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Would you buy FAKED pageviews for REAL money? - Related article: news.deviantart.com/article/14… 

43%
1,099 deviants said No. What would be the point? What I get is a number, not real views.
29%
744 deviants said LOL, certainly not!!! Someone must be in desperate need to let them fool this way.
21%
552 deviants said I don't care about pageviews, faked or real.
3%
82 deviants said Yes. I don't care if it's just a fake. The number looks good on my page.
2%
55 deviants said Why not? These additional pageviews will help me to get more attention on my art.
2%
42 deviants said I am not sure. I don't know what the difference is between real and faked pageviews.

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:iconanimatorrawgreen:
AnimatorRawGreen Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011  Professional Filmographer
You do realize there's a way for you to pay Deviant Art to advertise you don't you?

And I suppose if you want your ego boosted you can get them raised if you want to.
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screenname911 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2011  Student Photographer
i might for points that have just been donated to me on deviantart, but nothing i paid actual money for
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Seiran-Photography Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2011  Professional Photographer
I'm just now catching up on this subject. The whole "Pageview" ordeal stems from the fact that a vast majority of Deviants simply do not understand how it works (Maybe they don't care to know/understand?).

While my statement below is obvious for the OP and the rest of the DA Staff, I just want to post it for the record and education.

Your stats have a lot of important information. The first words that SHOULD get your immediate attention are: (x = number)
DEVIANT has xx,xxx pageviews total and their xx deviations were viewed xxx,xxx times. 99% of deviants will see that their TOTAL number of deviations viewed will always out number the pageviews!

Only a small portion of Deviants have their pageview out number their total deviations viewed number. So what? Well, this means that people are either simply passing by your page and NOT looking at your work or you've paid to have a person fake your pageviews.

Your front page is simply a tool that is used to advertise your work. Nothing more...

Your stats DO NOT lie!
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evcik Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think people want pageviews so other artist who are visiting his da profile page would think something like "oh wow, this person has lots of pageviews what's the secret of his popularity" - it's just for show off =_=
as the talented and professional artists say "i don't give a damn about this pageview stuff"
only those with lack of talent , since they actually can NOT attract people with their art will sell their souls for teh fake pageviews just so others can see that they kinda... =/ are popular artists?
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Akita-Daniels Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2011
Kind of late here on my part, but whatever. I cant say I dont care about page views. I do care, in all honesty. But enough to pay money or points to up my views...? Er, no. I'd rather have less views then to have a thousand fake ones.
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:iconzombiesandwich:
ZombieSandwich Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Warte mal ich kappier das grade nicht - du bist selbst bei einem Merchant ganz dick gefeatured - aber schreibst einen Atikel gegen Pageviewhandel mit Bots. Ist der Merchant bei dem du gefeatured bist nun Fake oder echt, weil ich kam durch "seine" Seite auf dein Profil, und bin gerade ehrlich gesagt ziehmlich verwirrt....
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:iconlilyas:
Lilyas Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2011  Professional General Artist
Ja, wo ist das denn bitte???? Zeig mal.
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ZombieSandwich Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
[link]

Hab aber einen Fehler gemacht, dachte alle Bilder wären von dir.... dennoch kappier ich das grad nich. Woher wisst ihr, dass das Bots sind? Der Member hier hat sehr viele Besucher, ich kann mir gut vorstellen, dass ein Frontpagefeature bei dem ausreicht.

Und wieso machen die Admins da nix? Indem sie zB mal die Funktion einführen die Pageviews auf der Frontpage ganz zu verstecken. Bin verwirrt.... o_O
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:iconlilyas:
Lilyas Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2011  Professional General Artist
Naja, es gibt wohl verschiedene Möglichkeiten, künstlich Seitenzahlen zu produzieren. Aber die Art und Weise ist eigentlich egal. Dieser Ioulaum zum Beispiel hat sich selber ein paar Millionen Views verpasst, wo vergleichsweise wenig Besucher dahinter stehen. Guck mal, der hat 0 Bilder in seiner Gallerie. Wie soll das gehen? Alle Watcher, die er hat, hat er durch die Favs bekommen, die er gegeben hat (knapp 5.000 Watcher auf 73.000 Favs). Außerdem schickt er Notes zu Leuten und wirbt für seinen Service. Habe auch eine bekommen.

Und wieso die Admins nix machen? Sie betrachten es offiziell nicht als Missbrauch. Allerdings habe ich bereits vor Wochen einen Report an entsprechende Staffmitglieder geschickt mit einer einleuchtenden Beweisführung, dass dieses Seitenzahlen-Generieren durchaus Missbrauch ist. Leider hat sich noch keiner dazu geäußert. Offenbar ist hier das Geschäft wichtiger als Fairness, denn DA verdient ja an der Sache kräftig mit. Aber ich bleibe dran, solange bis ich eine Anwort habe.
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ZombieSandwich Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Als Spyed mal vor knapp 2 Jahren in Berlin war habe ich ihn auf das Pageviewsproblem angesprochen weil schon damals zu viele Leute besessen davon waren und ich wissen wollte, ob man das nicht irgendwie verstecken kann wenn man keine Lust hat, auf die Zahlen reduziert zu werden.

Damit er die Pageviews sind ein wichtiger Bestand der Community und der Beteiligung der Member, und sagte laut, dass ja jeder auf die DeviantART Frontpage will. Zu diesem Zeitpunkt hatte die Frontpage mit Standardeinstellungen aber nur ca 25 Plätze und ich fragte ihn, wie das denn bitte gehen soll, bei ein paar Millionen Usern.

Natürlich haben ihm diese kritischen Fragen nicht gefallen weil er ja quasi auf DA Promotour war... aber wenn ich eben an dieses Gespräch zurückdenke, dann kann auch ich mir denken, warum DA wohl kein Interesse daran haben wird, da etwas zu unternehmen. Ich würde gern ein Journal darüber schreiben wir hier ein Markt mit Zahlen entstanden ist, muss mir aber erst überlegen wie, da ich eigentlich keine Zeit und Lust mehr habe, mich um mein Profil zu kümmern... vielleicht hau ich das Journal von meiner Frontpage runter, dann sehen es nur meine Watcher und ich hab weniger mit dem Kümmern zu tun, kann aber trotzdem sagen, was ich denke.

Hm....
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:iconlilyas:
Lilyas Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2011  Professional General Artist
Mach das ruhig mal, wenn Du Zeit hast.
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ZombieSandwich Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Ich denke die Admins würden mich für das was ich da gerne schreiben würde extrem hassen.... muss mir erst noch überlegen ob ich das wirklich will, lol!
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Lilyas Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Professional General Artist
Darüber, was andere über mich denken mögen, wenn ich meine ehrliche Meinung sage (vorausgesetzt natürlich so respektvoll wie möglich), mache ich mir keinen Kopf. Ist deren Problem.
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saricia Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2011
to my mind fake points won't make any difference, what you need is real opinions to grow professional and learn new skills and, of course, real favourites, so that people could see your works spread.
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RockBarnes Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2011
Hah! Far the most votes on "No." - didn't expect that. I wonder how many of these voters were hones (to themselves even) when voting.

Skyrocketting your pageview counter is even possible with out a script. Once I came across a case where an art thief copied some drawings of someone with a big fan club and left hints behind, then he waited until it got discovered. Than he tried to provoke anger and all kinds of reactions to get them come back and involve more and more people. Of course the copyright infringement was reported, on a thursday or friday. Nothing happened until monday. During the weekend the machine got rolling faster and faster, gaining some 10000+ pageviews (and all were real, caused by angry fans of the original artist (who had not even a hundredth of these pageviews), making rude comments over and over while most likely reporting the piece 1000 times...) before he got banned.

From that I learned that the pageview counter is totally worthless. It only shows that the page got hit so many times - by yourself, by someone who came back to it a hundred times, by lots of people who got there by chance, didn't like it and never came back or by a bot that "visited" the page 10000 times in a second or by whatever. Useless.

After that incident I switched myself to "blind for pageviews".

But anyway, thanks for spreading the info.
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Lilyas Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2011  Professional General Artist
Interesting what you say. And I can't even deny that you are right. When I have a discussion running in my journals, polls or news that naturally causes drama (like this pageview thing) then a lot more people than usual are visiting my page. :nod:

I think the poll result is quite alright because even it's only 3% of the people that would pay for pageviews it isn't a small number of actual people. Try to imagine how many 3% out of 15.000.000 people is, the approximate current number of DA members.
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RockBarnes Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2011
:) Thinking about it... People who are (maybe temporarily) more on the emotional side than on the rational side may IMHO be more likely consider pageviews as a measurement for being "popular"...

Well, there are "kiriban" for a certain level of pageviews or such... once in a while I come across these, therefore I got the impression that a lot more people take pageviews rather serious, say, rather 30% or more than 3%. Alas, paying for pageviews might be considered not correct, thus reducing the number. But still I rather thought of at 10%... Or I'm just moving in the wrong circles, where the number of pageview-considerers is higher than average... :)
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:iconworldwar-tori:
WorldWar-Tori Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011   General Artist
I don't really care about pageviews... however, I'd rather see the real number than a fake one :shrug:
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Dynamo-Deepblue Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
That's so stupid...why should people even care about pageviews anyway? I think really that's a waste of people's time, and that if people are buying pageviews that they are seriously narcissistic and need to get a life.

Besides, a bunch of people I know tell me I'm a great artist, but even though I am, I'm not telling everyone "OMG EVRY1 LOOK AT MAH PAGE SO I CAN HAS OVER 9000 PAGEVIEWZ!" And that goes for people who aren't as great too...doing that just proves how much of a baby someone can be.

I don't even have over 9000 pageviews. XD
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IMNOTCRAZY1 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011
This reminds me of Forever Alone face. :iconforeveraloneface:
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:iconnalafontaine:
NalaFontaine Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Would it be like sending yourself a bunch of fake valentine cards?
Giving people a false impression of popularity that doesn't exist really means nothing at all.

The only thing that annoys me about all this is when they try to boost up their daily pageviews so that they can get on the front page, knocking down artists who are popular and loved for real. Probably why I don't visit the front page anymore :/
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HeyItsSpiffy Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011
I've not checked my pageviews in ages, and I have it hidden on my userpage. :shrug: It's a number, it means nothing more. Anyone who is prepared to pay money to have their pageviews inflated is an idjit! :brainless:
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LabLayers Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Student Interface Designer
I do not what happened, but LOST 1000 pageviews overnight. Did not do any scrips... but how can I lose pageviews? Is there a script for that?
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:iconlilyas:
Lilyas Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Professional General Artist
Actually that is impossible.
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LabLayers Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Student Interface Designer
I do not what happened, but LOST 1000 pageviews overnight. Did not do any scrips... but how can I lose pageviews? Is there a script for that?
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Scellanis Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I watch my pageviews but its because I want to know if people are visiting, would never pay for fake pageviews by a bot. I already know how to boost my pageviews the real way, contests!

Anyways, if I were to spend points for pageviews it would be on one of those DA ads to get real people.
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Calstor Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
The pageview number is just a way to boost one's ego. If people are willing to pay points to inflate their egos a bit, why stop them?

People should know that pageviews are just a number anyway.
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darthshade245 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
dont care about that stuff. i upload for the hell of it.
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Amberrant Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I want real pageviews, real commentary and I want to discuss my (or someone else's art) with a real person, provided that opportunity comes along. Some people use dA as a means by which to get notice and really earn money, some people use it to actually belong to a community that they don't/can't really have IRL. Some people doubt that they'll ever go pro but it's just something to do. If they get comments, pointers and fans during the process, thats cool. But others, it is merely a careless thing on the side. A way to cause mischief for someone and not be tracked down. Rules are for 'fool's. These people can have the fake pageviews. The counterfeit appreciation. My only problem is that their negative attention messes with the little people around here. The world is full of do-what-I-want-to's. So many. What's a single person supposed to do?
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Tatsuhoshi Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011
While I mean nothing discriminatory or against these people, I've seen people on dA, before this whole pv-botting started with the artwork of 3rd graders at best with well over 10k pv in less than a few months....

I'm not out for attention, but I joined dA for the supposed art community that was to be found here, and in all my time here, I've not found it. Pageviews are not a rating of popularity or how good of an artist on, and without feedback from the views, real ones or otherwise, they really serve no purpose.
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Fealight Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
for me i do want more pageviews but if i 'buy' it then it really would be just numbers, some people can look at that and comment on my profile more buut i think ill just wait till i get some real pageviews.....
and as for otherpeople, if they know what there doing is just adding numbers to the page, then thats their choice but if they are decieved in to thinking that they are getting actual pageviews, then thats just wrong and they do need to know that they are getting only some numbers.....
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srybutuwerestCEROd Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011
i don't even know how many pageviews i have.....
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kirei-akatsuki Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't really see the point in involving money with DA, for me posting my artwork and sharing it with others is a light fun filled hobby, and i feel proud of what little pageviews i have, because i know at least someone has actually viewed my work and hopefully liked it. I dont make art for a living its just a hobby that brings me joy, but i guess if ppl were actually trying to make money off their work they may think the higher page views may help them, fake or otherwise. All i can say is DA is about the art and the satifaction your work gives you, if other ppl like it then it's just an added bonus. Not to be too blunt about my opinion but i think if someone spent money on fake pageviews they must be really vein to worry about stuff like that.
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xTernal7 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Importance of stuff on deviantART:
Less----------------------------------------------------------------------More:
Pageviews < Artwork views < comments < :+fav:s < CC (Constructive critic/comment)

So: [inapropriate expression] pageviews and no I wouldn't ask for faked pageviews even if they paid me. (Okay, if they paid me enough... I have my own price).
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:iconres-gestae:
Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Professional Filmographer
Who am I to judge what people spend their money on?
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Elainne Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011
Well, that's true.. But many people does'nt know about this,that the're being deceived, so i think there's nothing wrong to warn them either xD
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:iconres-gestae:
Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Professional Filmographer
My grandmother is convinced that, if she keeps buying lotto tickets, she has to eventually win. She's wrong but, hey, that's her money.
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:iconelainne:
Elainne Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011
Yes indeed, thats her money xD. But she also knows that in every ticket she buy, yes, there's a probability to win like a probability to lose.

What I was saying is that, there's nothing wrong to inform people about this xD
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Professional Filmographer
You clearly haven't met my grandmother, lol. No matter how many times we explain it, she still thinks that she has to win if she keeps getting tickets.

Yeah, true. Informing is fine but there's a general air of shock around here. People buy worthless stuff all the time so it's no biggie.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
"Real" money? Where can I get this? :lol:

Considering that people have paid for WoW accounts and, well, other things that have absolutely no real life value not that I'm saying anything about some of the badges...this actually isn't that surprising. I'm jealous they have the luxury to think about doing this kind of thing.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
But if anyone wants me to look at their art, $1 gets you five real comments! Now that's value.
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JayLPhotography Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
It's like I'm getting hired to comment on your stuff... o:
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly! But if you say that directly, people may realize it's silly D:
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:iconjaylphotography:
JayLPhotography Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
LOLOL
ikr.
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:iconlittlemissreya:
LittleMissReya Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
What's the point? It's not as if there was any more feedback or favs because of it.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist
I've noticed people treat pageviews as friends on facebook. They like to brag about having a bigger number when in the end, the numbers are useless anyway.

Just like if someone in an online game wants to spend real money for in game money, it is their money and their decisions. Either decision doesn't hurt me one bit.
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Yerfdog5 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
As you state - What is the point. I do like watching my page views climbing and are about to get to 5000 and it has taken a full year, my deviations are about 600 now and I have a reasonable watchers list. The pageviews gives me an indication of the activity on my site.
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baba49 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's partly sad, partly amusing to see how far people go to cheat themselves. Recently I saw an account about 5 months old with less than 10 deviations in the gallery with almost 10'000 pvs. I wondered at the time how that person did it. I didn't know about the manipulation method and the buying possibility but assumed the persons did nothing else but open and close her dA page :rofl: Anyway I don't know who they think they can fool except themselves :lol:
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Lilyas Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011  Professional General Artist
The sad part is some of them are aware of the fact that they fool themselves. They must be desperate.
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:iconbaba49:
baba49 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:lol: It's beyond me to understand what satisfaction they can possibly get out of it. I don't care if someone has a million pvs if I don't like their art :D
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