The hypocrisy of deviantArt
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Edit #5
Well, I'll be damned
Staff reply here: comments.deviantart.com/1/7310…

And we WON! We did it!
and my comment here: comments.deviantart.com/1/7310… stating why this is still up

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Edit #4: Iran is geobanned too see here Imagine!
Bravo deviantart, bravo, I applaud you
:clap:

Please share this, every bit of support counts. I am probably getting my account perma banned after this journal, but I am voicing this discrimination and I want as many people to see it as possible. 
I know people will have various opinions about this. Voice them as you please, but politics shouldn't meddle with art. This isn't fair. This isn't right. You can't deny me service because some politician says so.

Edit: feb 17th: There's a change.org petition now too! Please help us sign it. We made a difference, we made dA staff respond, let's take it one step more please! We can make a difference!
www.change.org/p/the-people-fo…

staff response:
comments.deviantart.com/1/7310…


Edit #2: for all of you saying dA is abiding the regulations, please read this:
Untitled by Mythiril

evidence!
comments.deviantart.com/1/7310…
the sanctions are a bullshit excuse

Edit 3: For all of you going US regulations, no they aren't: please see here


i have another link for you www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/dat…

It shows without a doubt that it has nothing to do with US sanctions



especially this part:

The Israeli Trading with the Enemy Ordinance - 1939 (the “Ordinance”) prohibits any Israeli person from trading goods with enemy countries or with the residents of enemy countries. The Israeli Ministry of Finance, which is responsible for implementing the Ordinance, has currently determined enemy countries to be Iran, Lebanon and Syria (“Israeli Sanctioned Countries”). The Ordinance was enacted in 1939 and does not expressly address online services. We therefore cannot state with certainty how the provisions of the Ordinance apply to the type of services that we provide.

Lebanon is the only Israeli Sanctioned Country that is not also a U.S. Sanctioned Country. We have ceased providing services to users with a GEOIP address in a U.S. Sanctioned Country. The number of users and premium subscribers that we have in Lebanon is not material to our business, however, if we stop providing services in Lebanon, it may decrease the number of our current and future subscribers from other countries, particularly in the Middle East, who may cease using our services in protest to us blocking accounts in Israeli Sanctioned Countries.
In addition, if it is determined by a competent court that sanctions under the Ordinance cover the type of services that we provide, we, our officers and employees may be subject to criminal and/or civil actions. We believe that our initiation of voluntary discussions with the Israeli Ministry of Finance may reduce such exposure, but any liability to which we are subject to could adversely affect our personnel, brand and reputation.




ANYWAY, the story:

So, deviantART greets you with its regular:

The World's Largest Art Gallery In Your Hand. DeviantArt is the largest online social community for artists and art enthusiasts, allowing people to connect through the creation and sharing of art. We entertain, inspire, and empower the artist in all of us.

Except nope, you only empower a selected few, but ban others under the claim of 'obeying laws' all of a sudden.

So, whenever I try login to deviantArt, this is what i see:



Untitled by Mythiril




all good so far, yeah?

Untitled by Mythiril

Nope bitch, I am forbidden from accessing the site.

Why, you might ask? Why would someone who has a reputation of being helpful and kind to people, someone who hosted projects and helped around be banned from site? What on earth did you do Julian?

Simply, I live in a country that isn't approved by America.

I live in Syria, yeah, that shithole where civil war and ISIS are happening.

Proof I'm geobanned?
sure thing

Untitled by Mythiril


^ notice the date? march 2017 -solidmars- is my old username here if you're unfamiliar with it -also my phone/laptop were already logged in so i didn't notice the issue , but i noticed on my pc cuz i bought a new machine at that time

and this is the reply:

Untitled by Mythiril

Glorious, isn't it?

"We have to comply with regulations"

Oh yeah? after 8 years of having sanctions imposed on us? Now you want to comply?
Bigger sites, such as Patreon, Artstation, tumblr, facebook, youtube, google, instagram, etc etc has no issues what so ever.
Even fucking patreon is fine!

The hypocrisy knows no limit here, it seems.

Nine years of war couldn’t break us. We still live, breathe and survive day by day. I’m not a soldier, mind you, nor a hero. I didn’t fight in battles, I didn’t lose like others have lost. I’m a normal individual who’s unfortunate enough to be living under war, but also lucky enough not to be driven out of home nor get killed by a stray bullet.

I know lots of you think of war as game, or a battlefield for glory. It’s not.

It doesn’t matter who you are, you’re only worth a bullet.

My name is Julian, I’m a Syrian artist. The war in Syria started when I was 17 years old and it’s been ongoing since with no end in sight. Life is rough, we struggle to meet ends meet these days. A lot of things changed, infrastructure is half gone, basic everyday needs like electricity is near gone as well, but we’re alive ya know?

Everyone keeps telling me I should be living the best years of my life right now, except, I fail to see that. War has robbed me from what was supposed to be the years where I mature and grow in peace, gain the experience that comes with going to university and meeting people from all over the country, but I feel robbed of that too.

I did grow up, different. I matured forcefully while balancing a thin line between life and death, fear, and the collapse of what I once called normal life. I’ve seen people die, I lost friends, family, I went days waking up in bunkers and dreading the thought of going outside, more days went without electricity nor water because the infrastructure was blown to bit, and some other days only a few meters separated me from death.

But here I am, a university graduate, proud of the bachelor degree I hold. I made it despite all the odds and danger, I survived. But war eventually took a toll. There’s only so much a person can take before the world comes crashing down, and then there was despair. I didn’t know how to handle it, everyone was in the same hell as me, but then I picked up my pen.

I coped through art. For years, it has been my everything. I grew up as an artist too when I joined the DeviantArt community. I met artists from all over the world and shared their experience and called the site my home. Yes, you know DeviantArt? That big international platform for everyone from all over the world? 

For 8 years, I posted my work on deviantart, before the war was even a thing, shared the good and the bad, received support, encouragement, love, met some of my best friends there. A lot of people had so much impact on my life and helped me survive.

That is gone now too.

As of march 1st, 2017, DeviantArt banned Syria from accessing its services entirely. All geoIPs in the country have been blocked from entering the site, under the justification of USA sanctions over Syria.But that was an easy thing to pass around, just needed a VPN to pass the login authentication and you're good and it was alright, I continued to function on site normally. But as of February 12th 2018, dA has changed the authentication and now unless I am tunneling through a VPN the entire time, I am geobanned from site for good because I live in a warzone.

Not so international anymore ha?

Yes, I can go somewhere else, but this isn't right!


I am not the only one affected, there are others. I am speaking out. I refuse to be the scapegoat of this mad politics and mad war.

Fuck you big time DeviantArt.
Fuck your discrimination

This is ART damn you, not some politics playground



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SilentViperFanPL's avatar
So, did you get access now?
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GOLDENHORUS's avatar
GOLDENHORUS|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey Didn't work I still have to use VPN to log in
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Mythiril's avatar
Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah dude, you're in Egypt not Syria.
It's probably your isp blocking the site not the other way around. 
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GOLDENHORUS's avatar
GOLDENHORUS|Hobbyist Digital Artist
No I masked my Location on the hope of pay passing it I even made art supporting Israel nothing worked...
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Mythiril's avatar
Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
:lol: dude
 i dunno honestly, i can log in just fine, i just tried. doesn't seem to be anything wrong. 
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Tnynfox's avatar
Tnynfox|Student General Artist
Deviantart has been deeply cowardly in both starting and (mostly) ending its part in the sanctions. This scares me how cowardly they are. At least we did it.
Meanwhile Deviantart allows the Tunisian ISIS supporter BaghdadiAdnani to stay here and post propaganda, while Twitter allows official North Korea propaganda accounts.
Previously Apple reversed their ban on Iranian apps.

With new US sanctions on Iran, let's hope to reverse any cowardice that happens.
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
yeah
i agree with that
it's hilarious how cowardly they are. 
luckily we did win this one, but they didn't change their ways
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Tnynfox|Student General Artist
Sanctions Compliance Cringe Compilation! Code.Google, Adobe, Nvidia all do the Geoblock fetish and much more! Cue the utter absence of Patreon in any part of the Sanctions Compliance at all! Let's hope we run out of material for that cringe compilation.

Although a cowardly management is a pretty serious problem - what if someone pressured Deviantart to censor content they merely found offensive, or a user they had a personal grudge against? At the same time Deviantart allows borderline porn and Daesh supporters that don't get front page attention. But they're working - a porn profile I reported once was gone next morning. Maybe we'll get better management that isn't as cowardly.
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
dA changed the reporting system. Now you require mass reporting like facebook or twitter to get their automated bot to do anything, meaning if someone runs a script that repeatedly reports someone even if it's false, you'll get your content censored. 

and yeah geoblocking fetish. You'd think they learned after the shitstorm this journal caused, but nope. They went ahead and geoblocked cuba 
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Brandoch-Daha|Hobbyist General Artist
DA should stand up for people. These types of sites (and my old, now defunct music site, ACID Planet) do nothing except bring the people of the world together. They should take a stand and insist on doing the right thing in all things. I meet more interesting people from all countries and walks of life here on these sites, which only creates a global community. 
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
well, i won after i caused a pr nightmare, so there's that :shrug: 
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Brandoch-Daha|Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, well, good for you, for sure. The rest of us forget how lucky we are to have lived untouched by the mess that some of the world is in. And it was decent of them to listen, too, I suppose, because it's easy to turn a blind eye.
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ArtCendrum|Hobbyist Digital Artist
While, according to my own and personal opinion and judgment, you've been a little too unkind to the staff for my taste (not that I can't understand the issues you had and the anger they caused), I do believe you should keep this up in memoriam (while of course giving credit to the staff for solving the problem, because you're treating it as a battle against them which I think is unfair. It doesn't seem to me as though the staff has "lost".)
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
you're late to the party :shrug: 
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ArtCendrum|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Am I? I seem to have read you kept this up because the site wasn't up yet
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
very late to the party. 
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SenshiStock|Hobbyist Photographer
WOW I am just hearing about this now! I am so happy DA was able to make it so you and others can come back. 
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
thank you
and yes, i am glad i won
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Xx-NellaTheFox-xX|Student Digital Artist
man that sucks >:/
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
yeah but we won, so there's that
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Xx-NellaTheFox-xX|Student Digital Artist
I know we won and i am glad O(≧∇≦)O
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Michawolf13|Hobbyist General Artist
:heart:
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Mythiril|Hobbyist General Artist
:heart: 
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A long time ago, Pandora stopped streaming music to Canadians, no matter if you had a premium account or number of years using the service.. All of a sudden one day, pooof, no more music for me.

Music is my life.  I listen basically 24/7.  I'm just trying to say here, that music is super important to me personally.  I could care less about movies or TV, to me, music is my everything. 

I wrote an email to the administrators and they explained in more detail as to why, licensing restrictions etc.  And explained that perhaps in the future they could offer their service to Canada.. but in no way were they able to allow me to continue listening to music on Pandora dot com.

What did I do?

Accepted it and moved on to a service that would stream to Canadians.

Move on. Find a proxy, another service, or move residence. [shrugs]
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