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Good news, everyone - after 11 months of featuring almost exclusively PNG format vector exports, we're starting to ask that vector SVG, PSD and AI files be provided too. (These are made in Inkscape, Photoshop and Illustrator respectively. For an in depth explanation, read epdtry's analysis of the different formats!). Don't worry, we won't require you to post all your original work, commissions and OCs, but we are pushing in a big way to get the community used to making real vector files available for everyone.

So what is the fuss about providing vector files? It's come up many times before: people want vector resources, but this group hasn't required artists to post them up until now. In retrospect, this is more than a little bit silly. The fact is, until our gallery is updated by the authors to include original SVG, PSD, and AI format vector files, it lacks the usefulness of these formats all our members already use. If someone has a ridiculous setup with a matrix of 20 or 200 HD monitors and wants a Rainbow Dash wallpaper, he can have it! Even if she was just a tiny speck in a group image that barely met our PNG resolution requirements (3kx3k+).

To give just a few examples for why vectors are preferable to rasters:

:bulletorange: Not limited by pixels, any element can be resized as large as needed without hurting quality

:bulletorange: Individual parts can be rotated, moved or manipulated, for things like different facial expressions

:bulletorange: They fully support layering per object, relevant to backgrounds and objects such as clothing

:bulletorange: Their file size is very tiny, ideal for archives

:bulletorange: They preserve all of the image data and serve as a long term backup

:bulletorange: They can be used in flash animations or other vector projects with your permission

:bulletorange: Customizations can be made for personal use, eg. for users who need a CYMK or RGB version, or for night time and day time pics

:bulletorange: Extra layers and objects are fully supported, giving you the ability to put alternative versions of different objects in different layers of your work

:bulletorange: SVGs, FLAs and SWFs allow for animation without the use of GIFs or lossy video encoding, with unlimited resolution

:bulletorange: They serve as an excellent guide to show others how to draw with vector lines (think Celestia and Rarity)

:bulletorange: They are not limited by individual PC specs, so they can be exported at higher resolutions than your PC could handle

To be completely clear, PNGs themselves are not vectors, they are high resolution raster (aka bitmap) renders of vector images, useful in a great number of ways. Vector formats have even more advantages. With them, you can manipulate any part of the image, which are stored as digital objects that look like this. Correcting errors, changing colors, and resizing can be done to a vector without any quality loss whatsoever. Try to recolor a PNG and ugly lines will appear around the edges. Stretch a PNG and the pixels will be blurred. As many of you know, Friendship is Magic is created with a customized version of Flash 8, and that is what allows them to reuse materials and create an art style that successfully uses vector graphics, and the result is a show of stunning quality, with art to match.

In the past we've made a point when moderating incoming gallery submissions to ask for higher resolutions. That was an excellent start, and it made the gallery a better resource overall, as well as giving our members a better look at their own work which in turn improves their quality. Now we will be asking for vector artists to provide a link to their vector files in the description by uploading them to Sta.sh, or another file host if preferred (Here's a tutorial imgur.com/a/soFZ9 ) . Before now you would need to message the author to get a proper reusable file as our group's name suggests, but we've begun nagging our members already and you may have noticed more download links than usual in the past day or so. Go ahead and post your concerns in the comments.

We would also like to announce the administrative team is expanding!

:party: Please welcome:

:iconrainbowrage12: RainbowRage12

:iconbernd01: Bernd01

:iconatmospark: Atmospark

:iconsircxyrtyx: SirCxyrtyx

:iconsilverrainclouds: SilverRainclouds

:iconorangel8989: orangel8989

They are helpful individuals from the vector community who have joined Contributors to help process gallery submissions, give critiques to submitters and generally help manage our group. We're looking forward greatly to working with them :D

One more plan we're going to push: since it's unclear to many if usage is allowed of your vectors, a standard badge system would be a massive help for the community. The icons to use are-

:iconyouareplz::iconallowedplz: (iconYouArePlz and iconAllowedPlz)
:icongouseplz::iconthisartplz: (iconGoUsePlz and iconThisArtPlz)
:icondonotuseplz::iconmyartplz: (iconDoNotUsePlz and iconMyArtPlz)
:iconnoncommercial1plz::iconnoncommercial2plz: (iconNonCommercial1Plz) and iconNonCommercial2Plz)

These are Plz accounts, so to use them type :icon followed by the account name, ending with plz:. They are typed out like this. If you have any better badges by all means suggest away.

Thanks for reading, watchers and interested folk, and we're looking forward to interacting with our community more. :iconbrohoofplz: We have some other additions in the works we think you'll like.



TL;DR version:



:bulletgreen: Please remember to always release your source files in addition to PNG files. SVG, PSD and AI are all fine. You don't have to do it for OCs and original works.

:bulletgreen: We have new admins, please welcome them.

:bulletgreen: Please indicate in descriptions of your vectors whether people can use them or not. It's recommended to use badges shown above.

:bulletgreen: Members with PNG-only vectors in the group gallery should start updating them with any files they still have as soon as possible. Watchers, please help us get the word out by requesting vector files on deviations you like that are PNG-only!

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:icondecprincess:
DecPrincess Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014  Hobbyist
How do I upload svg files? It telling me I need a preview image but I see many vector that their svg doesnt have a preview
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ZuTheSkunk Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014
If you're uploading it to your Stash, then it doesn't need one. You just need to remember to use the Save&Exit option instead of Submit Now.

But if you want to actually upload it to your gallery, then you will need a PNG image as a preview. Everyone does that, as far as I know.
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DecPrincess Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014  Hobbyist
Oh ok. thanks =3
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Twitchy-Tremor Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Would SWF files of the vector work?
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Tim015 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They would, do you have a particular vector in mind?
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ZuTheSkunk Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013
For vectors made in Flash, we prefer if the downloadable source files are saved as FLAs, possibly with SVGs and/or AIs available too.
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CrimsonLynx97 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So, I don't HAVE to include my .svg(using Inkscape) with my PNG? I can still submit my work as long as it's at least 3000x3000 right? For frame traces, I'll include the .svg, but I usually hand-draw my templates that I vector for my original work. (I don't normally do frame traces) so I would like to keep my .svg files proprietary...

Is that okay? :)
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Tim015 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For your original pieces, no you don't have to submit your source file publicly. During submission requests for these pieces to the gallery however, we would appreciate a link to your source file, as it helps us give more accurate critiques and give better suggestions on how to fix any problems that may be present.
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RainbowRage12 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
exactly, We require the vector file for show traces, but you can choose to omit them for original work
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The-Colt Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012
So, are AI files compulsory?
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RainbowRage12 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012
Vector files are required on traces. For original art you may choose to opt out.
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MarelynMayhem Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I was not aware of that......
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AbrotherM Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've never used Sta.sh in my life, heh. But I've always uploaded the SVGs with a larg-ish PNG preview anyway.
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atnezau Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've seen the other comments on art theft, and it seems that the only solution is to report the theft after. This is ok for certain vectors like my twilight baby pony, because it never appeared in the show, so I would have evidence that I thought of it and made it in this particular style first. But what about screen traces? If someone released the source files, and another used it to upload an image, how would we be able to say that it was theft? It could be really legit - 2 artists working on the same pose, one person just slower than the other. How would we resolve that then? Even though the original drawing belongs to Hasbro and not either artists, I'd hate to see nasty brawls happening like this in the community. =(

I just did some commissions and I also want to know to what extent should the rules above apply when the image is for exclusive use by the commissioner. Allowing someone else (who didn't pay for the image) to download a high-res image goes against that, let alone releasing the source files.

I think we need to consider the art in terms of categories. Something that goes like this:
Screen-traces (downloadable high res previews + source files)
Commissions (optional high res, optional source file)
Self-drawn (downloadable high res artist, optional source file)
The above terms should still be discussed as a community until we agree on something.

I'm still rather new when it comes to vectors so all these formats comes as a rush of info for me. I'm considering if I should swap programs because the general consensus seems to be that SVG is better, and I can't find that in photoshop. 0.o
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The group has a high resolution requirement, low resolution images aren't accepted. While several people can do the same pose at the same time, the results look very different, and vector files make these differences even more noticeable. In fact, they may not even use the same program.

Anyone who is concerned about art theft can tell us and we will accept that, but not low resolution images too, sorry :(

We have added more info about giving credit and if you spot it, tell us so we can investigate. Nobody who steals from artists and pretends it's theirs will be allowed in the group.
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WaterTribeKayla Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Student General Artist
but pngs are still okay?
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:iconquasdar:
Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, and if possible PNG+vector file is much preferred.
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friagram Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Honestly PSD/Vexel resources are not that useful. SVG/AI is much easier to work with on other projects.
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xRainStormy Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I do not quite understand how to upload it as psd. I do have photoshop... but how do I upload it as psd?
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AwesomeCAS Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2012  Student Digital Artist
You just put it in Sta.sh then link to it from the png version.
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xRainStormy Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Thank you! I will make sure to save your comment... :D
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AwesomeCAS Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Neat. Glad I could help.
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You should upload it as SVG if it was made in Inkscape, PSD if it was made in Photoshop and AI if it was made in Illustrator. We want the default save formats for each of the programs.
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ikillyou121 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Guess I'll start uploading PSD files.
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:iconquasdar:
Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you very much! :hug:
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nrxia Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
New passing thought. Old passing thought just got a bit more complicated: file settings on .psd's and .ai's - Is there a base legacy format we should save as, like users that aren't using the latest versions of CS, or the technically different .svg profiles, like SVG Tiny 1.1+??

My ocd is killing me...
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We're asking that everyone save in the native, default format of their respective vector program. Beyond that we can't be sure of compatibility, but the opportunity exists for converting it around if at least some vector source is available. SVG is the best of the three and Inkscape is recommended. Many of our members are used to Photoshop or Illustrator and have made their vectors with them.
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nrxia Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Just a passing thought: since it's pretty easy to just "save as" any of the mentioned file types, of the three, which one is the most preferred or the most useful to the most amount of people?
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404compliant Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Already there. My vectors always had their SVG counterpart available.

However, until now I've kept the SVG files in my scraps section, and linked to them. Is there any particular advantage in having them on sta.sh?


Anyhow, things would be easier if DA would support vector formats in a better way. Like submitting some art in more than one format, and offering more than one download button.
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Posting them to scraps is great too. The only thing posting to sta.sh could be considered better for is not notifying your watchers who watch your scraps.
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Pangbot Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't have a problem uploading the svg files the only problem I see is that I don't think many people know what real vectors are. (Most people I've met think they're just bitmap images with transparent backgrounds) As a result of this, I doubt many people will have programs compatible with svg files.
One other thing is that people do post these images on other sites and I also doubt svg's are a compatible upload filetype for many of these sites.
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SirCxyrtyx Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
There are people who use GIMP (which cannot create vector images), but I believe the vast majority use programs actually capable of vector creation.
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Pangbot Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I meant the people downloading the pictures. I imagine almost all of the members here know what a vector is and do create actual vector images but, in general, I don't think the "common internet user" knows what a vector is.
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SirCxyrtyx Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
This is probably true, which is one of many reasons why we are still encouraging the uploading of high-res PNGs as the main file.
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ZuTheSkunk Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Could anybody explain to me how PDF files can be used for vectors? I thought that these are for documents that cannot be edited.
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SirCxyrtyx Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
PDF's are a very versatile format. They can contain text, images, vector graphics, and even 3d models. Most people interact with PDFs through a PDF viewer, such as Acrobat Reader or Preview. PDF viewers are, as can be deduced from their name, incapable of doing much more than viewing a PDF. High-end PDF authoring software such as Adobe Acrobat costs large amounts of money, and is largely unknown to the average user.

More relevant to this discussion is how they can be used in the context of vectors. Illustrator and Inkscape can both export and import PDF files. Photoshop cannot deal with PDFs in any way that is useful to vectoring.
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jrrhack Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I dont really agree with this new policy, handing out original vector graphics may cause a lot of trouble inclusing color management issues, version compatibility and all sorts of frustrations. PDF files is ok for compatibility and stuff, but AI, PSD and SVG is a no for me.
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What are these issues exactly? While we'd like to have our artists provide the most accessible content, unless we've missed a way to make the formats get along, the best we can get is a type that will open in at least one program. AI PSD and SVG are the native formats of the three vector programs almost all our members use, which is why they are the ones we ask for.
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jrrhack Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
SVG dont render my pictures very well because of some specific Illustrator features such as smooth gradients and clipping paths along with some of the new multi variable line weight and color management. PDF usually works best for me and I have been using without any problem thru professional work as well because it will maintain color and will convert complex curves and effects accordingly still keeping the scalability of the image.

AI will only work for people with CS5 and newer means that people with Corel Draw, Inskscape or older versions of Ai wont be able to use it.
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friagram Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You can post the AI file, and a preview PNG~
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright, if PDFs work so well for you that's fine.
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BiodegradableBox Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
While I like this new policy, I agree that it leaves more opportunity for art theft. Is there a standardized way to go about reporting stolen art, as well as a specific way to provide evidence to a claim (you know, just in case)?

Sorry, I'm probably just being paranoid...
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Send a note to the group if that ever happens, and we'll investigate it. If art thieves are found their work will not be accepted here and we can report them. I've added a blurb to the group description about properly crediting authors and asking for permission.
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khyperia Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can one not just have a vector file for the DA download button and png preview image, as seen in my vector? I don't see why you have to upload to sta.sh or another website...
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ZuTheSkunk Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
This solution creates very ugly previews in low-quality JPG format. Submitting your vector somewhere else and using a PNG file as the primary file of your deviation is the way to avoid it.
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We still want large PNGs to be easily available. This method also keeps the preview image high quality even without zooming in. It's easier to roll out too.
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Chromadancer Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Does this mean I need to go back and re-do all my old 'vectors' into REAL vectors? I'd rather just pull them from the group because that is a lot of hassle for something that I really don't do anymore...
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If there's no source file available then we won't expect you to make one, no. You should consider checking out Inkscape though.
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zelc-face Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
This looks incredibly confusing, but given by the sta.sh tutorial, I bet it'll be really simple. I'll upload .psd files whenever I upload new vectors from now on :)
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Quasdar Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you :aww:
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