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Have you Finished? colored by NachoMon Have you Finished? colored by NachoMon
Yeah, this is the color version. I´ve chosen same color for a more simply comparison between the two types of Space marine. The high-tech armored Terran, and the genetically modified superhuman from Imperium. It seems that Terran marine have just shot all their amunition and Ultramarine sergeant is about to do same...
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maraud Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2019
So it was you who did this, cool
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artphile9 Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2017
So, looking through the replies has been.... entertaining.
The problem is that both sides have flaws in their arguments.
Honestly, yes there are likely more Dominion Marines than Space Marines in any one engagement area. Yes, the Gauss rifles used by the Dominion could damage Space Marine Power armor. However, here's a point missed on both sides. Its not just the Armor that should be factored in here. Yes, both sides get a power boost in the armor. The problem lies in the fact that Space Marines are often Inhumanly durable, taking hits and wounds that would outright kill un-augmented humans. They also have immensely increased reaction times, and far greater than normal human strength even outside their powered armor, no matter what version of the Space Marine you use. They can also heal from some wounds on the field of battle, or at least not bleed to death due to accelerated clotting and secondary heart structure. Also, Space Marine bolters are armor piercing weapons, and i'm pretty sure that the CMC suit won't keep out a bolter round since it is a .75 caliber rocket propelled shaped charge. I mean, they get turned to swiss cheese by their own weapons and spines from Hydralisks, so its not to effective an armor against weapons that can pierce armor.....
Now, I honestly think that this image is being misinterpreted. You see, its Called "Have you Finished?", which implies that the Ultramarine LET the SC marine empty his Gauss rifle into him, and calmly walked up the hill. so, in reality, in a one one one like this, the Ultramarine would win, simply due to toughness. If this had been a full scale engagement, then there are a LOT of dead SC marines on the slope behind him, and there are somewhat fewer but no less dead Ultramarine's behind him.
I like BOTH universes, so I don't want to pick a side. I just found it interesting that Both sides merely focused on the armor and not the soldiers underneath or there weapons or lack of effectiveness thereof. so, yeah. Its still a good picture, and an interesting encounter to ponder.
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Rawflesh0615A Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017
Dominion Marine: You want a piece of me boy?

Space Marine: You heretic scum. 
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undeadt-100 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2016
The outcome of this battle depends heavily on what lore you follow. It is also worth noting that it is infinity easier to train and maintain a sc marine, than a space marine. Finally, warhammer 40k basically runs on the rule of cool, and contains several "elements" that they use to, at times, make literal plot armor. Otherwise a mighty fine drawing.
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AZpeasy Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2016
excellent
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SPARTAN-180 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2015
Sc marine is screwed... Wait. No thats an ultramarine. The terran marine loses because matt ward.
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NachoMon Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015
Yep, with Ward, even a simple servoskull can kick terran´s ass XDDDDD
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SPARTAN-180 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015
All because, deep down, he wants to be an ultramarine
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xavgui Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2016
i would rather be a salamander in my honest opinion
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SPARTAN-180 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2016
And I would rather be a space wolf, because ultramarines are rather, boring.
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xavgui Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2016
who wants to be part of the collegia titanica?
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SPARTAN-180 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2016
If space wolves weren't a thing, I'd love to drive a titan. Or an imperial knight. Those things are ded killy.
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xavgui Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2016
speaking of knights dawn of war 3 has them :D
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lIKrisziuMIl Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015
Ya know, this could use a round 2 with an scv and a dreadnought.
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Ghost1138 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2016
How about a Sister Hospitaller  vs SC Medic?
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adardarnov Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
...This is great. I love the direct comparison. 
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marcioo9 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
AIM IN THE HEAD!!! >.<
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Terenin Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014
Coming back here, I can't help but sigh at all the Space Marine fan-boyz furiously climbing over each other to 'explain' how OP the 40K Marine is.

Hell there are those of you who claim the SC Marine only made 'a dent' in the Ultramarine's armor. A dent is when the bullet basically bounce off the armor and only leaves a small mark on the surface. You know, a 'dent'. These are gaping holes, the armor has been pierced and the suit is not bullet-proof to the SC Marine's weapon. Ergo, a few more marines shooting the Ultramarine would have brought him down.

Secondly, the 1-2 million Space Marines numbers some of you are pandering out? Yeah, let's forget that SM's die in battle on a regular basis, let's forget that it take a long time to replace them, let's forget that some chapters defect to Chaos or go Rogue, taking their whole chapter out of the loyalist pool to start with, and let's ignore that the SM's can't be everywhere at once, you will not have million of marines together in one location.

Your average chapter has 1000 marines, assuming full numbers. That would include the scouts in the 10th company. It's very rare for a chapter o deploy it's full numbers anywhere. So, assuming half the chapter is sent to deal with anything and has no backup from IG forces or other marines, that's 500 marines, on average.

The Terran Dominion alone has tens of thousands of Marines on most planets of any note. Why? Because, Confederate Marine Armor is very easy to make, they have the resources, the tech is widely available, and the recruits are anyone from volunteers and conscripts to prisoners jailed for a variety of crimes. CMA suits are mechanized far more than SM Power Armor, so it really does enhance the wearer's abilities and as an extra bonus it don't require severe male-only bio-augmentations in it's user.

Though you don't see it in-game, you can accept female recruits and female convicts for the use of CME armor, doubling your available recruitment pool.

In short, any factions using CME armor has troopers with basic abilities rivaling Imperial Space Marines, and you have WAY more of them around. Between these two they are by far the easiest force to replace. Recruits are easy to find and the armor is easy to make, plus and damaged suits in the field can be salvaged from your dead troopers - any Imperial Power Armor that is to badly damaged is unsalvegable and thus lost. The tech to make new ones supposedly don't exist anymore.

What am I trying to say? Well, it's simple: All Space Marine fan-boyz, kindly... cool it down. Your beloved ubêrmench marines are damn powerful, but they are not unbeatable. You don't need to devote so much time arguing why anyone that says otherwise are absolutely wrong.
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DisturbiaWolf13 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015
Chapters deploy as a whole when necessary, sometimes multiple chapters at once. I don't suppose you get that many centuries old veterans in the Terran Marines, or that the training is even comparable to begin with. Clear equipment superiority in favour of the space marines. If you let warships into the equation I would probably bet on the space marines with their ships measured in kilometers that carry the planet killing weaponry.
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InfiniteRespect Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
...tell me more about this... Terran Dominion
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The-Harbinger-FA Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014
*Cough* Imperial Guard armoured support *Cough* 

SORRY I COULDN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF A FUCK-LOAD OF BANEBLADES!
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Demondragonsoul Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015
no no no, you got it wrong.......its "Enemies of the Imperium of Man- Whine louder! we cant hear you in here!"-aka:titan legions...not to mention the stanard imerpial gaurd has LASER weaponry, that CAN punch through the armour of marines, not mention in massive engagments the imperial gaurd will simply overhwhelm the marines with sheer lasers flashboiling them alive in their armour, and the visor? easily peirced. enuff said people, the imperium is in a GRIMDARK world...which menas it HAS to be overpowered in order to LIVE a damn DAY....not to mention theyve been doing this for 10,000 YEARS!!!!!

even with their technology IN STAGNATION...arguments done an old, the terran dominion will simply be washed away in a footnote in some scribes long ass parchment pile on terra.
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abediah Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
love it, thank you.
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DarqfangofSeido Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Student Writer
It could be likely that they were both shooting the same enemy and they happened to turn. A stand-off. And both are wondering who the other is and why the same color armor.
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liondie Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2013
from the looks of it the ultramarine hasn't shot at all and the terran marine just went berserk and did nothing to the true space marine, that shows how damn the true space marine is :) 
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Artorius-XV Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014
Ehh, the Ultramarine's armor looks more damaged then that of the Terran Marine.
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Terenin Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
Fun facts:

The 40K Marine needs decades of training and conditioning that can kill him at any time, plus a suit of irreplaceable armor that few know how to make replacements for.

The SC Marine can be trained in a couple years, if they bother training them that long to begin with, can be any John/Jane doe from anywhere, the armor can and is mass-produced because several sources have the know-how and plenty resources to make it.

The 40K Marine is a finite resources in all ways. The SC Marine is replaceable a million times over. By all means, kill him - that damage he did was done by just one. Now add another 99 to the army and let's see who's smug after.

Awesome artwork, as always. I have to say I really love your style in your drawings :)

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I whole-heartedly agree with you. The SC marines aren't as bad as people say. Their armor is capable of deflecting and helping absorb hypersonic rounds that are capable of penetrating two inches of hardened steel. Their armor is also much better when it comes to utilities granted to them. No matter if they're genetically or biologically inferior, their armor makes up for it because the armor had to in order to fight off Zerg and Protoss forces. People calling for Bane Blades are forgetting the massive mechanized force of the SC marines ranging from siege tanks that can be dropped from a Medivac to Thors charging the front lines with both ground and air-superiority. Titans are out of the question because they take so long to produce, are near to impossible to recreate, and could be swarmed down easily by the overwhelming forces of siege tanks, thors, and vikings. Banshees give unparalleled ground support by dropping salvos of missiles onto ground forces while still remaining cloaked.

SC marines are more versatile and their armor is easily capable of stopping the standard Imperial Guardsman's lasgun. Put a SC marine's C-14 (their assault rifle that holds 500 rounds a magazine and fires 30 rounds a second) against a Boltor that is a .75 cal rocket propelled explosive tip, and I think in a close range fight the winner will be the SC marine. Even at range the SC marine would have advantage as they can control the burst of their rifle, and have plenty of ammunition. It's unlikely they would need to charge because of the bountiful magazine capacity they have access to, and Space Marines often times do charge because they have lesser amounts of ammunition (boltor ammo is hard to carry around because of its size and the consequence of their magazines also being bigger). The fanboys of Space Marines are sadly mistaken when it comes to how deadly the SC marines have to be even while being entirely replaceable by any Joe Blow with two arms, two legs, and a semi-functioning brain.

While it's not likely the two marines will never clash against each other, I think both sides are easily capable of stomping each other out. I think it relies more on their strengths and the opposing force attempting to abuse weaknesses of the other force. SC marines have weaknesses as do Space Marines. But hey, in the meantime, I will like both SC and Spess Mehrans equally because I like them both. They're both equally as badass in terms of what they have done to secure their respective sectors.
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The-Harbinger-FA Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014
BAAAAAANE BLAAAAAAADE.
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so SC Marines and just Imperial Guard with light power armour.
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MadnessHorrorandWar Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014
SC Marines might be easier to make, but I'd argue that there are more 40K Marines in existence at any given time since the Terrans in SC are in one sector and the Imperium is spread out across the entire galaxy... in addition to Space Marines, they could also spam IG and Sisters of Battle.
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omegaman255 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013
in addition to other genetic modifications to a Space Marine which include *but not limited to* spiting acid, being able to survive in space without a suit for a few minutes, extra vital organs*e.g. two hearts*, heighten senses, and depending on the chapter other abilities*such as the Space Wolves ability to see in perfect darkness and the possession of wolf like fangs*; a single Space Marine can take on whole hordes of opponents without breaking a sweat. "Only in death does duty end". As well as a Bolt is about the size of a tightly clenched fist, as well as it's a mass reactive shell which is designed to burrow into a target and then explode. In close combat a Space Marine is without parallel, whether they use the standard chain sword, or the fiercesome thunder hammer which disrupts solid matter on impact*suck it gravity hammer*. I doubt that a Starcraft Marine could do much damage to a Space Marine, let alone a squad of Ultra Marines.
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Raidose Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
Add in one final caveat that Astartes Armor is multilayered with Ceramite, Plasteel, and of course Adamantium. The first being an alchemical God-send, being so non conductive of heat that it allows ships to breach planet-orbit ad infinitum without any real ware on the hulls. The second, a synthetic compound with the strength of steel and the weight of plastic. Both of which the Terran Marine's little pewpew gun seems to have done well against. That Adamantium underneath it all though, a metallic compound of such incredible strength that once crafted, the Adeptus Mechanicus can not disassemble it, and has allowed it's wearers to make blind charges against entrenched enemies through waves of heavy bolter fire, seems to have held out just fine. Infact, not a single puncture anywhere to be seen, really, and that's what counts.

On the other hand, we have the gorilla-like Terran Marine. And as any player of Star Craft knows, their armor holds all the protective value of styrofoam in their own universe and can't even really hold up against their own damn weapons. 

Though this does leave one question. Why didn't he aim for the head?
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omegaman255 Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014
he's not going to live to regret it, thats for sure.
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SenInt Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And yet, the SC Marine's skull cannot stop a .50 cal bullet... so true...
And how many SC Marines are needed to conquer a planet? 100 40k marines do those jobs easily...
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LordofChairs Featured By Owner Edited Dec 9, 2014
it's actually a .75 cal I believe with heavy bolters getting to around 1.0 cal.
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voider00 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2015
It's a 1 cal and has explosive tip. Its basically a small rocket.
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LordofChairs Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015
Only the heavy bolter is a 1.0 cal. A standard bolter is a .75.
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voider00 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015
ohhhhh crap
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SenInt Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I wasn't talking about bolter caliber (even though I knew that caliber already...) ^^; I was thinking about .50 cal Browning...
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TheMostSpoonyestBard Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The Ultramarine wins the fight. The end. The chorus swells and everyone in the Imperium lives happily ever after!
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GrandArtifice Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
From the looks of it, the Ultramarine hasn't fired a shot....Yet.

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omegaman255 Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
the difference here is that a Bolt Pistol will do more than leave a dent
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SirRinge Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Actually, it won't leave much at all...
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metalsnake005 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
I just want 2 see how this end :3
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Sidhre Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013
they kill each other
the end :3
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metalsnake005 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013
nuff said
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zibzero777 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
Not to mention their primarchs.... they are so badass! i read their novels though.....
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switch014 Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013
Games workshop created the primarchs for the fluff because they didn't think think that legions of space marines, 10,000 Custodians and supposedly the greatest living being ever to exist was OP enough.
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