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Fictional CS WWII Poster by Mornauto Fictional CS WWII Poster by Mornauto
DISCLAIMER: First of all, I know there are some people who get grumpy when they see a Confederate flag, but I hope this won't happen here. Some people see it as a symbol of racism and bigotry, while others, like myself, understand that it is simply a piece of history. A flag representing a nation that is gone, nothing more, not unlike the flag of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, absorbed into Italy at about the same time as the Confederate flag was flying. This being the case, I don't want this image to be a place to make either racist comments or anti-Southern comments.

Now, as for the picture itself. It's just a spot of image manipulation I did purely for my own amusement. I took an Italian WWII propaganda poster and turned it into a fictional Confederate propaganda poster. I enjoy fiddling with alternate history ideas, and one fun one is to speculate how history would have gone had the Confederacy survived. Assuming WWII happened, how would it differ? That idea was sort of the inspiration for this.
The original poster was put out in late 1942 or early 1943 by Mussolini's government in response to Italy's ejection from Libya at the hands of the British. Even as his empire was crumbling, he had hopes of restoring it at a later date, and the original Italian caption was "Ritorneremo!" which means, in English, "We will return!" It seemed an appropriate phrase to keep since we always say here in the American South, "The South will rise again!" Of course that's utter nonsense, but still fun to throw around!

Anyway, I used Paint.NET and Ultimate Paint to create the image, and it took me the better part of an afternoon. If anyone wants to use it, go right ahead. I really have no artistic claim here, but I would appreciate a little credit if it is used, and please notify me so I can be in on/aware of what it is being used for!
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SaintAndrewsCross Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Love your work, beautiful piece of art!
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank you; I've been enjoying your recent postings as well!
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SteveEarlJones Featured By Owner May 11, 2018
You used the historically accurate Confederate national flag. Props dude, really w00t!  
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Mornauto Featured By Owner May 15, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks! That's one reason I picked an Italian poster as the starting point. The similar red bar on the end and white in the middle made for a fairly smooth transformation.
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2018
You realize something can both be a piece of history AND a symbol of racism right? One doesn't negate the other. 
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EnforcerWolf Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2017
As a person with Southern as well as Northern roots, I find this piece of art to be quite fascinating. Nice manip job.
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2017  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks very much.  I too have family on both sides of the old Mason-Dixon line, and I enjoy exploring the heritage of both.
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EnforcerWolf Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2017
Great!
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AlekVulken94 Featured By Owner May 11, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I find that uniform actually agreeable to the proposed Southern Army.
Butternut and/or dark gray slacks.

Well done.
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Mornauto Featured By Owner May 11, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks! I can't really take too much credit; other than the flag and the text, I left everything the way it was on the original Italian poster. I do agree though, that color would fit a modernized Confederate army well.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2016
What side? Axis or Allies?
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
I guess I hadn't really specified for this picture.  I tend to think the Confederacy, if it managed to hold together that long, would probably have such close ties to Britain or the US or both that it would support them in a WWII type of scenario.  The most plausible projection I've ever seen, (again resting on the assumption that the CSA maintains its territorial integrity) is that it would become almost a British protectorate due to its economic situation.  The guy who made the Confederate mods for Hearts of Iron 2 and Hearts of Iron 3 espoused that view, and I thought his mods and the alternate history that went with them were quite good.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2016
Well, I was just asking because in some alternate history stories the CSA becomes a version of Nazi Germany
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Ah yes, I've seen that route too.  I tend to think the closest historical analogy for them would be South Africa - there was some sympathy to the Nazi cause on account of racial politics, but ultimately they stayed loyal to the British empire.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2016
So these guys would be loyal to Britain?
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Probably, yes.  Although, that does raise the question of what they would be returning to.  I originally intended the poster as a play on the whole "South will Rise Again" thing, but that sentiment makes less sense in WWII if the South had won in the first place.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016
Okay. Because I thought this would be a timeline similar to Timeline-191
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Yeah, I reckon it could work for that.
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MikeBennett1980 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The purpose of history is to learn from the mistakes of the past, so we can do better in the future. Censorship of anything is a slippery slope.


Nice work!
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Agreed, and thank you!
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MikeBennett1980 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
My pleasure! :)
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gumballdudley Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2015
I love the bloody banned confederate flag at least it has a red stripe to make it another flag
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MRWHITE81 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2013

this is cool

this reminds me of the timeline 191/ southern victory series by harry turtledove

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ChocolateQuill Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2013
I think it is definitely a symbol of history, but that the bigotry and stupidity surrounding it today has made it horrible for me to endure. And, even though it was a symbol of history, that doesn't mean it should be proudly displayed in casual situation. 

This is really interesting o^o
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Unfortunately, I think you're probably right.  The actual historical meaning of things is often less important that the way people choose to remember them and use them as symbols.  There's nothing inherently wrong with the Confederate flag any more than any other national flag, but of course it gets used by modern bigots, which gives it a meaning that it never had historically.  That's one reason I prefer this version of the national flag; the racists usually use the simple battle flag, and this is a bit different.  I guess the whole situation is sort of like the problem with the swastika.  For centuries, it held meaning as a symbol of benevolence in various Asian cultures, but that all changed when the Nazis randomly adopted it as their symbol.  Now no one can use it because it's been stygmatized.
Anyway, I could go on, but the moral of the story is that it's all very silly and the problems arise from ignorance.  Glad you find it thought provoking, and I welcome your input!
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ChocolateQuill Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2013
I think the issue between the North and South is something that should be examined--but I'm curious to see what you think of it being used as a 'national symbol' of the south, today?

I personally have a problem with this, for several reasons but I want to hear your opinion first o3o
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Using the flag as a symbol for the South today is problematic because of the way racist groups have adopted it.  I have no strong feelings one way or the other myself.  I'm a historian, so, I just see it as a piece of history.  I think it's pretty silly to use it for any purpose today.
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ChocolateQuill Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2013
*claps wholeheartedly at your statement*

I am personally against it BECAUSE of the racist groups and idiotic "redneck rebel" campaigns. As a black individual who has had the flag flown in my face to give way for bullying and racist statements, I will never agree with its use outside the historical textbook/essay/etc.
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ImaDoctor96 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist

Veo Vindice, and thank you

It is sad how so many criticize and even strive to eliminate this flag from history

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NSR3 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2013  Student
"We will return" De hell you are :D
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2012
Looks like something out of Timeline-191
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
I love the Blood Stained Banner also, and I love this artwork, its non-judgmental, and I agree with many of your sentiments about the flag and the meaning behind it.
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks, I'm glad to hear it!
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G-Veronica-BOW Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2011
An interesting picture and an interesting concept.

It's also awesome you used the real national flag of the Confederacy.
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank you sir! The 'Blood Stained Banner' has always been my favorite CS national flag, and I think it probably would have been the one kept if we had won.
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G-Veronica-BOW Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2011
It's a good looking flag and it's a shame few people really know about it. Whenever I see Confederate art all I see is the naval jack.
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Mornauto Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Exactly! It reminds me of the flags of the various British dominions, because, from a distance, it almost looks like a union jack up in the corner. Imagine if you guys had wanted to/been able to intervene and save us in 1863 or so. Maybe the CSA would have effectively become another Dominion; maybe it would be the union jack up in that corner? I read an alternate history not too long ago where something like that happened, and it was quite interesting. Imagine the CSA becoming like a second Canada.
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G-Veronica-BOW Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2011
An independant CSA would either become a less centralised CSA or a bannana republic. Britain was largely against intervention for several reasons. We thought the CSA could not win the war, a lot of food exports came from the US and we were scared we'd lose it, Canada could be invaded etc...

The CSA did have a good chance of becoming independant on its own. It was just a few tactical blunders and political choices that sealed its doom.

I'd like to see someone draw what they thought the 3rd flag would look like today (more stars).
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