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I received a critique from some of my family, they asked me Why I censored the boy in the previous pages.
I couldn't do another thing than agree with them, its a huge print of fear in middle of all the art, and its totally out of tune. Preserves a stupid "TABU" which disturbs the human road to "transparency".

 Artist's fears must dissappear complety from its work.
I remember to felt very stupid when censoring.  


This new page haven't watercolors, isn't always convenient. Soon I'll conect with the rest of the story.
This is the most light page I've done.

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:iconwhitebearboy:
whitebearboy Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2017
The boy looks so cute!
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Tenchi8 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand that sense of fear also if I was working on an art like that.
I've learned that the art world and our imaginations knows no limitations. But
it's difficult to convince others that kind of understanding to non artist folks. It can
be rather frustrating.

I love the imagery of every pages and panels. The visual story is very interesting. :)
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:iconwildwithin:
WildWithin Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awe, he's so cute!
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spartan38 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2015
I guess to him, she's like an angle.
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:iconwolfshire:
wolfshire Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is just my opinion, but I liked them better before. They were magical and delightful, but now they are obvious statements of social rebellion. They are still beautiful, stunning, works of art, superior to almost anything I've seen, but they have lost a spark. It just feels more like the artist has tried to make a statement that isn't necessary and it takes away from the art. The images are still natural and innocent, that is true and perhaps that would be wonderful if the world could be like that, but it is not. Before, the images were also natural and innocent, but they also gave the sense of a more pure, innocent state that portrayed, for the viewer, the same complete unaware innocence that the boy has.

Still a huge fan of your amazing art, this is just what I see.
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Sorry but I wanted to ask you if there's a specific page which looks too forced to the uncensor, because the 5,1 perphaps its better in the old way.  I have doubts with that one, if more like u felt that a spark its missing I would like to come back to the old one, that's important to me.
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:iconusabell12:
Usabell12 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Professional Photographer
It's really hard for me to tell if the old or new ones are better.Stupid Me! They somewhat have a bit of a different message to me. What you ultimately choose should be the result of what you want to show in this scene. If it is about innocence, I think the old ones are better suited. Think about how they handle scenes like these in Ghibli movies. Normally, they put these parts of the character outside of the frame or underwater so it can't be seen. In your case, the framing shows these parts so to cover them up is more like a "workaround", and leads to the effects you already mentioned before and dislike (getting even more attention there, maybe looking a bit too forced in some cases). The classical way of preventing this would be to choose a different framing so these body parts are just not visible, or showing the character only from behind in full body.
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Yes, perphaps I choosed a too bad way to censure, and looked too unnatural, not the case as 5,1, I just changed it to the old model.  And yes, I wanted just innocence, but I felt that I leafed that spirit, turning it dirty, like a cigarret in middle of a forest, human's shadow intervention( I'm sure u know what I mean).    I perfectly could evade this polemic choosing different body perspectives as you said xd 
I didn't calculed this, but seems to be very educative C:

Btw those landscaped scenes are a good option for music trailer too.
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:iconusabell12:
Usabell12 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013  Professional Photographer
Yes, I think that the most important thing here would be that the censoring doesn't look forced at all, like artificially put on to cover something. If you can make it look more natural and build the scene properly to achieve this effect like you did in 5,1 I think no one will be disturbed by it.

Oh and about the music, I'd need to know how peaceful this scene is supposed to be. SInce I have a bit difficulties to fully understand what's going on there, maybe it would be best if you could tell me if there should be a sense of uneasiness or strangeness or if it should be plain peaceful.
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013
That's the ideal way C:
But It shouldn't be disturbing anyway, it shouldn't be..  
From a long humanity looked for its divine conection refusing their lower levels, as vatican leafed lots of statues. This is in the air, I hate to do disturbing art but, you know this is a time humanity needs to integrate all the levels, as you said one time, religion and science in one, which means body and spirit in a smaller fractal level xd
My art its incomplete if I prefer the censure, but I think the partial censure I have now makes the changes more peacefull.

U can think in a peacefull music, just the boy and nature, I even can add extra pages in the future with  larger landscapes because I loved to do those scenes, works more in the artbook way C:
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Thanks for your opinion, sad to know. I was waiting for your kind of thoughts, its similar as my first idea of "the world isn't ready".  I know the world are not going to change with this "rebellion", but I'm more satisfied in being a small part of the transformation, than being part of preserving the actual structure. 

This decision was very difficult to me to take, because any new step puts you in an unsafe place.   
Also, I'm sure its a more critical statement to have those censored.

Sorry by colapsing with your thoughts, I'm thankfull with you and I know there are lots of mad people making social rebellions and destroying the order, so, for me people with your thoughts helps to make the changes process more lightly and soft.


 
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:iconwolfshire:
wolfshire Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It would not be appropriate for me to say one is or is not correct. You are the artist and must decide, however, let me provide some examples for thought

In these two examples, the censurship is garish and forced. The paintings suffer for it.
onokart.files.wordpress.com/20…
onokart.files.wordpress.com/20…

In this example, the pose is natural, the subject is obviously censured but nothing is taken away from the painting in doing so.
images.fineartamerica.com/imag…

In this final example, Venus is censored, but Cupid is not. This shows that that the arguement about what should and shouldn't be censored has existed for as long as artistists have been putting brush to canvas. But also, I believe this painting would become much weaker then it is had Cupid been censored.
www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mytholo…


The only additional thought I have on the subject is; Does your painting become stronger or weaker from censorship?
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Thanks for the examples, I understand your point now. Your question makes me think that in art I must equilibrate all the elements, and in human body the center of simetry calls the attention, like a gravity center, dangerous for art.
I really would liked to understand this before start those paintings..  and answering your question, I think the page 5,3 have real problems, it calls the attention. 
I'll look for a way to reduct its gravity.

   
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:iconmymyartzone:
MymyArtzone Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Professional General Artist
I really like the colors and the ambiance, the boy as a very cute innocent face =)
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Thank you C:
loved ur art too
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:iconmymyartzone:
MymyArtzone Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
You're welcome !
I'm glad you love mine =^^=
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Nemomon Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
I agree that censoring is pointless, especially that this is just a normal art, and not a freaking porn. However, as an archivist, I think You should put somewhere (to the scraps for example) the "censored" art as well, especially that they were in a way interesting too. ;)

PS: I still remember that You have promised to upload to the scraps the previous versions of the new altered Rain pages too ;).
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Thank you ^^
I didn't preserved them, thinking the changes were too small . But if u want I can send those to your email C:
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:iconiluffy:
iLuffy Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
bajkejkeajk ya gastaste toas las hojas.
por sierto cuando vamos?
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
gaste un peazo shigo de una nomas, toy reservando para escenas impresibs
supongo q tu no vas a puente.
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:iconiluffy:
iLuffy Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
yo  no se nah maldicion nadie me cuenta los planes.
por sierto, escuchar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=42e1ZD…
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
bien pero muy repetio ese tema pami amigo
el viaje se suspende pa fines de octubre
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:iconiluffy:
iLuffy Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
me tai weandooooooooooooo
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
anda a pte el fds
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Didi-Esmeralda Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013   Digital Artist
Encantada de tú estilo mágico e inocente, los colores waaa es tan agradable quedarte viento las imágenes por mucho tiempo. 
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Muchas gracias! C:   
Me interesa que esto quede como artbook, de modo que puedas detenerte en cada pagina tal como dices :aww:
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:iconmajorasmasks:
MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I love the character design of the boy. His face looks so kind and innocent.  :)

And I agree about the censuring part. It's dumb, insulting actually, and I keep believing that DA should take their serves to another Country with better laws for artists, or at least change their policy.
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Yes, Da should do that.
I just uncensored the pages, I'm so worried about DA staff reaction.. ):
Hope they turns more flexible with the rules this time. and the "mature content" setting its far from be in the same category of my art..  
Hope all ends well, thanks for supporting
 
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:iconmajorasmasks:
MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I would just put a mature warning for nudity, if I were you. Not the strict one, just a warning.

Anyway you're welcome, and thanks to you again for this awesome comic!
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
where do I put that warning?
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:iconmajorasmasks:
MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
When you submit a deviation the first time or when you edit it, you can check the warning box just under the space in which you uploads the deviation. If you check "yes", more option will appear and you'll be able to choose between "moderate" and "strict" and even to choose which kind of content is the one you consider mature (this part is optional, and there are several options; since nudity is separated by sexual themes the former should work for you).
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Ok thank you!  C:
I didn't know those small sub-options, I feel more in a safe place now.
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:iconmajorasmasks:
MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
No problem.  ;)
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AmazingEGJ Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
HOnestamente? La única que se ve fuera de lugar es la de la hoja (es la más forzada de todas) las otras estan bien y en la 5.1 le da hasta un toque de arte clásico.

Pero si, la hoja estaba muy forzada XD

A ver como continua =D
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
El problema es tener en algunas el discurso de censura y no en otras, aquel de la hoja si era el mas corrompido xd
Ahora esta arreglado y todo entona mejor.   Estoy preocupado por la reaccion del equipo de DA...    ):
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:iconamazingegj:
AmazingEGJ Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Al ser un medio artístico, no creo que digan nada, si la finalidad de la obra fuera de un tono más erótico si aparecerian problemas, pero viendo el sentimiento de inocencia que quieres transmitir y la calidad artística del medio, no creo que debas tener ningun problema ^_-
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Chapet Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Student Digital Artist
good style :)
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:iconmoonshen:
Moonshen Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Thanks C:
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