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I understand that I'm a little bit late on this one. Many people have been talking about this event for about a couple of weeks now. A Google Doc, which now totals over 70 pages, was released by former Channel Awesome/That Guy With The Glasses contributors, detailing many of their awful experiences with the site's management was released on April 2nd, which can be found here: docs.google.com/document/d/1WZ…

They also released a condensed version, boiling the 73+ page document down to eleven main points: docs.google.com/document/d/1d7…

And if reading isn't much your style, the entire main document was read on livestream by Fredrick Kundsen, who does a series of videos called "down the rabbit hole" in which he talks about concepts and stories that seem to get bigger and bigger the more you uncover: [link]

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A lot of people have been asking me my opinions on this situation, and that's definitely understandable. In my earlier days I used... way too many Nostalgia Critic clips in my videos, and I've never been shy of saying that Doug Walker was an inspiration of mine. I think it was even a couple of years back that I applied to be on the website. I didn't get in, of course, but more and more that seems to be a good thing.

I was reluctant to add to this conversation for several reasons. The first and most prominent one is one that I still think does kind of apply - I don't know how much that I could contribute to this conversation. I don't know if I could offer a new perspective or new information. But beyond that, I was waiting for Doug Walker's or Channel Awesome's response to this. Something more premeditated that that stupid twitter statement (which we will talk about). I waited until Tuesday when they usually posted their new video on their website... and it was just a typical episode. Then on Wednesday, they didn't even post it to their YouTube channel. But later that night, on the website, they posted essentially a blog post: channelawesome.com/our-respons… which was kind of... a final straw with me. It was a final straw with a lot of people. The third reason that I didn't want to contribute to this conversation is some fading hope that the people involved would perhaps make the right decision.

People keep asking me what I feel about this situation. I'm still trying to wrangle that. There are the common emotions - anger, sadness, broken pedestal, etc. But there are other things too, a fleeting hope that the people behind this will make the right decision but the knowledge that even if they did it at this point it would be too little too late. Let me state under no uncertain terms, and with full disclosure that Doug Walker, and by extension, Channel Awesome has been a monumental inspiration to me throughout my entire career. I can fully guarantee that I would not be doing what I am doing today without his influence. 

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The "Our Response" post was indeed my last straw. The last holdout of hope that the right thing would happen was shot down. So, they're following up their "we're sorry you feel that way" post by not apologizing, but trying to debunk the Not So Awesome document. That's a tall order, putting it mildly. As it stands, there are 73 pages of accusations, multiple corroborated stories, screenshots, and even more evidence provided in people's response to the response. But alright.

This is one of the most pathetic rebuttals that I have ever seen. Even if all 73 pages of that document are bunk, this rebuttal is so poorly put together in the flimsiest attempt at anything that I've ever seen. My favorite part of this entire blog post is this:

"ACCUSATION – Holly Brown makes numerous accusations throughout the document.

FACT – Holly Brown is a former employee and shareholder who was allowed to resign. Unfortunately her accusations are not true and are vindictive in nature."

That's... really what you're going with? You're going with the "fake news" defense. Really? Like... really? Ignoring anger or annoyance or whatever, I'm just... baffled. She was allowed to resign... Okay, that's good, she was not a slave by the technical definition. All employees, by definition, are allowed to resign. That doesn't make it okay to treat them like shit. I mean, wasn't the website founded during the Great Recession, when it was painfully difficult to find even a low paying job?

"Unfortunately her accusations are not true and are vindictive in nature" Okay... why should I believe you over her? Can you prove some kind of malice or falsehood.  It really is pathetic. Maybe you're right and these aren't true and vindictive. You don't give me any reason to believe you. She provided more details, and events that have been corroborated.

"ACCUSATION – Holly Brown alleges CEO Michael Michaud, is sole owner of the Nostalgia Critic IP.

FACT – The IP is owned by Channel Awesome, Inc. The partnership is owned by four individuals with a 5th person joining ownership by the end of the year."

Is this what you told Doug to get the IP from him, Mike? The IP is owned by Channel Awesome. Michael Michaud is the CEO of Channel Awesome. It's interesting, at no point do you say that Doug owns the IP. The document, if you read it, states that Doug is seen only as talent. Is he one of the four individuals? If he is, it should be an easy thing to prove. Maybe a document showcasing the current ownership of the IP.


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No, wait, my favorite is this one -

"ACCUSATION – A few content partners alleged a misogynistic work atmosphere by Channel Awesome.

FACT – Channel Awesome’s current and former female staff, including Tamara Chambers, Rachel Tietz, Aiyanna Wade, and Heather Reusz, have had vastly different experiences than the ones described. We are always trying to improve ourselves both personally and professionally and moving forward we will implement mandatory sensitivity training for all staff to ensure we maintain a culture of respect for all employees."

You know what they did here, right? They played the "I'm not racist because I have black friends" card. Okay, so these women had different experiences. How does that negate the experiences of the other ones? I want to point out that the beginning of this response said that they could only reply to the most egregious accusations. You'd think that if these accusations were so "egregious", they'd have more to say in their own defense. Also, for a site with no misogynistic work atmosphere, they do spend a disproportionate amount of time trying to "debunk" their female accusers.

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"ACCUSATION – The document talks about the drop in traffic to the site.

FACT – While we did have an initial drop after the switch to Demo Reel, the real hit to the site’s traffic came from our growing presence on YouTube. When we relaunched the Nostalgia Critic show in January of 2013, Blip.tv decided to start placing the full episode up on the LeagueofSuperCritics channel a week after we launched it on Thatguywiththeglasses.com.

As we grew on LeagueofSuperCritics more and more viewers decided to watch it on YouTube instead of our site. The biggest blow to site traffic came before the downfall of Blip.tv. While we won’t go into full details, we were forced to abandon the LeagueofSuperCritics channel and instantly start achannelthatsawesome in May, 2015. This is the point when traffic began to quickly drop off our site (now Channelawesome.com). One of the biggest accusers stated that they might still be on the site if the views were there. As stated by Kaylyn below:"

I love how you try to obscure what the complaint was about. The complaint was that the NC was killed off without telling any of the contributors until it actually happened, leaving contributors afraid of their future security now that the flagship series was over. "Blip.tv decided to start placing the full episodes..." Blip.tv, did that, huh? Something they've done for no one off of ThatGuyWithTheGlasses that I've heard of. I guess it's okay if you lie about something if they're dead and can't argue against your version of events.

However, "Blip.tv decided to start plaving the full episode up on the LeagueofSuperCritics channel a week after we launched it on Thatguywiththeglasses.com". First of all, they uploaded truncated versions of the episodes. For example, the Pearl Harbor review was uploaded without many of the Michael Bay skits. Secondly... nowadays you upload videos on YouTube only one day after you upload them on your site. How is that... better for failing traffic? You do understand that getting people views was your main purpose for existing, right? That's why people wanted to be a part of you. 

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I could keep going on, but every single defense, every single defense... is bullshit. "Allison Pregler says that everyone was miserable during To Boldly Flee so we're going to show you a clip of her saying the opposite on that very DVD." You do know that even the biggest Hollywood actors don't shit talk even the most miserable filming experiences right when it's released, right? "We let everyone know that the Anniversary specials aren't compensated". Well, did you let them know that food and water wouldn't be provided in the fucking desert? You know that phrase "adding insult to injury?" Well, this repeatedly comes across as Channel Awesome getting accused for insulting and injuring people, and then arguing that they didn't insult anyone while someone is bleeding directly behind them.

At times I have to wonder if this is a joke, a tongue-in-cheek "we don't give a shit" message, because whoever wrote this clearly does not give the slightest bit of shit. If you're not sorry then don't say you're sorry. Saying nothing would have been a better move. Maybe you would have known this if you didn't fire your PR person. Instead, by not owning up to anything, you're essentially saying that you did not make a mistake for ten years. That is fucking insane. Everyone fucks up in a ten year time span. I can't think of a content producer who has been around for ten years that hasn't made a single mistake. I've fucked up in a five year time span.

Take James Rolfe. There's a reason that the Cheetahman II scandal didn't kill him off. His apology for the situation is here: cinemassacre.com/2012/08/12/ch…. He actually admits that he made a mistake and didn't fully understand the situation. It's understandable. Angry Joe has made plenty of mistakes in his career, but there's a reason that no one is seeing him as hypocrite for his departure from the website.

One thing that people look for in a statement like this is some semblance that you've learned from your mistakes. And your mistakes boil down to one key flaw - pride. That you see yourself as the top of the hill and you can do anything. This response comes from someone who sees themselves as the top of the hill and that should be able to get away with anything.

"Have we made mistakes? Yes, we have. We even discuss some of our challenges in our behind the scenes videos. We’ve always focused on trying to entertain our viewers, shine spotlights on unknown talent and share our attention with various charities – and we hope to continue to do so moving forward."

Okay... which mistakes did you make. Which flaw, even the tiniest little flaw, did you have that you are learning from going forward. Anything. Anything at all. Saying "we have made mistakes" doesn't work unless you make some kind of admission. It just looks like you're trying to get the praise of "learning from your mistakes" without the cost of having made those mistakes. It doesn't work that way.

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Even after all of this, it's amazing how much you've missed the fucking point. Like, I've seen internet scandals before. When they happen, people tend to be cheerful and happy as the tyrant falls to the ground. But throughout all of this, everyone I've spoken to just wanted you to be better. They didn't want you to die. It wasn't #KillTheChannel, it was #ChangeTheChannel. They were more willing and ready to forgive than I've ever seen. Even many of the contributors who brought these accusations to the table, the ones you've claimed were "disgruntled individuals with vindictive intentions." 

But you gave them nothing.

Once upon a time, you stood for something to people. It gets harder and harder each day to see what that was, as your actions now taint those of the past. People have been telling you to let go of the shovel, and yet you just keeping deeper and deeper and deeper, like you're going to get somewhere. Where do you think that this is going to end? You're hemorrhaging your audience, your web traffic continues to fail, and now you're even losing advertisers. Tell me, where does it end?

"We’ve always focused on trying to entertain our viewers, shine spotlights on unknown talent and share our attention with various charities – and we hope to continue to do so moving forward"

Shining a spotlight on unknown talent? Yeah, maybe if they get a crossover with the Nostalgia Critic, never. Share you attention with various charities? I don't think that now is the best time for that.

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One thing that does keep coming up is that people hold out hope that this is all Mike Michaud's doing. He's obviously the biggest problem. The thing that sparked all of these problems, and the one that needs to go. If I was ever to resubscribe to Channel Awesome, then Mike would certainly have to be fired from the company. That is bare minimum that needs to happen. However, as repeatedly stated, Doug is not entirely innocent.

After all, the reason that this response is the straw that broke the Camel's back is that Doug has been posting this to his social media. I don't know what would be worse, if he did read it or if he still had such blind faith in Michaud that he didn't. The post was very clearly not written by Doug. Even though it was credited by "Channel Awesome" it doesn't use any of the word choices or the tone that Doug does, even when he is very serious. However, by linking to it on his own personal media, I can only assume that he agrees with it.

Up until that moment, I was willing to see Doug has someone trapped in an unwinnable situation. I was willing to see Mike as one of those con jobs who tricks niave up-and-comers into signing over their creations. When you start getting big, you get all of these emails and messages from unscrupulous people trying to sign you just to take advantage of you. And who knows, Mike Michaud might still be one of those people. Sees that Doug was rising up in fame back in 2008, get him to hand over everything on promises.

If you're wondering, in my eyes, the... moral thing would have been to drop the Nostalgia Critic then and there and try something new. (It probably would have been a bad business decision, but... considering how the "correct business decision" is turning for them, well...) I would have given anything a chance, because I wanted to believe that Doug was sheltered from any and all of this. I still do want to believe that, but that's just denial. Mike Michaud, according to the ThatGuyWithTheGlasses wiki, has been a part of this since 2008. It's been 10 years exactly. Ten years is a very long time to not see that someone is a problem.

On one level, I can respect sticking up for your friends. On the other hand, Mike Michaud is a kind of person that no one should consider their friend. If you surround yourself with people made of shit, sooner or later, you are going to get covered in shit. Doug, you might think that Mike is a loyal friend and someone who has your best interest at heart, but all I can really say is that I'm sorry you feel that way.

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If there's something to say in all of this, or a lesson to be learned in all of this... I'm still trying to figure out what that all is. You know, besides the obvious cliches like "pride cometh before the fall" or obvious things, like "treat your employees with respect." Well, things that should be obvious. But I'll try.

As a creator:

Try your best to do your best. At some point you're going to make mistakes. It inevitable, but you need to know how to address them and how to learn from them, and pretending that you're infallible and that you don't make mistakes doesn't do either. You need to know that as you grow, you're going to need to constantly change and evolve. And that's not just with the quality of your content. As you start hiring people, who need to begin to understand the give and take of that relationship. You need to understand the new needs that come up as you grow larger, more than just reaching to new advertisers. You need to do research into what is required, or hire someone who has.

There is always a better person that you can be, a better creator that you can be. Not striving for that is a choice, and it is a choice that will be your downfall. The end of a reputation always has one common denominator, the thought that they were untouchable. You're not. You will never be untouchable. It's not a spire that you can achieve. It's not a spire worth achieving. As a creator, especially an entertainer, it is your job to make people's day-to-day lives just a little bit easier, more enjoyable, if only for a brief moment. That responsibility does not stop at your audience.

As the inspired:

One question that often comes up in a situation like this is "how could I like that guy, what he made, or what he stood for?" These are often mixed in with feelings of guilt or betrayal. I'm not going to deny you your feelings, but I don't think that these are useful emotions for this endeavor. The person may have been a lie, act, or illusion, but the values that they espoused, and what they meant to you personally, that was real. Those are values you can still hold, those you can still try to achieve. Don't let a liar or a charlatan take them away from you. 

As the audience:

Another feeling of guilt may be the guilt of liking something made by someone who has done something wrong. You should never feel guilt for what you truly earnestly like. It's not in your control. You have to remember that bad art can be made by good people, and good art can be made by bad people. Many of your favorite books, movies, or music was probably made by someone with a checkered past. There's nothing immoral about enjoying the creations made by even the worst person.

Supporting them is a bit more of a difficult question, and there's no objective answer. I know that there are many people who will keep watching the Nostalgia Critic and not care about any of this drama. And, I think that that's fine. I don't find it immoral or whatever. Once again, you can't change what you like. And with a ten year span of work, I'm sure that a lot of people have a lot of great memories watching and enjoying the Nostalgia Critic or anything else coming from Channel Awesome. It's not my right to deny people that.

All I really ask for those in that camp is not to deny reality. Bad things happened behind the scenes. That is objective fact at that point. It's opinion on whether or not that affects what happened in front of the scenes. If it's bad enough to tarnish your view of what happened in front of the scenes, I understand. If you're going to the site every Tuesday, no matter what happens, I understand that too. And I understand everything in the middle, if you find a way to watch the content without supporting the administration.

I would ask a couple of favors though on both sides. If you do keep watching the content, please don't go telling the other content creators. I'm okay with writing the previous paragraph because I Channel Awesome's management did not affect me at all.

If those who refuse to support Channel Awesome, don't harass the few remaining contributors on the website. You don't know why they're still holding out, and it's not really in your business as to why they do so. And don't harass the people who still choose to watch. Enough people are leaving of their own volition to do serious damage to the website and their reputation. Their website's traffic is tanking, they're losing their sponsors, they continually lose subscribers and they'll lose even more with their next half-assed attempt at an apology, they're too afraid to upload to their YouTube page, and when they finally do, it's not like YouTube is going to promote them for very long. A couple of commenters still enjoying the episodes coming out isn't going to change anything in the grand scheme.

P.S. Also, you guys really couldn't afford an HTTPS server? Come on, my website has an HTTPS server. It's not hard to get one, or even that expensive. If you could buy a website like Channel Awesome, you can get a goddamn HTTPS

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lunchymunchies Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018
Why did you bring up an HTTPS server? What does that matter?
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ellejohn Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2018
I quit frequenting That Guy With the Glasses immediately after Obscurus Lupa was unfairly booted off. This whole thing comes off as very overdue karma.
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princessbinas Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I did not know about this until recently since I did not watch the Nostalgia Critic often, just sporadically. Now, I am unsubscribed and I never want to watch Channel Asshat again.

One thing for sure is, by looking at that document, I can tell that you are way better than they were, Mr. Enter. You came to the scene after 2008 and you improved a lot in a span of a few years. You listened to the criticism and bettered yourself. You sought to correct the flaws that you knew about like unnecessary anger and calling out individual creators of bad episodes/movies. You have become better, Channel Awesome did not get better. They buried stuff and, if I am processing it right, blackmailed their workers into saying nothing. Before I knew about this situation, I felt Channel Awesome was stagnate and had 80% of new content being pointless skits (like the Wonder Woman "review," which was nothing more than a skit, no review despite being titled "review"). You gave honest titles, even the April Fool's Food Fight review (still honest as they shared the same name, sadly).

Overall, I hold you in high regard as a reviewer. I learned quite a bit about writing from your Animated Atrocities. You said something among the lines of "It's easy to explain why a machine is broken."
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ShadowBird707 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2018
The last Nostalgia Critic is apparently "Fievel Goes West".  That's a strange one to end it on but so was Scooby Doo. :/ 

As bitter as I am at the Walkers right now, I hope they crush Michaud's ass in court.  That guy's gotta pay!
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Roxanne13579 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Doug may have left Channel Awesome and there's rumours the Walkers are going to sue Michaud. The saga continues...

Also, the stuff around Justin Carmichael, man :/ I don't know what to think anymore
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princessbinas Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope that is true. It will show that Mike got his just desserts.
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Roxanne13579 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Agreed yeah
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PunchieTheNeko Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2018  Student Artist
I think it's safe to assume that Channel Awesome is too far gone to change for the better now... That's definitely a shame...
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xXXMizanXXx Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They're so afraid of losing the Nostalgia Critic IP it seems like but, really, Doug could turn his back on all of this and just create his own new persona to review movies with. 

I think it'd be better than desperately trying to resolve a situation that's clearly not making anyone happy just to keep the IP.
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Razaphael Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd hold out on the DW judgment right now. Doug might be contractually obligated to support CA regardless of his personal opinion. I used to work for a similar platform, and all of the personalities and creatives had pre-2008 clauses about their social media, before laws were made to protect them. All the same, Michaud is a piece of shit, and I'm leery of Rob at the moment, if he really does have executive power. Thing is, at a lot of these websites 'Executive' positions are often INO, with little power. I'm hoping that the Walkers are both merely victims, but in Rob's case it's getting more and more debatable.
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xXXMizanXXx Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes I understand. I'm waiting to see what role Doug played in this whole mess, if any. It's kinda hard to believe he could be so mean a person ya know? 
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Razaphael Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
oh no I fully understand
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SuperSonicUniverse Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
If you made a video just reading thos post it would probably get a ton of views...
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zenkai97 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
Honestly, your journal best explains the whole situation better than most posts or videos that I seen. The only thing that I am more concerned about is what will Channel Awesome do now and who is really at fault?

While it is wrong to point fingers, I felt that some people need to take charge to do something about this situation. I really do not want to hate on Doug Walker as he "seems" to be a good person and I really like the Nostalgia Critic. However, I do not want to associate this with the series. I only hope that Doug is just in a dirty dilemma between having a job and going against this controversy because I do not want the Nostalgia Critic be the new Logan Paul or like when Pewdiepie made some similar controversy.
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Razaphael Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd hold out on the DW judgment right now. Doug might be contractually obligated to support CA regardless of his personal opinion. I used to work for a similar platform, and all of the personalities and creatives had pre-2008 clauses about their social media, before laws were made to protect them. All the same, Michaud is a piece of shit, and I'm leery of Rob at the moment, if he really does have executive power. Thing is, at a lot of these websites 'Executive' positions are often INO, with little power. I'm hoping that the Walkers are both merely victims, but in Rob's case it's getting more and more debatable.
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zenkai97 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2018
Me too. I really did hope that is the case.
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quintex96 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
I can still watch and enjoy NC, but damn is it frustrating to see another video site go down the tubes(before CA, the Escapist also had a downfall and exodus of talent, mainly because the site owner turned out to be friends with that bigot Milo and was even part of his company).

I think Michaud is blackmailing Doug somehow.

Also surprised you didn't say anything about the revelations of Jew Wario being a sexual predator, that was a bombshell I never saw coming.
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PunchieTheNeko Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2018  Student Artist
I think the JW thing is a whole other situation to cover separately.

But seriously, I'm right there with you. Learning about that via Marzgurl, about someone I respected and felt bad for due to his suicide... Holy fuck.
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PsychoDemonFox Featured By Owner Edited Apr 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
As someone who spent a lot of time on the Escapist, I can’t help but agree with the comparison. Nowadays the only thing keeping me on is Zero Punctuation and the forums.

And that revelation... I still can't wrap my head around it. I swear this year has given me some serious emotional scars and trust issues...
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gorillazfan1992 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018  Student General Artist
Looking back in hindsight, it's ironic that Doug said that he likes Bojack Horseman, because that show is about the choices we make and how Bojack's bad choices affect those around him negatively. You'd think that someone who admires the show would want to live up to the themes and messages in the show, but I guess in Doug's case, living like Mr. Peanutbutter seems more important. Actually, this whole compliance thing kind of reminds me of the scene in The Telescope, when the executive gives that skin-crawling speech to Bojack. Wouldn't surprise me if Mike said the very same thing to Doug.
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Razaphael Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd hold out on the DW judgment right now. Doug might be contractually obligated to support CA regardless of his personal opinion. I used to work for a similar platform, and all of the personalities and creatives had pre-2008 clauses about their social media, before laws were made to protect them. All the same, Michaud is a piece of shit, and I'm leery of Rob at the moment, if he really does have executive power. Thing is, at a lot of these websites 'Executive' positions are often INO, with little power. I'm hoping that the Walkers are both merely victims, but in Rob's case it's getting more and more debatable.
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SKTux Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
you should make a video out of this like you did with autism speaks and where the dead go to die.
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Mediawatcher37 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
I think it’s time we move on from the nostalgia critic, it’s clear Doug’s not gonna do anything to fix this and even if he tries, too late, Me alongside many others are done with channel awesome.
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Takisan111 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
Malcolm also posted this thing to his twitter, thinking it was some big defense against people talking crap about his bosses. He kept saying "Read it. It explains everything" yet it really doesn't do any of that. At this point, with the departures of some of Dougs biggest supporters like Lewis, Joe, Some Jerk with a Camera, and The Last Angry Geek, I don't think Channel Awesome is going to make it. Doug still might but he's going to take a massive hit and might have to start over from scratch. 

It seems like 2018 is really out get everyone. Since the beginning of the year, if it's not political, it's one of my fandoms having a huge moral crisis. It's no wonder I haven't been sleeping well.
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quintex96 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
Well Malcolm is under contract, so i'm sure Michaud demanded he post it to his Twitter and defend it.
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Razaphael Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. I'd hold out on the DW and other Actor's judgment right now. They might be contractually obligated to support CA regardless of his personal opinion. I used to work for a similar platform, and all of the personalities and creatives had pre-2008 clauses about their social media, before laws were made to protect them. All the same, Michaud is a piece of shit, and I'm leery of Rob at the moment, if he really does have executive power. Thing is, at a lot of these websites 'Executive' positions are often INO, with little power. I'm hoping that the Walkers are both merelyvictims, but in ROb's case it's getting more and more debatable.
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PsychoDemonFox Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
No kidding. Between this and the looming threat of Net Neutrality ending... my anxiety and trust issues have only risen... I hate reality. ><
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tomhur Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
The thing that makes the whole thing even worse is that this is 2018. The year of the tenth anniversary. This should be a time of celebrating how far everyone has come. Both current and former contributors. But this controversy happened. It just makes the whole thing suck even more.
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Nintendorkly Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018
The sad part is a friend of mine had actually taken a picture LAST WEEK with Doug Walker at some convention in New York and when she showed me, I was like, "have you seen how bad they're tanking?" I didn't know how bad things were until I saw the growing dislike bar on the Woody Woodpecker 2017 review
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Razaphael Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd hold out on the DW judgment right now. Doug might be contractually obligated to support CA regardless of his personal opinion. I used to work for a similar platform, and all of the personalities and creatives had pre-2008 clauses about their social media, before laws were made to protect them. All the same, Michaud is a piece of shit, and I'm leery of Rob at the moment, if he really does have executive power. Thing is, at a lot of these websites 'Executive' positions are often INO, with little power. I'm hoping that the Walkers are both merely victims, but in Rob's case it's getting more and more debatable.
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quintex96 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
Dislikes on a video actually don't matter much and will actually help you, as long as people click on the video it doesn't matter if they dislike it or not.
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Quadhands Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2018
Yeah, but those dislikes represent people who could potentially stop watching the show; sure, they gave them the pageviews this week, but what about next week? The dislikes themselves aren't the problem; it's the question of how many of those dislikes were left by people who just clicked on a Nostalgia Critic video for the last time.
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EOWDT Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
that'd explain why they stopped posting reviews on youtube
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quintex96 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
They didn't, their Jack and Jill review was posted yesterday on Youtube.
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Rosie-Love98 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018  Student Artist
What's also sad is that JewWario is being accused of the grooming and sexual assault. 
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AlexanderSchlicht Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dude, he's dead.
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Rosie-Love98 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Student Artist
I know but now his accusers had come out.
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CollinMagney Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018
While I haven't watched any of Channel Awesome's videos in months, I'm still a little surprised that this whole thing happened. I'm gonna do myself a favor and keep a bit of distance from this mess.
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ShadowBird707 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018
Thank you for your thoughts on this Mr. E.  This has all been such a big mess!  The mass exodus going on the site was the inevitable conclusion.
Let this serve as a lesson for the future. 
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GameCat16 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018
"All I really ask for those in that camp is not to deny reality. Bad things happened behind the scenes. That is objective fact at that point." 

I'm sorry, Mr. Enter, but this is where I disagree with you. Ever since this document came out, I have been waiting for the authors to provide evidence. Not only have they failed to do so, but Channel Awesome has come forth with evidence of its own. Not all of it is good, but there are pieces that are pretty damning towards the article (such as Doug asking Lindsey her opinion on whether or not to scrape that scene she complained about). 

I know you have qualms with how they are handling this situation, but that does not give you a right to dictate reality. I have to ask, what business do you have demanding evidence from CA, when the original document has even less evidence? I reiterate, you cannot dictate reality. If the authors of the document had only given proof, I would have supported them, but they have not, and CA has every right to clap back (although, they could do better with stronger evidence). 

No, this isn't about my fondness for CA and the Nostalgia Critic, this is about my conscience. Do you remember "Homer Badman"? The episode you decided to declare Admirable? This whole situation reeks of it. I cannot, and will not, join an angry lynch mob when there is no valid evidence of wrongdoing. A person's word is not enough. An entire group's word is not enough. 
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Inmyarmsinmyarms Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2018  Student Writer
Great, more cultists victim blaming.

Evidence has been compiled extensively across the years (see the ED page), and as you can see CA's only counter-arguments are evasion and pettiness.
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GameCat16 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2018
ED page? Is this a portion of the document that I didn't notice? Or a website? I would like to see it. 

Also, don't use the term "victim blaming." It's inapplicable to this situation, if not outright deceitful. At no point during my comments have I said that what happened was the victims' fault or that they deserved it. What I have asserted is that the things that they are claiming happened did not happen. Challenging a claim is NOT victim blaming and I will NOT tolerate having that term thrown in my face. I am trying to be polite here. I have said it before and I will say it again, once I see stronger evidence, I will take a stance against CA. 
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Inmyarmsinmyarms Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2018  Student Writer
Encyclopedia Dramatica. They had it all recorded long before #changethechannel
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ForeverEvanescent Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2018  Student Writer
I'd ordinarily agree with you as witnesses are not the best evidence. But, coming from someone studying criminal justice, I have a rule where if more than 5 witnesses say the thing happened, it's at least worth taking a look at. We're talking about a lot of former employees who are saying the same thing about this company. I understand it may be hard to believe them, but with the scope of everything, I think it’s at least worth considering.
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The-Doctor-W Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
I talked with Fool Fantastic on another site and he confirmed it. At least his word is true. 
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quintex96 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
I'm glad Mr Enter made this post, to me he sounds way more levelheaded then he did in that video.
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WithinATragedy Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I completely agree with you man, this situation is kinda ridiculous >_>;
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BaffleBlend Featured By Owner Edited Apr 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
With all due respect, I have to believe the accusers' words this time, for a reason; in this case, unlike most others, they have something to lose by speaking out against their employers like this.
Even if these accusations were false, these creators' careers would be over regardless. ESPECIALLY if the accusations were false; would you re-hire someone who tried to tear you down?

I really don't think these creators would make a sacrifice like that out of mere spite.
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GameCat16 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018
I don't think they're looking into getting their jobs back, especially since they all either left on their own or were terminated. The thing about liars that I notice is that they don't typically expect to get caught. There are some extremely toxic people on the internet who have been caught lying over and over again, but insist that they were honest every time. It would be just as easy for the accusers (For instance, Lindsey, who has had one of her claims debunked - concerning her scene with Linkara - but battles the evidence all the same. Her followers follow suit). And even if Channel Awesome came out with stronger evidence than they have now, people would still dismiss it, because that's how outrage culture works. I seriously doubt that the accusers have a lot to fear. 

I don't mean to be aggressive, and I apologize if I am. I'm just looking for actual evidence. The longer this goes on, and the further I look into it, the more suspicious the "Not So Awesome" document looks in my eyes. I just wish people would practice skepticism and hesitation rather than mob justice. 
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EOWDT Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
plus, consider how many people started to left after the scandal, even people who had nothing with the accusations. Would they leave just because someone is trash talking the site?
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