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It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with this journal, I still expect everyone know how to behave. I do not tolerate harassment of anykind towards anyone!





 And since some people fail to see the difference between referencing and tracing. Here's excellent and simple journal to explain it to you: Tracing is Not Referencing (Tracing FAQ)


Edited on 4th of November, 2016!


To read the latest drama go here: Numyumy is a tracer!

Clamychan has came back with new account called Clamyart and continues tracing and scamming. Do not support her or her work. I was finally able to gather some evidence of her continuous tracing years after years.
If you would like to share this journal to raise awareness, I would be grateful.

Remember that selling traced work is basically stealing and therefore Illegal

Clamyart has had at least 7 accounts before this one (scroll to the very end if you wish to see the evidence) and for years she has been stealing art to make fast and easy money. This girl has no respect towards anyone's work and all that matters is if she only can benefit from it. There's no reasoning with her but I wish no one would ever buy her art or donate money for her. She does not care about her followers at all, to her only money speaks and it's shame for honest hard working artists trying to make a living out of their work, while this girl just steals from others. 



Old tracing drama from 2015




This it to warn you, not to trust this person. I once comforted her about her tracing on her old account and when she got caught she just fled to a new one (funny how I'm being blocked on her new account despise never talking to her in there) I hope you'd spread the word about this matter to raise awareness.


Anyway watch out for Clamychan. I hope that all of you could please stay civil and not harass the artist in question. But is it really right for people like her to get so popular and even get a DD? I don't think so. Dekomory is known tracer who always flees to a different account after being caught. She will hide all comments who try to be reasonable with her and blocks anyone who tries to call her out for it. she needs to be banned from this website. This tracing and lying just cannot continue.
She hes been previously known as Reiraseo or Tsubakie. On those accounts she got caught for tracing and even Selling it. She then made up petty excuses and sob stories before fleeing into this account.
Proof against her was posted on artist blogs on tumblr, till she asked all evidence to be removed "because everyone makes mistakes". You shouldn't trust on her apologies, since traces by accident and no one traces more than twice and claim it as "mistake". 
Capture By Kairi Sun-d8ebujv by MilanaMill
Here's proof about her previous tracing:
kawaiiartistconfessions.tumblr…

She got popular, because she puts her art on rarely used categories to hit a front page and then later moves it to right category, so no one can suspect her. 
Why would she do that? Well because miscategorizing your art on purpose is actually againsts DA's rules. So it's not all about "hard work", it's about cheating. 
here's proof:
This isn't sci-fi art. 
Drama by MilanaMill
and these are not wallpapers.
Cheat by MilanaMill



Here's arguments what people have said:
So about that tracing going on lately


 Original works belong to Zeronis

Traced: Originals:
Japanese Girl By Dekomory-d8e4xch by MilanaMillGirl Portrait Study 01 by Zeronis
Here's overlays:

Here the eyes match: And here the lips and nose match:
Trace by MilanaMilltumblr nididdEF0I1s3seego1 1280 by MilanaMill
Eye by xDeliora Nase by xDeliora Mouth by xDeliora





Another trace:

Traced: Original:
Remy  Gift For Zeronis  By Dekomory-d8e9vs9 by MilanaMillArcade Miss Fortune Concept Art - RiotZeronis by Zeronis

Here's PSD file you can download so everyone try it themselves: Art Overlap

Overlay:
2 by MilanaMillArt-overlap by CionKeiasta





She could have also traced from sakimichan
A generous person made an overlay for me:

Traced: Original Face: Original body:
Wyrm By Dekomory-d8eefcu by MilanaMillOkami Amaterasu by sakimichanElf lady by sakimichan


Just flip it around, overlay it and this is what you get:

S79z86a3jzw9 by MilanaMillTrace Maybe By Dobvious-d8em9dq by MilanaMill






Dekomory is previously known as Reira-seo and even back then she used to trace from Zeronis:


  Traced: Original:
44530582 M by MilanaMillRemi FACE Mekanizer PK by Zeronis


Overlay:
Trace Proof By Aephorias-d8eloih by MilanaMill



Here's arguments by other people about Dekomory not being new:




I still don't trust Dekomory on some stuff she says (Or actually I don't know anymore;; I'm not against anyone here or anything I'm just being curious tbh lol), she said on her update that she doesn't know ReiraSeo..: "I really like Hinahara's art, I don't know if she is ReiraSeo or whoever. I didn't know ReiraSeo. Hinahara is a reference for me, like other artists too. If my art is similar to them, IT'S JUST NORMAL, for many people, creating your own style is to mix the things that you like it from your idols." But I think she IS ReiraSeo/Hinahara because of this: web.archive.org/web/2014070111… (It's a site that records a lot of data from the past) I'm not sure if the link works for everyone but anyways if you look at ReiraSeo's gallery, it looks pretty dang similar to Zeronis' art and Dekomory's kawaii art (Like shown in this journal: Dekomory is a tracer!) But also notice how the past works of ReiraSeo's went from kawaii to semi-realism just like how Dekomory did.. Okay but wait, now click the second page of the gallery and holy cow it doesn't direct you to the next page as you wanted it to, it directs you to Hinahara's dA page and it says "Formerly ReiraSeo"!! Okay now if you look at Hinahara's art (Which is is there today) looks at the first picture called "Hi DA!" Wait what?? Weren't you were here already?? Description: "Hello, my name is Hinahara etooo... but you can call me Hina-chan ! i///□///i Nice to meet you ///~/// I hope you enjoy my art and I hope we be friends ! ///^///" I look forward to upload my drawings ///A///" -.- Are you freaken serious!? You are NOT new here!! And also if you look at Hinahara's latest art, that art was uploaded on December 25, 2014 and ever since then, she didn't upload anything again.. Okay now go to Dekomory's first upload, called "Hello dA!!!", this art was uploaded on December 26, 2014 RIGHT AFTER Hinahara stopped making art and then holy crap look at the signature/logo on the picture, doesn't that font look familiar?? Look back at Hinahara's arts and look at her signature/logo, IT'S THE SAME EXACT FONT!! (I think it is lol, but I'm pretty sure it is) DOES THIS LOOK FISHY TO YOU OR WHAT!? And then after the 1st picture she made, the signature/logo changes font.. I wonder why.. Oh yeah did I mention Dekomory and Hinahara both speak Spanish? How do I know? Well if you look through ReiraSeo's dA profile through the site I gave you, it says she's from Spain and you can see that she's already speaking it on her profile lol, and if you look at Dekomory's profile comments some of them are in Spanish which means some people knew she speaks it.. But wait hold on, I'm not done yet here, wanna look at Hinahara's/ReiraSeo's past history?? Click on the link I gave you (ReiraSeo's dA profile) and see how it says next to her username it says "Formerly MiuMiusArt"? Lets search that name on Google, shall we? In the first link that shows up, it shows Tsubakie Chan's YouTube channel.. Okay now look at this journal: Dekomory is a tracer!  , at the top it shows in the picture her name (The same name) so that does tell that Hinahara IS Tsubakie according to this journal.. Also I'm going to point this out from ReiraSeo's PaigeeWorld: www.paigeeworld.com/u/reiraseoRead her descriptions for each picture she posted on there and realize how she always say: "Drawn with Manga Studio"? Okay now, you know that Dekomory draws with Manga Studio too (Shown in her speedpaints on YouTube and said on her Picarto account) There could be more evidences that shows that Dekomory is Hinahara that I don't know about yet.. but according to this research and my inferences, I'm VERY positively sure that Dekomory is Hinahara.. Okay so let's look back at Dekomory's statement she made on her latest journal update, she states: "I really like Hinahara's art, I don't know if she is ReiraSeo or whoever. I didn't know ReiraSeo." Rethink what she told you, she's NOT telling the truth!! Okay so I'm going to post this on her journal too and see if she blocks me and does whatever to this comment, and if she does, I now know that she's hiding the truth and doesn't want anyone to see it lol (Sorry for my bad grammar btw if it was)
Jumping on this bandwagon because, for me, it's so plainly clear. I understand how a lot of people are unsure or want to side with this Dekomory; I get it, she DOES have her own level of talent despite the tracing and her victimizing journals can get the better of your emotions (as so neatly phrased by the comment below mine). 

Here are some observations from my end, however, on proving that Tsubakie/MiusMiusArt/Hinahara/ReiraSeo is Dekomory (with additions from AhyunChan's comment):
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Keep in mind: I VERY MUCH KNOW THERE ARE COINCIDENCES. But the fact that there are SO MANY compiled into this case is so very fishy??? Why am I doing this you might ask? It's an insult to artists to see someone who blatantly TRACES get a DD and so much attention. We work our asses off creating pieces from scratch while she's getting an award handed to her after copying someone else's hard work.

Also keep in mind: Tsubakie IS MiuMiusArt IS ReiraSeo IS Hinahara (IS Dekomory [what I'm trying to prove]).
Tsubakie = MiuMiusArt proof:
www.youtube.com/user/MiuMiusAr…
MiuMiusArt = ReiraSeo = Hinahara proof:
miumiusart.deviantart.com/
reiraseo.deviantart.com/
Hinahara= Tsubakie: I will leave this DA account (Read it please)
Last keep in mind: I will be using the names Hinahara and ReiraSeo interchangeably. Why, if they're the same person?
Hinahara's gallery is still publicly available, so when I mention that name, I am referring to what's in that gallery currently: hinahara.deviantart.com/galler…
ReiraSeo, even though it is the same account as Hinahara, is me referring to her account back when it had the old deviations and name: web.archive.org/web/2014072317…

Moving on:



Point Right Yes, they both appear to speak Spanish.
Point Right They both have said they use Manga Studio.
Point Right Their use of kawaii stitching "- - - - -".
Point Right Their affinity with Hatsune Miku.
Point Right Their affinity with CLAMP.
Point Right The titles and concept of greeting deviations. Hinahara's "Hi DA!" and Dekomory's "Hello DA !!!".
Point Right They both tag deviations with "#sweet" or "#sweet[eyes/girl/etc]" despite the content of the deviation??? That's really specific IMO. Hinahara VS Dekomory. Have a look through their galleries for more.
Point Right Same use of this specific design doily???—Hinahara's VS Dekomory's.
Point Right Hinahara's OC and Dekomory's OC 's ear piercings.
Point Right The way they ink collarbones as thick dips—ReiraSeo 1 + ReiraSeo 2 VS Dekomory.
Point Right Their interaction with Yamio—Hinahara VS Dekomory.
Point Right Exact same tweet tags and style??? Come on now—Hinahara VS Dekomory.
Point Right Just to prove to you that Dekomory is capable of lying about who she isn't, see here that Hinahara is still pretending she's not Tsubakie, even though the proof from earlier proves that Tsubakie = Hinahara.

WOW this is just icing on the cake. Why even!? Just to prove she's not Hinahara, she'd purposely interact with her in plain sight. Nice.

Conclusion: Why is any of this relevant? Okay, so what if she is them? Because if Tsubakie = MiuMiusArt = ReiraSeo = Hinahara = Dekomory, then that's full-on PROOF that she is a tracer despite her words, "THIS IS THE ONLY TRUTH: I DIDN'T TRACE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, and I'LL NEVER DO IT." as quoted from here and archived here just in case :) (Smile)
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Here's my personal thought:

Basically it started with Tsubakie and Reira-seo who were both tracers and scammers (there's proof in journal and she even admitted it herself), later they admitted being a same person. Tsubakie became inactive and Reira-seo gave her account to her "friend" Hinahara. Hina was denying being same person as Tsubakie when asked (aka reira-seo). Then Deko came along and Hina suddenly went inactive. Hina gave Deko points, advertised her in her journal and acting all buddy with her, even though Deko had only been there for a less than a week. Later Hina made a journal stating that she's going to close her account, because she cannot handdle two accounts at the same time and will be moving to tsubakie.(proof: Hinatsu)
. So basically Hina, tsubakie and reira-seo are all the same person but now the tsubakie has deactivated. People started to investigate and realized, that tsubakies old username used to be Miumiusart and then people found out that Miumiusarts old account is actually Meduss4. So basically Meduss4, Miumiusart, tsubakie, reira-seo and hinahara are all the same person. If you google meduss4 you'll find this picture:

E8030903d4e0f4da631109cbbdae2aa2 by MilanaMill  Wyrm By Dekomory-d8eefcu by MilanaMill  
Aren't these kinda similar in way? Same gradient colors, floating petals, same expression, same angle, same floaty hair and same shading style. The only difference is colors and style. 

Now I'd also like you to know that all these people are spanish, have cintic, use manga studio, admire exactly same artists, Reira-seo traced from Zeronis as well, they all like Ahri or have drawn fan-art of her (From lol), they were also both born on 12th march and are about 20 years old: i.imgur.com/ubpOfXi.jpg, i.imgur.com/qwcO38V.png. Someone had a bigger list but cannot remember. The funny thing is that Deko matches to all of those, except that she haven't done fan-art of ahri. 

So this could prove that Deko is actually former tracer and scammer called Hinahara/tsubakie/reira-seo/Miumiusart/Meduss4. 





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:iconskinny-bwisou:
skinny-bwisou Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2017  Professional
tl;dr' 
All i did was search up "people who traced art and end up here
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:iconkittymachina:
KittyMachina Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Welp. Didn't know this happened. 
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The-Emmeranne Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2017  Hobbyist
I'm not sure if you noticed but the "M" on the last pink image is m-aruka's watermark/signature. This is SO LOW that I can't even explain
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cobalt225 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2017
Which party are you attacking, fellow user?
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annemarie-broeder Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2016  Student Digital Artist
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGzjP_…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSio2K…

Maybe you should catch up yourself about the topics before you rant about them.

Numyumy's Style comes close to Sakimi Chans cause N. is supporting her on patreon and works with her tutorials.

So please get your shit together and stop hating about other people when you haven't got the right information to do so.

Thank you.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
First you're commenting on wrong journal. Second no painting can line up so perfectly by free hand. Also no one is denying that she can draw her own stuff but it doesn't disprove her tracing either. It's not the question of style, it's the question of numyumy's paintings lining up almost perfectly to some of the art made by not only sakimi but other artists as well.
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annemarie-broeder Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016  Student Digital Artist
But why should she trace when she could do it on her own? And have you seen the paintings of the older artists of history? Did they trace as well cause they painted their pictures so perfectly? When you say she is a tracer cause she paint too perfectly, than is Charlie Bowater a tracer, sakimi chan and others as well. Art is something you can train and learn. When you invest enough time than you could draw and paint photorealisticly. no joke. 
Yes some pictures seem similar and the styles too, but thats not something we should hate on her. Everyone has a few references which he uses. It might be a pose or whatever. Thats not tracing. 
When you would see her Videos on YouTube, especially this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MnaoX… then you know thats she paints everything on her own. Maybe with some reference. And why should she not? Not everybody can paint poses or faces out of imaginary. Its nothing to be ashamed of or to hating about.
I hate it, when people denying an artist because of his skills in which he invested much time and probably money, only cause he is "too perfectly". 
whatever. go on with whatever this might be. dont believe her. but one day, when you have reached the same level, there will be a group that will say the same about you and your art. 
So, have a nice day. ^^
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CookieGoneBad-Chan Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"But why should she trace when she could do it on her own?" Cause she's lazy or straight up not good at art.
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When you say she is a tracer cause she paint too perfectly, than is Charlie Bowater a tracer, sakimi chan and others as well." That wasn't what she said if you read the sentence correctly. She was saying that Deko's lines matched up too well with Sakimi's lines, hence Deko was tracing.
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Art is something you can train and learn. When you invest enough time than you could draw and paint photorealistically. no joke. " This is something all artists know, but clearly from all the evidence shown above this is not the case and also learn how to spell, photorealistically, right. Deko traced to the point of even the facial features lining up.
"When you would see her Videos on YouTube" Obviously Deko isn't that dumb as to broadcast her tracing, so of course she's going to use her own skill in the vids, but even then you can see the difference in the drawings she's traced and the one's she did on her own.
Using references isn't what Deko is being shamed for, it's for the obvious tracing/copying.
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I hate it, when people denying an artist because of his skills in which he invested much time and probably money, only cause he is "too perfectly"." Once again read the OP's sentence cause this isn't what she said/stated.
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but one day, when you have reached the same level, there will be a group that will say the same about you and your art." Nobody assumes of tracing unless they have proof, so awks.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You clearly didn't read any of the comments didn't you. 
See the issue here is that her art is not consistent. Sorry to say but in some of her pictures the anatomy is just plain bad, this video example you sent me for example looks really really bad tbh. The anatomy is so messed up, foreshorting doesn't work, her spine is twisted beyond possibilities and the shading is all over the place. See some of her older works (which have been proved to be traced) were much much better than this one for example, just look at my journal about numyumu.
Numyumu can draw pretty faces but she falls flat on basically everything else. She does not have one illustration in her gallery with fully detailed and rendered background. The only picture she has is a classroom and even that is painted over a 3d model offered by her program. 
She traces, because she needed attention fast and tracing saves time and effort. When you trace you can post more art, more often that is also better quality than your own. 
Nothing in numy's art is "perfect" the only thing that is perfect is how perfectly it LINES UP With the pictures she traced. There are gifs in my journal just go and look. milanamill.deviantart.com/jour… here's even a link for you.
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Azrael-Santi Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2016
Couldn't agree more to :iconmilanamill: .. the inconsistency of her artworks are suspicious... and it's not the usual inconsistency suffered by normal artists, it's the kind which make you question why she does so poorly on her new ones while her old artworks are god-like professional level..
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:iconmilanamill:
MilanaMill Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Couldn't have said it better. It's understandable that when you push out a lot of art the quality is gonna drop but that doesn't mean that you suddenly unlearn to draw all over again. Like I'm sorry for being harsh but her new art proves that she has no idea what she's doing. Even her newest anatomy studies make absolutely no sense at all.
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Dovahkiin55 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
OMG Does she learn?
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ForgottenHeroine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2016
this is fucking disgusting! I hate when people steal others art!
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:iconcybornejo:
Cybornejo Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
when you dont practice your basic exercises this happends
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed :/
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JelArts Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016   Digital Artist
Why am I so blind to these things. I didn't even know Numyumy was Dekomory... O.O
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:iconmilanamill:
MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tbh she's not all that good at hiding her tracks but if you're not all that familiar with her then it's easy to miss. I moved the evidence to new journal btw. This one was starting to become too long.
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JelArts Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016   Digital Artist
Oh thanks for telling me! I'll check it out.
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apotatoflew Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
holy fuck
I never would have thought
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:iconmilanamill:
MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well now you know :) I moved the evidence to new journal, because this one started to lag too much ^_^ 
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Mikkie15 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Student General Artist
Why do people insist on stealing when they can simply learn from tutorials or even ask a fellow artist for their opinions?? Tracing c'mon, we all did that when we were kids, time to grow up. Referencing as stated is a GOOD thing it helps us to build certain skills with drawing just looking and drawing a few lines.

I remember when I first started on dA I was using bases and giving credit to the artist (I THINK WE ALL WENT THROUGH THIS PHASE) and that's okay cause we were just starting out digitally.

The internet now has turned into this massive library with heaps of helpful resources, just even watching how other people draw on YouTube is helpful but DON'T steal their work.

I learnt how to draw through school in art classes that paid off and even outside of school there are heaps of learning opportunities for artist who are wanting to improve. Now when I want to draw something digitally I would draw it on paper and scan it but that's still something that has been done from scratch.

And as an artist have a wide variety of skills eg. knowing how to draw both anime/manga and semi-realism and even knowing how to use different materials. As an artist you don't have to draw the same thing over-and-over again for example if you rarely draw trees, learn how to draw one.

"The simplest of things start with a circle and a line"

WHY STEAL WHEN YOU CAN LEARN??
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Animalme Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because some people don't want to learn. They take the easy, often illegal, way out.
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Mikkie15 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016  Student General Artist
That or they don't have the time or the patience to do it or are just flat out lazy. As for illegal it all falls under the copyright law and legislations often leading to fines, it may also partially fall under theft depending how bad it is. But yes I see where you are coming and the things I have stated are all based from the country I live in (Australia)
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Animalme Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, that too.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wise words my friend. 
I have hard time understanding why she does this either. She has been tracing and making money for at least 3 years and I called her out on it last year (and again now). During all that time she could have focused on improving in order to make her own art but instead keeps relying on tracing other people's works.
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Bayllie Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, the amount of effort you volunteered to share all this info is admirable. Thanks for letting everyone now. :> Always disappointing when someone who obviously has the skill to make their own art doesn't. No hope for this person
This page makes me lag so bad though LOL. So much info!
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:iconmilanamill:
MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aaws sorry for the lag :D I'm so proof hungry I just had to add it all ^^' 
But yea it's really a shame, 'cause she has done this like 3 years if not longer and she should have improved enough to make her own art but yet she traces. I don't understand why would anyone even do that :/
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Bayllie Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I completely agree. If you have a problem with drawing or proportions, then learn! And you're right! In 3 years, this person could have learned how to draw their own characters and create her own style. 

Having your own style is much more impressive than being able to produce something similar to other people. Hopefully one day in the future, she'll grow up and realize why that isn't okay. Hopefully this whole debacle will help her mature and improve. 

But if no one was going to call it out, she wouldn't know that she's wrong. So it's really great that you're doing this. People may see it as mean or etc, but I see it more as a chance to start fresh and new. For her to own up to what she did, take this as a life lesson, and hopefully make something good out of it. HOPEFULLY. 
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
 
Exactly, there's nothing fun at tracing either. I cannot imagine feeling any satisfaction towards my art if were to trace my works. Improving and learning new things in my opinion is really as well. 

Honestly though she doesn't learn. I hate to speak ill of someone but I have watched this girls doing for couple of years at least and this is her 7th or 9th account where she has done this same thing. She's nothing but fame and power hungry who doesn't have any respect towards anyone's work. Sadly this girl holds no respect towards anyone's work unless she can benefit from it, to her even her own followers are just fools for her to play with. 

Only thing I wish is that word would get around enough so that people won't just simply trust her anymore. I personally feel angry for the people she's lying to. It's shameful when you know your idol turn out to be nothing but a lying thief and sadly I have seen it happen many times over and over. 
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Bayllie Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree. It would be like singing someone else's song, but people only like the lyrics, which you didn't do. 

After that many accounts, it's very doubtful she'll stop. But she is young, so hopefully once she's older she'll see the error in her ways. It just sucks that it could take many years. 

I feel bad for her fans as well. I especially feel bad about people who watch her and not Sakimichan. She deserved so much credit, yet it all goes to a thief. All those watches are basically wasted. I'm sure sakimichan must have so much patience, dealing with people like this, and I'm sure she's grateful to you for shining a light on this. 

But hey! To other, YOUR their idol. A lot of people don't have the guts or passion to come out and do what's right. Hell, I respect you for it. So you should be your own idol :> 
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually sakimichan cannot really do anything. See the reason why she steals from very famous people, ie, zeronis, sakimichan etc is that those people cannot really get involved in drama, because it would tarnish their reputation, also there's no guarantee they'll even see this journal, because many people steal their art, so it's like being fish in the ocean. 

I am personally a little doubtful. It says in her IG that she's 23 years old, which means she's 3 years older than me. In my opinion as soon as you hit the age 20, you should take a bit responsibilities from your actions, since you're not a teenager anymore. 

Hahha thank you :) I've just watched some big artists who turned out to be thieves and while I was never a huge fan of any of them, it was really sad to see how crushed the actual fans were when they learned the truth. I feel bad for those kind of people who think she's genuine. 
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Bayllie Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh you know what, I didn't even think about the reputation aspect. It must be so frustrating as an artist, plus with the amount of people who steal, you'd be fighting every other day to get stuff taken down. It doesn't even seem worth it from their point.


And hey! We're the same age haha. I know she's older than me, and I find myself very mature for my age, but I know plenty of people far older than me who still have a lot more maturing to do. I just hope that's the case for her, but honestly from everything you've said, it doesn't seem like it. It seems she's just stuck in teenager land.  

It sucks in those scenarios, because then when you find genuine talented artists, you sit their still questioning. You're always on guard, trying to almost analyze the art to see if it's traced, just because you don't want to be fooled again. 
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep indeed. Honestly yumy is not stupid, in fact she's kinda smart. When you steal from really (like really) famous artists just like sakimi and zeronis who are her main targets, the risk of you getting trouble for it is actually kinda small, because those artists even if they wanted to, cannot really take care of every thief there is. 

Hey *high five*! But yea I've met some people in their mid thirties who I sometimes look and wonder if they were dropped on their head as child for being so immature. Though I also think that when you're a "professional" making money out of art, the age no longer matters. I mean it doesn't matter if you're 14 or 30, when you open up the market for yourself to make money it's all the same. If you scam people, steal or lie the age becomes irrelevant as soon as money is involved. She has been called out several times, this journal was made is 2015 for the first time and now I edited the new proof. If she hasn't learned from that, she won't learn from anything. 

You read my mind. Indeed trust is not easily built and when you face the same thing happening over and over, you start to become really skeptical towards everyone. Even if they were to find a new honest artists, they may not allow themselves to get "attached" to that artist anymore, due to past. This is also really harmful for those artists, who try to make a living, because your followers are too afraid to donate you money in case it's a scam.
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dhmanga186 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016
So that's why I thought numyumy had a bunch of stuff looking like sakimichan.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yup just a basic tracer here :)
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dhmanga186 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016
I wonder how one can spot these tracers and art thieves better.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I follow variety of art blogs exposing thieves like her but usually those blogs have a bad reputation, since tracers and thieves like her, claim it as "harassment" and therefore giving bad reputation to reasonable art blogs. It's shame but it comes with territory. 
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dhmanga186 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016
I suppose that's to be expected from said art thieves trying to counter claim; might make it difficult to tell legitimately bad blogs from those being false flagged.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed and when enough people falsely claim them as toxic it becomes a stereotype of those blogs which is really sad. That's why I usually take it upon myself to get the word go around at DA's end. 
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dhmanga186 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016
Seems like you're still a reputable source so far, so we have that going for us.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hahha thank you. I don't mind getting into arguments or being part of drama but I do not tolerate people harassing each other. I've banned few people who're with me or against me for flaming other people in the comments, so I do try to make this a short of civil place to voice your opinion without getting harassed for it. Besides in my defense having a lot of proof and valid points only plays in my favor so I see no reason to be biased. I also want to stay truthful to people and show the other side of the argument without getting emotional or attacking anyone. We had this journalist course in school (we had to take it), so I guess that's where I learned how to output my material yet stay neutral about the issue :D 

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I had to make a new journal for this drama though, because people sent me more proof and adding it all to this would have made it too long. I still got people saying they'll send me more proof and overlays if they happen to get those, so it's good to be prepared early. I just need to figure out how to get the word out though, because in the end I'm not that popular and I want her watchers to know what's truly going on. 
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Tails-275 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016
Well sounds like an annoying problem.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
She has done this for several years and it's just horrible to see, how people give her money and pay for the work not even made by her.
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Tails-275 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016
Well...thats a big problem on this site._.
I hope you will be okay.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yup, I was able to deal with the previous drama (see 900 comments :,D) so I can deal with it now as well. I just hope to get word around you know. She has new audience now who don't know her past.
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Tails-275 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 4, 2016
Okay I understand.
I wish you good luck:)
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you :)
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Tails-275 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2016
Hehe anytime my friend:pat:

Btw,I´m Steve.
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MilanaMill Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sry for really late reply, this got buried over all the other comments. If you have proof (I don't doubt you but I need it) that they're the same person, I can edit the journal. Anything is ok and the more the merrier, screenshots preferred.
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