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Over the past couple weeks, I've gotten to know the "hardcore" side of Smash Bros. If you want to play the game with no items on "neutral" stages, go for it. But I personly like playing Smash Bros because of the randomness and wacky stages.

Only a few more days until it's released in Japan, then the Smash forums can stop posting rumors!
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4dojo Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2011
cylun Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2010
Of course you can fight me on hyrule temple with mewtwo. Items? Sure.
*doesn't turn on a time limit for the stock match, because most people don't know what it is*
Try and catch me now :D

*3 hours later*
"this game's winner!"
OmegaChosen0 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2010
Yeah now everyone is TOURNEY FAG and I am FUCK YOU I AM HAVING FUN HERE
Redmond17 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2010
If you ask me, a real hardcore pro would be someone who strives to deal with the randomness that makes the game fun -- err, I mean, "unfair" -- rather than tell everybody then have to be the same for anything to matter.
EluanTupy Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2010
Smash Bros' "hardcore" fanbase is the very definition of the phrase "Stop Having Guys".
MasterKnightDH Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2011
You mean "Stop Having Fun Guys" but yeah.
InfamousTamago Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010
I bet that if the game makers were to release a game with only one flat level and one character with only a palate change, they would complain that game lacked choice.
ShinChuck Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2010  Hobbyist
This is just perfect. I remember getting grilled once by a couple "hardcore" players for suggesting we turned on items or tried a different stage other than the ONE SINGLE ONE we were using. They were just horrified, like I had suggested we play the game the way the developers originally intended, in the way that differentiated it from all other fighters out there.
Darkangelsv1 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So true... and so sad...
LioSKETCH Featured By Owner May 24, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There's a difference between "hardcore" gamers and actual hardcore gamers. What's funny is I kicked the butts of those who claimed to be hardcore gamers with some pretty low-tier characters.

There's a point to playing games and its not showing off skills. It's to have fun.
ChaosBladewing Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
The thing "hardcore" players dont seem to realize is that it really doesnt take all that much skill to win as Meta Knight on Final Destination with no items against most average at best players.

Skilled players can go along a bit more with the dynamics.
Timic83 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2010
I normally love LFs stuff, but he was really being mean with this. We have fun with no items FD, because we actually have to use skill to win. It makes winning so much more satisfying. Whats more satisfying, beating someone in chess, or beating someone in chess because their hair randomly caught on fire and they smashes the chessboard?

THeres nothing wrong if you wanna play items, but don't act like your tough sh*t if you win with them. Thats like winning fencing fight because you were given a beam sword.
The-Reploidst Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2010
Your comparison is too over exaggerated to get the point across. A better one would've been:"-or beating someone in chess because they got sick on the spot?"

My point? Extreme exaggerations don't get your point across.

My thoughts lie in line with battousaiJoe's, if you can't win without all the items off, then you can't call yourself the best.

The best players can adapt to situations depending on many different factors, including the inclusion of items. They may be an X factor, but you deal with X factors on a daily basis in your life, and like your life, you have to adapt to those X factors to function normally.

The same can be said for games like Brawl.

So, in gist.

"If you can't handle the X Factor, you can't call yourself the best."

That's all.
battosaiJoe Featured By Owner May 20, 2010
The way I see it, being the best is the ability to win in any situation under any circumstances. If you're good enough, you can compensate for items and levels and use them to your advantage even if you choose not to pick them up. It takes just as much skill to win with items on so-called "unbalanced" levels, and if you have to have items off to win, then I ain't gonna call you the best.

But then again, that's just me.
whenbananasattack Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2010
I think he's less making fun of the people who play "No items! Fox only! Final Destination!" and more making fun of people who mock others for playing a different way from themselves.
WolfUrameshi Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2010
Thank you for creating this humorous comedy. It further proves my point that Smash is, was and always will be about fun. It's not meant to be turned into a Marvel VS Capcom 2 clone.

Screw Final Destination. Screw No Items option. Screw hacks. Screw Brawl+. I want my Brawl the way it's meant to be, thanks.
Jumbifed Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
chaosnano Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2009
And this is why I don't play Smash anymore
Patcheresu Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
Wow, you just summed up the attitude of every Mac activist/Stop Having Fun Guy in the world.
LioSKETCH Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is exactly why I don't play Smash Brothers with people I don't know personally.

These "Stop Having Fun" guys are so annoying I feel like I could hurl.
pikamario99 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2009
Fortunately, I don't know anyone like that. I imagine they'd get rather annoying. [/understatement]
Morggehan Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
RyoKasami Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2009
This comic speaks so many things to me.

This is my perfect matchup:


All items
Falcon Only


All Items
Mewtwo Only
Big Blue

XP Awesome stuff.
handsockpuppet Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2009
Ha, it's even more funny now that I've quit Brawl and went back to Melee simply because Brawl isn't as good when it comes to "hardcore" gaming.
keybladebanditjing Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2008

Seriously. Playing on neutral stages with no items removes like 2/3 of the game and makes it no longer fun.
ph34rthis Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2008  Student Traditional Artist
Don't you hate communism?
xShadowPandax Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2008  Student Traditional Artist
:rofl: generic gray cube
handsockpuppet Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2008
While it's true that some people get to into the tourney rules (like me. even Brawl has rules, you know), i remember the same amount of bickering went on when i convinced my friend that Hyrule Castle was banned as when I won. He said "wavedashing is cheap! you're hacking the game!" Think that's any less annoying?
AyameExGoddess Featured By Owner May 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
This is so true. I used to work with a guy who would win every time, but he only ever played on Final Destination, with fox, and no items. God help you if you suggested turning items on!
MarkyVigoroth Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2008
When I first saw this, I wanted to practice on Melee. However, the disc was too scratched up to be useful.

When I actually saw the 2nd page (It actually took me another glimpse to find out that that comic actually had pages!), I agreed with... Kerri regarding balance. However, I changed my mind on the end of the comic. Let Ark use items, play as Mewtwo, and melee on Princess Peach's Castle! The point of this game is to have fun, so do not let your analytical side interfere with that! (No, it is not wrong to analyze Smash Bros, and it can be good for you, yet it should not mess up your fun, nor the fun of others.) Basically put, that is the reason why I use Captain Olimar so often in Brawl: he may not seems to be a tough battler, yet it is fun to play as him!

Then again, I lost on my first Brawl on (what else?) Super Smash Bros. Brawl, yet I had fun, anyways. The game is just too fun to make losses frustrating or weepy.

(By the way, at the end of this comic, I wanted to use Mewtwo on Princess Peach's Castle, yet my Smash bros. Melee disc did not work, even with the scratches removed! Blitznak... At least I have Brawl now!)


(Excuse me if I talked too much... I had a lot to say...)
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008
Looks like Ark has the same tastes I do when it came to Melee, I wonder if he was pissed as me when he found out Mewtwo was cut from Brawl. I know I was as pissed as everyone that found out that E3 is invite only now.
Kaleesh-of-Kalee Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008  Student Traditional Artist
So true! That ruins the fun of the game!

And mewtwo FTW!
handsockpuppet Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Brawl is out, yet SWF is still posting dumb rumors. don't they realize we all have brawl by now?
HakuIceProgidy619 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2008

Yeah reminds me of when me and my friends play our own tournies, we don't do char tiers (It limits the variety and specialty of some players), and we choose mostly balanced maps.

Also we just limit certain items, like say, the max tomato... Beyond that, 95% of the time we play normal, full items, random stage...
Avagueidea Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2008
Hilarious! I was JUST having this conversation with someone yesterday about Brawl! XD

animetedskier Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2008
I detest 'tournament rules' smash, and therefore I love this comic. Getting to play with the environment, characters and weapons is half the fun of the game!
UberGabzz Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2008   Photographer
I fell this is true for a lot of games recently...
DMajorBoss Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2008  Professional Writer
A fine point that you have there, both in Smash and just about any other game of competition. I like being competitive every now and again but, more than that, I enjoy having fun with a game.

Great work here; nicely done.
HaipaYazoo Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2008
ROFL!! Me and my friends always talk like that. This so reminds me of what total geeks we are when it comes to competitive game play in melee. funny Ii font remember a grex box as a character. How did u unlock him XD.
avroillusion Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2008
I usually don't mind the hardcore Smashers, but their whining over how Brawl isn't Melee and they can't use wavedashing and whatnot is just too hilarious to be missed.

Anyway, another awesome comic; I don't think I've ever commented on how much I like these, but I really do.
magicrainboweater Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2008
great comic
and on the raging discussion
it's fun to check who's kinda overall best without items and with items
with items is a whole new level off reflexes it doubles the difficulty in my oppinion you mostly can see the items appearing
if you mistime it own fault

back when i played it daily me and my friend made smash bros look like a show
items flying around, colliding in mid air i think that's more hardcore than two samish characters trying to knock eachother of finaldestination ^^
PaperMatt202 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008
LOLZ! Loved this comic!

"Hardcore" gaming is for losers. I play games for FUN!
magicswordz Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2008  Student Digital Artist
had core smash... lol
joodude Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2008
It's really annoying when people complain when I play in school. I've heard remarks such as:

"NUUUU FOX CANNOT CARGE HIZ LAZORS ON *insert none flat stage here*!!!" and

By the way, my school is filled with wavedashing freaks that say WTF in sentances o.o

Anyway, :+fav:
handsockpuppet Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2008
but playing hardcore is fun! and it's more then just playing on tourney-accepted platforms with broken characters like fox and Marth and playing with no items. Learn to wavedash, L-cancel, tech, and SHFFL and it's much more fun!
r4ind4nce Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
XD cool
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Chaylar Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2008
that exact thing just happened to me! I was forging I level of halo 3 and my friend kept making me change things because it was "Un-balanced"! Sheesh!

so I put all the good stuff at my end and kicked her ass!
NT-121784 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2008
bravo, :D
Luke-the-F0x Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
heh its like the PONG paddles made it in the game. this is a pretty funky comic.
Great job.
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