the recent advent of 3d apophysis fractals motivated a return to my older (but easier to extend) rendering methods... i must honestly say i'm frustrated whenever i read comments saying how "new and innovative" these 3d fractals are, just because apophysis is now doing it in some capacity. this stems primarily from my respect for my fractal-sensei, Aexion, who has been making them for years entirely on his own. the list of homegrown fractalists on deviantart (of whom i'm aware) has lengthened considerably:
MakinMagic
gandreas
casteeld
cyberxaos
jsp7707
JRJay (too bad he's such a wanker: www.fractographer.com/propagan…)
yanekthedarkangel
chaos5
parrotdolphin
greenhybrid
Darnal
Aexion
many of them have made their own 3d fractal renders and renderers, and all of them are doing highly original work. to discount us and say that the 3d apophysis hack is innovative (one of the renders in particular looks very much like my deviation "23") is unfounded and uncharitable, and people in the "fractal scene" should know better!
having said that, i do like the new apo renders (as if i didn't like the old ones enough!) and it's obviously a step forward in flexibility. what i find unfortunate is the fractal community's curiously unattributing response.
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nice one guys, as if you haven't made dA unattractive enough over the years...
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Maybe people are mistaking Zueuks awesome Fractal designing skills for his programming skills?
Also, people want to get their own hands on this 3D stuff and try it out for themselves.
To end on a positive note, cities of tomorrow is awesome
oh and as for *Zueuk's fractal designing skills, there can be absolutely no doubt that he's one of the best. probably he's a good programmer too, although i might question the wisdom of using x87 assembly language "optimisation" these days... well, i am consistently impressed by the wonderful fractals the program is producing (e.g. `MichaelFaber's latest is pretty damn hot), so the programming team are definitely doing good things
I find that the fractal flame images made with Apophysis are more aesthetically pleasing than more traditional fractals. Zueuk is my favorite 2D fractal designer, so I am excited to see him incorporate 3D into his program and his images.
I don't see any comments that say that the new Apophysis images are the first 3D fractals.
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as i mentioned, i think the new 3d apo renders are awesome, but the response was generally "wow you're a genius", "wow you're doing amazing new things" etc., all that for adding a divide by z to someone else's software... that's the point i was making, the technical achievement is extremely exaggerated. actually if they don't release the code soon i might just hack it in, it's probably a tiny change (and people seem to be going nuts for a release).
for the comments, i suppose we aren't reading the same "something new to the fractal scene" billing...
I love *Aexion's work, btw, it's totally inspiring. You'll find much of it in my favs gallery
I bow before both you and *Aexion
it's not that anyone's claiming only apophysis is fractal art, but the 3d rendering apo is doing now just isn't not new and innovative and genius and whatever unless you discount the work people have already done (many years before!) in pioneering the art of 3d fractal rendering. if someone posted on one of my deviations saying, "wow it's great what new things you're doing here with 3d fractals", i would feel compelled to tell them that no, i'm not the first person; conversely i think people who have more than a passing interest in fractals would know about their field? am i the only one who used the "quat" program as a kid? anyway.
I don't know how original, or technically excellent, my POV-Ray macros are at this point
i feel you should also be on that list, can i add you?
Sure, I'd be honored
am i the only one who used the "quat" program as a kid?
I played with the original fractint on my x286 and EGA monitor. Does that count?
and of course your oldskool fractint experience counts (i used it on a 386 first), my general point is that people who are into fractals kinda should be aware of what's new and what isn't. xenodream and chaoscope are two especially well known 3d fractal programs, but there are a lot of others besides the individual attempts by various programmers (the quat program falls under this category) and researchers (see e.g. papers by john hart, especially the 1989 one at the bottom of this page: [link]).
Whoa, hardcore. I can't wait to read your paper
my general point is that people who are into fractals kinda should be aware of what's new and what isn't
There are varying levels of geekiness among fractal artists, I find. Any awareness I have, has come via osmosis over the years. I do this stuff mostly out of procrastination, so I don't take an academic approach to it. I'm nowhere near as informed as I'd like to be -- my knowledge is spotty at best. I'm an unapologetic hack. Perhaps, some time, you could dedicate a journal entry to classic "must read" texts on the subject, and point to any exciting new research... I'm sure I'm not the only one who would benefit from your knowledge of the literature.
Thanks for the the john hart link -- I'll enjoy that, at some point, I'm sure. I'm aware of Xenodream's existence, but haven't explored it yet (I don't really need another addiction -- I'm sure this POV Ray nonsense will keep me busy for a while). I've played with Chaoscope a bit, but it hasn't consumed me yet the way Apophysis has.
about papers, i've basically just found lots of stuff in the last 1.5 years via lots of googling, i'm no expert and i'm definitely not academic about it... however, i do like to learn new things and apply what i've learnt from my fields of expertise (realistic rendering, numerical methods) to other fields, and the field of fractals just happens to be particularly ripe soil for planting these seeds
ohh i should stop making posts at 6am :/
BTW, JRJay [link] does POV-Ray 3D fractals too.
immagonna watch that guy, his gallery seems really interesting (technically inclined, e.g. [link]) and i'll check it properly later today, after some sleep! *sigh* 6am once again... will also make the list additions, thanks for your notice
Here's another one who does some nice 3D fractals: ~yanekthedarkangel.
i'm actually only kinda-sorta back, submitting just for a wee while, because exams are right around the corner!