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:star: for this entry: [link]

:star: more about the project: [link]

Edit: We are already approved on Kickstarter, the pitch video is in the making.

Judging by this chart, we will need around 33K per year to keep this project going full time. At current stage, everyone can only work on it at spare time, it will take forever to get it done unless we have sponsors.

If 15 people donate 170 dollars per month, we'll reach about 30K in 12 months and can launch full production.


:w00t: Note: If you have no money, you can help by telling people about this crazy start up director and her project, and that you are watching her every step online. XD (that's still a huge favor to us because we need more people to know about it at this point)



Chart break down by: :iconwandarocket: and :iconmayshing:


Just to give everyone an idea:

20 K is needed for a person to stay employed full time a year, which comes down to 1.6K a month. Just an OK amount.
then you have 10K to split for the contractors. Each of them needs 600-1000 for a week's work.

Cost of Japanese anime: [link]

Cost of American cartoon is 300K-1 million depending.


Japanese anime is cheap because it is rumored that animators there are work on average, 1 dollar USD per hour.
I have no desire to abuse talent like that. -_-
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:iconmb-ai:
mb-ai Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Yen you need it divided by hours not by processes. Minimum wage per hour is 5-8 dollar range. Even simple scenes to animate may take couple of hours. So you are under budgeting yourself. If you set such stanards, it will make your life harder. Also don't make the same mistake as Osamu Tezuka he under budgeted the price, so always try going for higher even if sometimes you loose things. Never undervalue your work.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010  Professional Filmographer
valid advice. Right now our budget is actually done referencing the Japanese production, i will see if i can get my friend to help me budget it by hours. Hours is a bit harder to calculate when everyone has different speed.
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Obi-quiet Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
Good luck! :hug: Well, if this gets off the ground, I'm all for helping out. Sorry I don't have money to lend right now, but if I get the job I want in January, I might. ;)
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Professional Filmographer
:D thanks! :hug:
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halflingrogue Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010
And oh, crap, I never got my sample to you, did I.
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Professional Filmographer
O.o what sample?
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:iconhalflingrogue:
halflingrogue Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
For inking. orz
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Professional Filmographer
ohhh, lol
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:iconhalflingrogue:
halflingrogue Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
:blush:
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halflingrogue Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010
Did you consider trying Kickstarter.com, Mayshing? Though if you do use it, bit of advice - put this budget up so that people know exactly where their money is going. They're far more likely to pledge if you do. :)
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Professional Filmographer
we are already approved on kickstarter we are preparing materials for the pitch.
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halflingrogue Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
Oh, sweet. I hope it does well!
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NightMargin Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Holyshit that is a lot of money @_@ I never knew a 22-minute animation could cost this much...I've seen a couple of high-quality animations that are made by one person, and I don't know how much it cost them...but if not a lot of people are involved, I don't think the number would be that astronomical.

How many people are on your crew?
I think some of the things on your list (like dubbing and music) you can look for here on dA. Who knows? Some people might even want to volunteer for those roles...

But you're the one with animation experience here, not me. I'm just offering some opinions, haha...
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2010  Professional Filmographer
typically, a 4 people team can pull off something really good looking for 10 minutes in one year. 4 devoted, professional level people that is.

A single artist can also pull off good 6-10 minute film in 1 year, but that means either there are more animation and less backgrounds, or more backgrounds and less animation, or rougher on all of them, either one of the two. Purely due to the limitation of time, because animation is extremely time consuming.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2010  Professional Filmographer
if not a lot of people are involved, it just takes them forever to do it, that's all. Yes, one person can do it, but it doesn't make them heroes, it just takes too long. If I do it by myself full time, it only will take about 7 years. A pro team will finish it in a year, a half-pro team like mine will probably take 2-3 years.

Most people need to work during the week, and can only do it on their spare time, some of the more fortunate ones would have enough money stored up to work by themselves for 1-2 years and come up with something, others get grants, most of us, use our spare time.

Plus, the work load of a 5 minute, to 10 minute film is not quite the same for 20 minutes.

I already have enough help on sound, i don't need anymore, we lack animators and good clean up artists.
My crew will look big because most of them are volunteers, and can only color, average do 1-2 sequences,
a few will take upto 5-10 sequences. The devoted take upto 20 sequences.... but the show is at least 222 sequences.
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NightMargin Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Ooooh ok, you guys really have it cut out then. Well, I wish you the best of luck and hope you'll make the money back after the dvd release 8D
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mrcontroversial Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Japanese anime is cheap because animators there work on average, 1 dollar USD per hour. I have no desire to abuse talent like that. -_- Very honorable for you doing so. :)

I don't have the money to provide, but I do want to support the cause in anyway shape or fashion. You wouldn't any After Effects done would you?
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2010  Professional Filmographer
we would need it, but its going to be quite late in the production stage. :) I will keep you in mind to ask for help.
It will be good if i can see you trying to do some anime style compositing as samples.
Like what this guy is doing: [link]

The reason why anime looks so good is because of all the layers of masking, lights and shadows, plus gradient shadows, and camera movement planning is also extremely important. We are going for more layering than the cheap Bleach and Naruto animation.
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mrcontroversial Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
we would need it, but its going to be quite late in the production stage. I will keep you in mind to ask for help. Sure thing. :)

The reason why anime looks so good is because of all the layers of masking, lights and shadows, plus gradient shadows, and camera movement planning is also extremely important. We are going for more layering than the cheap Bleach and Naruto animation. I see. I know I can handle camera movement very well in After Effects. As for masking, lights and shadows, I can see what I can do to help you and your team on your production. :)

If there's anything that you may want to pass me on as an audition, or even something to practice on so I can be ready to do the real thing, please let me know. :)
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2010  Professional Filmographer
try to do something like this, we will need ALOT of it: [link]
Except we don't use the film footage. lol
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Kenyu05KR Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Professional Filmographer
That's intense! Hope we can get the money together.
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Professional Filmographer
._. i wonder, its a hard sell, but we will aim for 30,000 first.
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Kenyu05KR Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Professional Filmographer
cool, cause I saw the 200G I was like D: lol.
It'll happen :)
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soheil Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
hang on ur gonna pay 1500 dollars to model the robots each from the trailer on ur website?, sereously from what i saw they looked VERY simple to model, would probably take me 5 hours tops for one of them and maybe 2 more for texturing and rigging. where did u get those prices?
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010  Professional Filmographer
sounds like you are a fast modeler, (and you look like one from your gallery, zbrush? :D) so far with the ppl who work for me, they take 1 week on average to complete a model, the fastest is about 3 days. I calculated it as freelance contract, not as in house, if it's in house it would be cheaper.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Professional Filmographer
From other studio pricing,
two of the robots are easier,
but 1 of them takes a lot longer, (main one)
we set it like that for balance,
there are honestly more models to make than 3 robots.
This is an estimate,
the money around the budget will likely get shifted as the whole production goes on.
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yayoikh Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010
Is that salary for animation studios in Japan only? I thought a lot of anime were actually done by Korean animation studios (given the credits I see) - are they similar in terms of salary?

In any case, good luck on this project!
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Professional Filmographer
one thing i know is they all work pretty much slave wages. I'm not sure about Korean pricing, but they take mostly outsource, it can't be that bad. Japan really have it bad because of the competition.
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AuroraWhite Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
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wow, that's a lot of money...
I'm glad you have no intention to abuse talent, that's why someday if I ever do become an animator, I would prefer to work with you.
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LossingFeathers Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010
we where talking about this very thing in Senior Seminar yesterday... This is helpful to see this in a practical setting.
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mrSketchy Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010
have you tried to get any sponsors?
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
no major sponsor right now, I have gotten prices and grants from institution. I will be trying to rise funds in more places.
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Detail Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010
I'd like to know more about this project. Something that costs that much catches my interest.
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:iconmayshing:
mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
most of the info are here: [link]
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leeuwen12 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Student Digital Artist
wow....blez on getting that money!
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ALRadeck Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
...Yowza. Best of luck to you on this!
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Aarri2129 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Oh my, that's quite a lot. I sincerely hope lots of people donate greatly - I would myself, but I'm saving up more money so that I can contribute more to the project, hopefully! Well, if you ever need me to do more work, I've always got time to contribute. I hope things go well with the donation for you!
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
yep keep saving. You are doing a lot already, you have my gratitude. :)
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Aarri2129 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Student Digital Artist
All righty then. ;D
And thanks! It's nothing, though...I'd love to help out more but I'm not quite sure what else I could do. xDD
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
you can help by telling friends/family about it (though i assume your family already knows) XD
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Aarri2129 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Yeah, my family knows. xD But I'll try and get word out to anyone interested in the project, for possibly donating and maybe even helping out as well. *Goes to look through her contacts* :D Anyway, good luck! I'll be rooting for you.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
:hug: thanks!
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Aarri2129 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Sure thing! :hug:
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FantasyGirl105 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
OMG! That's alot for just an amine. O_O
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
this is US tag, Japanese work like slaves.
Unless you work like a slave, this is already cheap.
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FantasyGirl105 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
But still 30k?! That's so much!
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
now you have an idea.

20 K is needed for a person to stay employed full time a year, which comes down to 1.6K a month. Just an OK amount.
then you have 10K to split for the contractors. Each of them needs 600-1000 for a week's work.

A production like Avatar goes upto a million per year for an episode,
and something like Kids Next Door is 475K a year.
Do you have an idea now how much it costs now?

Japanese anime is cheap because animators there work on average, 1 dollar USD per hour.
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FantasyGirl105 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, lol. Now I understand. Though you're a creator of a manga or a cartoon. In the end you get still a bill at the end, right? XP
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
in the end i still have to eat, buy stuff, fix my car, pay the rent, and live like everyone else.
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mayshing Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2010  Professional Filmographer
475K an episode for Kids next door.
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