anyhoo, this is the white rabbit. a villain from a recent batman comic....
or as pervy people call her... page 37 from fetishwear catalogue XD
how the hell am i not to make a joke about her...
she even has a friggin ringed collar!
does the action figure come with a ballgag? XD, handcuffs sold separately
i so wish i knew of her before i made this joke
she looks like something i would have drawn as a design in sunstone... hence the obvious joke... which is obvious to this complicated circle of people who both know their dc comics and sunstone...
the rest of you are all like....whaaaa????
Super Villain? *runs up and hugs super villain*
Ok, it's fine to have sexy women in comics, the main target audience is adolescent boys after all, but this character was so dumb! Not only is the design pretty terrible, but the character had nothing too her. Not only that, but there was NO reason to call her 'White Rabbit'. She wasn't associated with The Mad Hatter or the Tweedles, so there was no point other than to stick her in a play boy outfit.
Oh hunny, comics haven't had a main target audience of teenage boys since the 90's.
Obviously this is just the 'Super Hero' genre, there's plenty of comics out there for other demographics, but superheroes were what was being discussed.
Well if you mean you are making up nonsense & me & the objective, demonstrable facts are over here disagreeing with you, then yes.
"Like when DC was apparently running surveys at comic book stores and we're basically ignoring anyone who was not a teenage boy so they could then say 'see, look at these statistics!"
LOL no. The in-store results showed the exact opposite, which is of course why comics pretty much abandoned news stands & why they are now doing everything in their power to appeal to young readers, to the point of losing money with loss leader books. You don't create loss leading properties to attract your main demographic mate, as they are your main demographic & don't need you to create loss leaders. You create loss leaders to build new demographic audiences.
So lets be honest, what really happened was you said something that was demonstrably wrong, you went and looked up some facts you thought you could drop in to the conversation that would school me, only to find out I was right, at which point you tried to pre-empt the use of those facts by trying to pre-emptively poison the well by declaring the data you found to be wrong in a completely unfallsifiable way.
When you say something & you discover you are wrong when someone points it out to you, don't double down mate, the intellectually honest thing is to admit that you were wrong.
So to reiterate: The main demographic for superhero comics hasn't been adolescent boys since the 90's.
Ahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I’ll tell you secret, I DID NO RESEARCH AFTER I READ YOUR POST!!!! The information I have regarding the survey is what I had been previously informed of. Obviously it contradicts the information you’ve been privy too and I have no idea who is right. Maybe you are and the info I have is hyperbole spread from disgruntled fans as to the content of the following story arcs (the White Rabbit appearing around this time, same as the terrible rendition of Starfire in the first few Red Hood issues to name a few). Mabey what I’ve heard is correct and what you’ve heard is a story put out to save face.
I don’t know. I don’t know you or what you do, maybe you’re in the industry and know more about it than me. Maybe you’re an uber fan and know better ways of gaining information about the subject. The point is, I didn’t make it up. I was just repeating what I had previously been informed on with the subject. I don’t know where you got your information on and it is entirely possible that I could find conflicting facts about the subject and the only people who know for sure are the people involved. If it’s false, I’m sorry. You are correct in that I SHOULD have checked my facts before posting anything. It’s a good thing to do, saves one from looking like an idiot. Although in my case I actually AM one, so… eh… (still haven’t bothered to check. I might at some point. Maybe. Perhaps. It’s possible.) You are also correct in that it was a very arbitrary response to your previous comment, so thanks for calling me out on it.
About demographics in super hero comics, though, I find the subject matter clearly aimed at teenagers. I don’t view this as an insult if that’s what is troubling you. Just because something is aimed at a younger demographic doesn’t mean that it’s not enjoyable or handled with maturity with mature themes. I will argue that one of the best tv series produced is Avatar, The Last Airbender. This is an animated series clearly aimed at nine year olds, yet it treats it target demographic maturely and contains great character development and a well thought out story. It’s a simplistic ‘good vs evil story’ with sub themes regarding redemption and forgiveness, but it’s done very well and just because it’s aimed at children doesn’t mean that an adult can’t appreciate or even analyse it.
Same is true for your average super hero comic. At heart, they are your stock standard ‘good vs evil’ escapist fantasy. This doesn’t mean that they can’t be done well or maturely and even tackle more complex themes, but it doesn’t stop them from, ultimately, being aimed at minors or from someone outside of the target demographic from appreciating them.
One of my favourites actually stars The Penguin, ‘Pain and Prejudice’, where the writer and artists manage to make you feel both repulsed and yet sympathetic to the titular character as you witness him care for his ailing Mum and potential love interest while at the same time witnessing the brutal retribution he exhibits upon anyone who displeases him. It’s great story telling and ends with him deciding to amass an army of penguins with bombs attached to them to terrorize Gotham. Where I am reminded that this is aimed at teens and I laugh.
And this is where we are probably going to have to ‘agree to disagree’ because super heroes, no matter the subject matter, always have an air of silliness to them, at least for me. There is always this air of simplicity to the characters and plot ‘G vs E’ with sub plots involving tolerance, family, humanity, angst, all themes important to young teens. And this is fine, I read comics the same way I watch Doctor Who (which is aimed at an even younger demographic of about eight to ten.)
It doesn’t help when writers/artists tend towards immaturity as well. Recalling Avatar, there is a sequel series called the Legend of Korra, which was aimed at a more mature audience. While it does tackle with more mature themes such as PTSD, it ultimately lacks the depth of character of its predecessor and has a penitent for fart jokes making it feel more immature despite the heavier subject matter. The White Rabbit is, essentially, a super hero version of a fart joke. She’s immature and just thrown in there with little thought purely to titillate horny young teens to try to bolster what is a pretty terrible excuse for a story. Again, things like this remind me who the target demographic is and I find myself rolling my eyes or laughing (although, seriously, terrible story!)
Pilot: Ok are you making some of those up?
Joker: Nope they'r all real! Probably worth a google.