway, it a very complexe subjet and will not come up with solution just with me and you talking about it.
But i do find it cool to share my view on the subject, i have alway feldt alone and never part of the trouble of other even if it does call out to me, for being different, i try to be my self and not someone else or someone i do not want to be.

But even so it give me trouble, with my collegue and my familly, because it like deconnection my self from they others.
well sorry for the wall of text.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner May 1, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, the problem is really when people don't even try to see their prejudices :nod: No worries about the text!
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