Commission done on last Paris Manga in February and recently colored, for my friend Franck Jule. I did enphasis on mythic and epic imginery for this work.
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I learned about that person in history a long time ago in middleschool. Hard to believe how unbelievably sick people were to punish people in the most unthinkably cruel ways back then.
I find it weird that many people portray her in a dress, when she was burned at the stake for wearing male clothes and I quote "Laced tight so as not to raped by her jailors."
It's nasty the sexualisation! The feminization I presume is because she was a lady and they want to show her femininity (and she was quite "feminine" before she left for France if you refer to gender expectations at the time). For "idealized style" portrayals that can work and look very pretty so long as it is respectful, but it is very inaccurate because Joan wore men's clothes and had her hair cut short like a knight's. As for the sexualisation I find it awful that people think "girl" or "woman" and make her look all "sexy" and that's gross and disrespectful especially because Joan was a lady full of strength, intellect, faith and personality and they show none of that and slap her name on some scantily-clad woman, despite the fact that Joan herself was so devoted to chastity and was known as La Pucelle (in English, The Maiden or The Virgin). I do not know what would compel one to do such a thing
Do you think this piece does the latter of these? Feminization certainly in regards to the fit of her armor and her long hair. I don't believe it does the latter, sexualisation, as her armor, though inaccurate, is of a plausible design and covering. Her martyrdom robe would not have had the slit in it for sure (she also had a "heresy hat" and shaved hair) but I think it was put here for "dramatic and cool effect" not at all to be "sexy .
To the artist: This piece has good atmosphere and dramatic effect
I'm not sure many people know this but I've read that a very prolific child predator and serial killer was one of her leading colleagues and generals during this era.
Gilles de Rais...I think he was a good soldier, but...he did awful things to kids, and only got caught when he kidnapped a man of the Church, and then the Catholic Church got involved in a big way, and he was found out. He danced the hangman's jig about a decade after Joan of Arc died in the flames at Rouen. Some sources suggest that Gilles hung around Joan because she was young, and innocent... -shudders violently-
I would be curious to know more about the dynamic. It's odd because it feels to me that Joan was sort of forfeited over to the enemy almost; what with her vanguard being captured at the tale end of an army.
It would seem that he had a network of associates that would abduct children for him; and I question if he was able to be so prolific because he mainly focused on stealing from "nobodies".
I haven't encountered as much as you seem to have; but it wouldn't surprise me that you have a very striking Taoistic Yin/Tang sort of attraction between those two. One said to be very chaste and courageous while the other seems to be the opposite.
I encountered one source that said the man was implicated in trial by some of his own henchman; and it was post soldiering career that he had gotten into demonic worship and child oriented victimization. Which leaves you to ask why?
In your opening sentence, are you referring to her capture at Compiegne?
Yes, I can't say I've looked very deeply into Gilles' history, except for the sensational bits :-P, but yes, I do think that because he grabbed 'nobodies', to coin your phrase, he got away with it for a while. I think he did have henchmen helping, which calls to mind Erzebet Bathory, who had a couple of ladies maids helping her, I think. Can't take my word for it!! :-P
And as for the Yin-Yang approach, yes! I think it's quite likely!! I wonder what he was like as a soldier, because he's only remembered for his acquaintance/friendship with Joan, and the fact that he did icky things to kids in the main.
And as to if he fell into his perverse ways after the war, one would have to wonder WHY? Why after the war? Was it because he'd seen too much horror? Or was it because he fought in the war, and Joan's death, because I think they were kind of close friends, twisted him? I'd like to know, to get into the psyche of this man; was he twisted before the war, or was it only after the war that he fell into depraved acts against people?
Food for thought, eh? I wish I had the answers...it would probably go a long way towards understanding Gilles de Rais, and why he did those things.
Yes exactly, you're asking the same questions I'm left asking about his character. Ultimately I encountered the guy from Neil Gaiman and Clive Barker's writings. Which I then ran into an engraving of him in a book compiled by Umberto Ecco when I was flipping through medieval history.
They also refer to him as "Mr. Fox". Which is a part of the Bluebeard myth if I remember correctly.
To relate Giles de Rai to another fictional character study like "Two Face" portrayed in the recent Batman film; you have a very diligent public servant who has everything and has friends in high places, then loses everything and becomes a fiend.
Also there is an anime series that was released a few years ago called "Berserk" in the American release that is set in medieval times that adresses this kind of topic with one of the lead characters being a potential victim.
So, other people over the centuries have asked pretty much the same questions about Gilles de Rais...curious.
I think, somewhere deep down, we as humans are drawn to the macabre, to the demented, and we wonder as to the motivations of that person, which might explain why we as people are left questioning Gilles' motives.
It's interesting to know that there are sources, or alternate interpretations out there about Gilles de Rais- thanks!!
Yes, thanks for your input on that. The other things I've referenced aren't on necessarily Giles in particular but great evil with what I would consider possible motives. Cheers.
Very nice, i really like the contrast between the seemingly happy life as a peasant girl and the horror as she is burned for heresy ... especially the colors really enhance the mood and symbolism (light/soft ones on the peasant girl, pale, overbright, bleached out as she is burned) ... the one on the right sticks out a bit out as it iuses a similar color code as the left one ... perhaps grey/copper (showing her as a statue to have a left to right chronological order) or dark/red (symbol for blood, fight and war) would increase the effect/mood
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about how dramatic it looks, it's very nice...
Great portrayal..
For "idealized style" portrayals that can work and look very pretty so long as it is respectful, but it is very inaccurate because Joan wore men's clothes and had her hair cut short like a knight's. As for the sexualisation I find it awful that people think "girl" or "woman" and make her look all "sexy" and that's gross and disrespectful especially because Joan was a lady full of strength, intellect, faith and personality and they show none of that and slap her name on some scantily-clad woman, despite the fact that Joan herself was so devoted to chastity and was known as La Pucelle (in English, The Maiden or The Virgin). I do not know what would compel one to do such a thing
Do you think this piece does the latter of these? Feminization certainly in regards to the fit of her armor and her long hair. I don't believe it does the latter, sexualisation, as her armor, though inaccurate, is of a plausible design and covering. Her martyrdom robe would not have had the slit in it for sure (she also had a "heresy hat" and shaved hair) but I think it was put here for "dramatic and cool effect" not at all to be "sexy
To the artist: This piece has good atmosphere and dramatic effect
a mort les rosbifs!
Some sources suggest that Gilles hung around Joan because she was young, and innocent... -shudders violently-
It would seem that he had a network of associates that would abduct children for him; and I question if he was able to be so prolific because he mainly focused on stealing from "nobodies".
I haven't encountered as much as you seem to have; but it wouldn't surprise me that you have a very striking Taoistic Yin/Tang sort of attraction between those two. One said to be very chaste and courageous while the other seems to be the opposite.
I encountered one source that said the man was implicated in trial by some of his own henchman; and it was post soldiering career that he had gotten into demonic worship and child oriented victimization. Which leaves you to ask why?
Yes, I can't say I've looked very deeply into Gilles' history, except for the sensational bits :-P, but yes, I do think that because he grabbed 'nobodies', to coin your phrase, he got away with it for a while. I think he did have henchmen helping, which calls to mind Erzebet Bathory, who had a couple of ladies maids helping her, I think. Can't take my word for it!! :-P
And as for the Yin-Yang approach, yes! I think it's quite likely!! I wonder what he was like as a soldier, because he's only remembered for his acquaintance/friendship with Joan, and the fact that he did icky things to kids in the main.
And as to if he fell into his perverse ways after the war, one would have to wonder WHY? Why after the war? Was it because he'd seen too much horror? Or was it because he fought in the war, and Joan's death, because I think they were kind of close friends, twisted him?
I'd like to know, to get into the psyche of this man; was he twisted before the war, or was it only after the war that he fell into depraved acts against people?
Food for thought, eh?
They also refer to him as "Mr. Fox". Which is a part of the Bluebeard myth if I remember correctly.
To relate Giles de Rai to another fictional character study like "Two Face" portrayed in the recent Batman film; you have a very diligent public servant who has everything and has friends in high places, then loses everything and becomes a fiend.
Also there is an anime series that was released a few years ago called "Berserk" in the American release that is set in medieval times that adresses this kind of topic with one of the lead characters being a potential victim.
I think, somewhere deep down, we as humans are drawn to the macabre, to the demented, and we wonder as to the motivations of that person, which might explain why we as people are left questioning Gilles' motives.
It's interesting to know that there are sources, or alternate interpretations out there about Gilles de Rais- thanks!!
And thank you very much for that discussion
beautiful gift for 600 th anniversary of jeanne d'arc . ^^