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is fanfiction lit? [COMMENT] 

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29 deviants said it can be, and I have written fanfiction.
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16 deviants said it can be, and I have never written fanfiction.
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10 deviants said it is always, and I have written fanfiction.
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8 deviants said it is never, and I have written fanfiction.
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8 deviants said it is never, and I have never written fanfiction.
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4 deviants said it is always, and I have never written fanfiction.

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00111 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Fan fiction story has to be carefully executed, or it will blow up in writers face. ( I just love idi*ts who write something and don't look at the events/ rules of the original ) But, i feel like the Fanfic is a much greater challenge then normal writing, as it just needs to be better. I am in middle of writing one, and i am only using the universe. nothing more. New charaters, new places. ( Sometimes a slight making fun of original story, yes )
simply, Fanfiction is a road with only one direction, but you can build so much turns and roundabouts...
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Heh. It could be, if you approach it that way and try to write within the constraints—but a lot of people will also point out that creating all of your own rules from scratch is really hard to do.
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00111 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Everything is possible when you try hard enough, I think. Like i said careful approach is best. Fan fic have two major issues ( i though of these ) They can't surpass the original, no matter what. And if they do.. ( lest say we know what 50 shades are. ) Secondly, as it is a FAN fic, it is only for a small portion of readers, and those are wery picky when it comes to changes.
Sorry, cant write more, getting sleepy.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's true enough, though. :O And yeah, fans are probably the best and worst thing about fanfiction.
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Astrikos Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I feel like it can be. No it's not completely original, but you can still write a really nice piece that isn't entirely yours. It's fun because you can write about a character you love. I don't think fanfiction is really original, but doesn't stop it from being a form of literature. Especially if it's written nicely in terms of plot, pacing, and technicalities.

What's your opinion on this one?
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm there with you--but I think if it wants to be literature it has to meet the same stylistic standards. In general, fanfiction focuses a lot, lot more on story.
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Astrikos Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
That's cool. yes.

I agree!
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It can be lit, same as anything else written. Just like nude people can be art.

I'm not sure they qualify, but both of the novels I'm currently writing started out as fanfic, by the loosest of definitions. I created my own characters to populate someone else's setting. Both of those novels also started out as nothing more than character origin stories for characters I'd be RPing, of course, but that's beside the point. The setting they started in was not original.

That's changed since I started both projects, and they're now entirely my own creation, from the characters all the way out to the ancient history of the individual settings. They're not fanfic now. But they were, at one point!
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nude people are frequently art :O

Hmmm. I think you're okay now, but if you'd left in references or the same rules that would be an issue.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That was my point. Nude people are frequently art, though that is a highly subjective assertion, depending on who you speak with. I liken those people who scream at the top of their caps lock that fanfiction isn't literature to those same people who call the slightest tease of nudity porn.

Yeah, I'm okay now. No references left, though I might just lay an Easter egg or two in honor of the stories' inspirations.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Aaaaaah. :lol:

Ha.
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kersee9 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Professional Writer
it is not, nope, never, ever and nope i have and would never write fanfics. no matter where you go to with it or what storyline you pursue it is NEVER your original idea and i am ashamed of anyone who argues differently. starting with someone else's idea never makes it your own original idea. GAWD! :rage:
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:lol: Absolutely not. But part of the question is, do you have to define lit as original ideas, and if so, what does that do to things like 'Interview With the Vampire'?
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MurkamiHaruka Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It can be. It tells a story, it paints pictures, just because only people online will read doesn't really mean anything, does it? It has to follow the same rules that other lit has so....
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The thing that's missing for most people is having to come up with all of the characters and universe rules. o:
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MurkamiHaruka Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yea. As long as it follow lit rules then has to be considered lit. So you can say that not all fanfiction is lit but some of it is.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Fair enough :nod:
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MurkamiHaruka Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know that fanfics are not original ideas, and that some will not consider it lit, but lit has to start some where. Original ideas are not the basis of lit, it's just requirement to get published.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, at least non copyright infringing. :)
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MurkamiHaruka Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yea. I forgot that part. Man, I had a good argument and I just ruined it! :P
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:pat:
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ikazon Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012   Writer
If it's written, it's literature. Not necessarily good literature, but literature nonetheless. :P
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:P Fair enough.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Professional Writer
Is Homer's Odyssey not literature because it featured pre-existing figures? Henry V? Antony and Cleopatra? The Bible?

Fanfiction is literature: the very fact that it can be horrendously bad seems to prove this more than it argues against it. Things that might not be literature include, say, takeaway menus. You can complain that the font's too small, or that it's full of misplaced apostrophes, but you're not exactly going to say that it's a bad menu, that you didn't enjoy reading it.

Fanfiction does something more than just tell you what there is to eat, what street you're on or what time the movie starts. That (and the fact that it's written) is what makes it literature. I'd actually be less certain of the Shakespeare plays mentioned above, as the text wasn't originally intended to be read by an audience.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The Bible is the greatest fanfic of all time :lol: ...well, it's supposed to be a history. I think you do have to differentiate between historical and fanfiction--the former takes characters that (were thought to have) existed, the latter is about taking someone else's creations.

Haha, I'd say that because menus are meant to serve a purpose of explaining food, they wouldn't count as lit--in general I see art as something that has an aesthetic value outside of any functional purpose. Which isn't to say you can't have a menu that's literature, just that it would have to go above and beyond.

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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Professional Writer
I did kind of wonder if there might be a less historical Shakespeare example, but if there is I can't think of it just now. There does seem to be some overlap between history and "fanfiction," though: various mythical figures are included in modern fantasy, often along with elements of their original stories. Fundamentally, I'm not sure there's any how much difference there is between Poseidon turning up in the Odyssey and him turning up in Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief. It's similarly possible for a work to include Count Dracula without actually being considered Dracula fanfiction. :shrug: With this sort of sliding scale of character/story borrowing, it just seems impossible to dismiss fanfiction as not really being literature when so many widely-accepted literary works to some extent do much the same thing.

Which isn't to say you can't have a menu that's literature, just that it would have to go above and beyond.
:slow: That's exactly why I'm wary of saying outright "takeaway menus are not literature." There may even be ways the ordinary "explaining food" ones could become literature in the future. Maybe if, in a few decades, people start reading them for historical reasons.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Romeo & Juliet ~ Antigone?

I don't think of 'Percy Jackson' as fanfiction, not least because he completely tromped all over the rules of the Homeric universe. (Not to mention the first book doesn't have accents, grrrrrrr. Okay, yeah, I couldn't enjoy that series because I was being anal everywhere. :ohnoes:)

Maybe a more specific definition, like characters and universe?

Haha, right? Although I think they become 'historical documents' in the latter case.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Professional Writer
If fanfiction wasn't allowed to completely disregard the established rules of the original universe, half the stuff on this site would have to find a new genre. ;-)

I wouldn't really consider Percy Jackson (which I've never even got started on ^^; ) to be fanfiction myself, but it does raise some questions. It seems inconsistent for a story using Greek gods and myths to be considered literature but a story doing essentially the same thing with Harry Potter to somehow fall outside that category. J.M. Coetzee's Foe could quite easily be considered Robinson Crusoe fanfiction, but I've never heard anyone claim that it's not literature.

I think old menus definitely become historical documents, but it's possible they could also be literature. You said: "in general I see art as something that has an aesthetic value outside of any functional purpose." Someone reading a hundred year old takeaway menu isn't going to use it to order a korma. :XD:
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:p I mean it still exists with that space, as opposed to, say, dropping gods into modern America. I believe the more liberal fanfiction writers can get crap for changing too much stuff nowadays, but it was totally a trend. (Too bad =TheOtherSarshi isn't here, her dissertation is on fanfiction.)

Yeah, once you claim something drawing off ancient sources is fanfic, where do you stop? And I recommend the first book at least for the witty writing. I read the whole series and it's decent, though neither my sister (who's actually in the target range for these books) nor I liked the fifth.

Sure, but they'll probably be studying ancient luxury goods or something :p not to mention it'll help them figure out what a korma is.
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AskYowaneHaku-chan Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
It can be literature as long as it's well written. I've written it before, but I'm not a serious writer, I prefer to draw.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:dummy:
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AskYowaneHaku-chan Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
:meow:
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inknalcohol Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012   Writer
Of course it's lit. Whether or not it's good lit is another question all together.

The way I see it is if there can be suck ass original writing out there that's considered Lit, then a really good piece of fanfic can be Lit too. Even if it's horrible fanfic, someone took the time to come up with the plot and write it. Most times, these "authors" aren't writers, but trying to live out some fantasy. So because they're not professional or seeking critical acclaim their writing can't be considered as Lit. I beg to differ.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmmmm. Makes sense.
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gillianivyart Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Doctor Who. The series has so many different authors, who are all, more or less, avid fans. The ones who write the inspired pieces have a love of the story and characters and often know the nuances well. Of course, with any genre there will be bad writers.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:nod:
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Rovanna Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012   Digital Artist
Depends on what you mean by literature.

My definition: literature is written stuff. e.g. textbooks are referred to as 'the literature' at university. Therefore fanfic is a type of literature
If you are meaning literary fiction vs genre vs commercial then no.
If you're meaning deviantart categories, I would say no. I think it should be separate. It's hard to browse for lit when you keep coming across Beatles slash fic. :|
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm letting you guys define it :P

I KNOW, RIGHT. ARGH. ...I remember like a year ago I could go through essays and actually find some decent stuff. Now, it's just like...fuck this.
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3wyl Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd say it was a bastard son of literature. :B
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:lol:
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TarantulaLdAmn Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It can be literature if it's written well and doesn't ruin the original. I think ~Galaxygoddess said it all so well I don't want to repeat all that has been said already. :B
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:lol: You could define ruining the original!
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TarantulaLdAmn Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well, irrational pairings like we were discussing the other day... :lol: Liiiike Tifa x Genesis. :typerhappy: >_<
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:lol: Yeah.
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TarantulaLdAmn Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
XD
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GalaxyGoddess Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I have to admit that I have written fanfiction, and I believe that it CAN be considered literature if it's well written, and makes sense without destroying the original "universe" it is from. I wouldn't necessarily consider it "great literature" but anything worth reading could easily be considered literature. Hell, even garbage can be considered "literature" to some extent. I think it has something to do with the variety of taste.

I have read a few well-written pieces that were fanfiction, and they do it so well and in such a way, that you'd have to pick at the points that tied it to the original in order to find the "fan" part of it.

If it's really poorly written, destroys the original and makes absolutely no farking sense, I couldn't call it literature. I could call it insane ramblings though.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Why can't fanfiction be great literature? :eyes:

Yeah, those are the ones where I don't get why the author isn't writing original. But that's another debate.
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GalaxyGoddess Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, part of what I consider great, wouldn't rely on a pre-built world. And again, i say this as someone who has done it. Some times you get so inspired by the subject matter that you just want to get involved, which is part of why I wrote it.

I was once told that writing fan fiction is a great way to practice your writing before getting into creating your own little worlds. It allows you to experiment with descriptions because the reader should have some idea of what you're talking about, but eventually you'll need to learn how to stop using the "pre-built" and be able to describe these things yourself without having to rely on a reader's previous knowledge.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmmmm. :O

I basically wrote it with my best friend as part of our awful sense of humor. She read serious stuff for a bit; I never did.
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Leonca Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I would imagine so. You may not be able to do it for a living, but that wouldn’t limit the quality a piece can possess. I’m still a bit uncertain of how to categorize things, as aside from school assignments of years past I probably haven’t read much that would be considered “high literature.”
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