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She Is Next by Euskelo

Bullet; Red Chitchat about Polls


I do find this tool pretty useful to know a little more about my watchers :)
So get prepared to see some of them pop out on your notification page !

Simple and anecdotical question for this week.. It came to my mind because I'm totally the kind who forget to eat when making art, or at least who don't want to stop just for eating when I'm alone at home.
And I start being used to hear a "Don't forget to eat, right ?" from my mate when she phones me, like she did yesterday.

People around me don't really get why I'm so uninterested per such a basic need when I'm behind my computer. This "You're a Geeeeek !" (rolling eyes) cliché, right. But we all have our priorities and it's so hard for me to focus on a daily basis, once I find concentration, I don't want to loose it.

So I'm just curious if that's the case for anyone else out there, and I'm ready to buy a "FREAK" sign if not, héhé ;)


PURE STEAM - Ironclad Maritime Warship by 47ness


Bullet; Red About using the Watch List in a better way


Linked to my journal about interactions on dA, that you can read here, I noticed another "problem" concerning my way of using dA. And this time it's about the watch list.

I'm watching tons of people whose art inspire me greatly. And that's, in itself, the so-called problem. It's only about art.
I'm watching so many great artists and groups that I like for different reasons, that the things posted by meaningful people just get lost in the tsunami of notifications. And with the limited time I have online, I simply don't have the envy to search for it. Really.
Fact is, I'm actually using dA's watching system as I should use a site like Pinterest. Like a gallery of great things, of art I should save somewhere in case it might inspire me later, when in reality, there is few chance I'll check it later as I'm most enclined to look for inspiration through the search tool or Google when I start a work.

Obviously, I didn't get in touch with all those people I'm (not-really) following, and a good part of them being well-known artists, contact is pretty limited.

Monitor by Endling

Reason why I'll try to clean my watch list a bit, to focus on people who inspire me as artists AND humans, moreover if they are open to exchange. Lower a bit my need of being surrounded by perfect yet cold art, and raise the one of being surrounded by authentic and warm beings, if you see what I mean. Positivity !
 Cheerleader 

Anyway, that's just some food for mind, in case you already felt lost yourself in front of your 10000-notifications page.

Are you watching the right people ? Those who are helping you to grow in one way or another ?


As always, I'm all hear (eyes in fact) when it comes to your advices and thoughts, so feel free to comment. :)


Bullet; Red What's coming next


A cool yet simple concept for a journal I've seen here and there, which might enlarge your community circle a bit, coming this week end. Stay tuned !Pixelist - FTU Block Bullet

I'm off for now because it took me times to write this entry and I need to eat something, you see... ;)
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Chitsuu Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I watch a lot of people (336, ha ha ha) but I think I'll reduce this...
For three years I couldn't keep up with DA and having over 2,000 notifications is truly overwhelming. So while I'm catching up, I also try to just unwatch those I just don't relate to.
For example, I followed a lot of people who have a certain art style, but now that I've evolved, I just don't get what did I find interesting in them ^^'

So for now, just like you wrote, I'm trying to clean up and keep the ones I truly find interesting, and also people I can interact with. Even if it's just them saying thank you, it can grow if I keep commenting \o/
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional
I'm watching approx. the same number of people. Groups included. It's definitively far too much for me.
And yes, staying in front of someone's page asking myself why I do watch it, happens to me often too. It's a good thing though, a nice sign of the evolution of our taste. Artist's eyes have to grow as much as their hands :)

Nooknook wrote me a nice step by step of how she clears her watch list, just below in the comments. You should check it too :)
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Chitsuu Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh thanks, I checked it and it's a nice way of doing it! I'll do that so I can slowly clear my watchlist ^^
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Inspiring words! :) It's funny to think that dA was doing social media before social media had even been properly coined.
I've been on this site since 2003 and, yeah, there's been a shift from the site being very open to comments to one that's mostly lurkers who just fav your stuff to build up their collection. In a way, dA is being treated like Pinterest. :P

But there's so many tools to work with here that each deviant can carve out their own niche, provided they keep up their end (it's not just about drawing and uploading! I find so many underrated artists who go unnoticed because they interact so little with anyone- again with the lurking). I for one want to get in on uploading animation/film soon; it's a lot of extra work vs. illustration, but it's a golden opportunity to grow as an artist! :eager:

By the way, thanks for featuring my work, haha, no less alongside a piece by Endling. XD;;; (I'm pretty sure you were making a point that some artists are so big they don't have time to interact. But who knows? We all gotta make our own choices in life.)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Professional
Hey thanks, it's nice to get the insights of an older member :)

It's totally treated like Pinterest, yes, it's sad and also pretty logical on a growing site when you think of it : The more members, the harder to get known and communicate. It's a vicous circle where more and more people just give up on the comment part because it brings nothing in return (at least immediately, ô impatient world (myself included haha)).
Let's shake them ! :p

The case of the most popular artists is up to debate, and I think this question bother many people.  It does not bother me though, it seems pretty normal to me to stop answering to all the "awesome" comments when you get thousand, there's no other way for their sanity. But yes, you can find other to interect, the simpliest who comes to my mind would be a livestream for example. You just pass from interaction to mass-interaction most of the time. Cause unfortunately (AND hopefully) interaction doesn't make a living tho. ^^

Huge project to delve into animation, will it be linked to your current western comics ? :D
And you're welcome for the feature, I simply like this boat design :)
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
:D

Yeah; it's funny because I've met the Admin at live events and they'll admit it's always tricky bringing in new & newer people (namely, they'll show up and think it's just a pretty gallery site, not realizing they have all the same tools to get involved in the community) but that said each day several thousand new people are discovering dA for the first time- hence the massive rise in members. ;P
Shake it

Livestream is definitely a good way to do a lot of Q&A quickly while making it personable. :) I gave it a shot a while back but (admittedly) I get nervous drawing for an audience and choke easily. :XD:; I've always heard that unless you're already famous (like say an ex-Disney artist, etc.), getting popular through streaming is a long-term commitment; like 6 months of constant streaming to build up an audience and 12+ months to really get noticed. :O I guess if you've got that kind of time and focus...?

At least for now I've always been on-point about replying to everyone, which has allowed for some wonderful friendships and conversations even over dA. :) Interacting through art itself would be fun too (hence while OC commissions and Flash games are always a hit on this site).

And yep! Turning my comic into an animation! I've always wanted that story to be told properly though action! :la:
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional
Oh dear, I don't even imagine myself being part of the staff, manage such an huge community site must be a hell. Moreover dA ! I mean... it's not really user friendly the first times, so yes I totally understand people taking it for a massive gallery, because if you don't take time to delve into it.. it's hard to see something else :O

Livestream seems to be a good thing if you already have some followers yep. I don't think it's really possible to get noticed through, and only through their website. It's been a while since I've been on it, so I don't know if that has changed, but most of the time I was seeing only streams with many watchers in the suggestion field. And it implies some kind of regularity as you said.
There are tons of ways of making a livestrem though. Many people just want to look at the process, so.. turning the recorder ON while you work can be a great thing with no more time involved that the one you put at your work. Then add some Q&A and other stuff here and there... :)

Wooh I'm curious to see what will comes up ! Animation will takes times but it will be worth the efforts I'm sure :)
Do you already have something done or you're just planning it for now ?
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah. Last I checked there's only like 3 dozen or so actual employees at dA's HQ. ^^; Everything else has always done through community outreach. I think that's a good indicator that everyone has a role to play...!

It's a thought...! I know recording VODs and keeping them on YouTube is always a way to bring in new viewers. Also I can time-lapse everything so no one has to suffer through all 20 hours of me messing around). XD
I can probably mix that with more doodle sessions and Q&A. :) Definitely helps to have a face and voice, to make the experience more personable.

Just planning still, while trying to get more regular art done! (Of course for the actual product, I'll need to hire a team so we're not waiting another 3 years for me to get good enough. XD)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Professional
Few people then. Thats why there is so many Community volunteers though.

It's really a big project ! I hope for you it will works. Finding a team of competent people is sometimes hard, especially when you want to find people you can trust, but you probably have some contacts already :)
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Hehe, thanks. It would be nice to find The Dream Team of rockstar animators, voice-actors and whatnot, but just working with honest and considerate people would be great. (I guess I won't know how my team squares until I actually work with them...)
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
First for the "freak" thing, don't worry, there are loads of people who has the same way of doing things (you can count myself in and friends of mine artists or not). It's really this : you don't want to loose the concentration and for a while you're so much in your activity that you forget everything else. The hunger will came back once you've complete the task or before if you're taking too long. That's normal :)

For the watch list, there was a time when I was doing thing the "wrong" way for me. Lots of watches... But I keep trying to answer nearly each of them which cost me so much time I didn't have time to even draw ! And there I thought "wow... there's a problem". And I began to work in a new way with watch lists. It took time and a lot of steps to fullfill it and now I'm happy (even if I still watch a little too much people). I'll tell you the steps I've gone throught :

1/ groups : I stop to watch some of them, I keep those which were really interesting for myself but keeping other just beacause I like to see a lot of different styles in once and just thinking "wow this art talks to me, let's see why" so that I would understand where I want to go next with my art skills :)

2/ famous people with awesome art : that was awesome, right, but did it help me ? There was yes and no, so I kept only the yes ones (few in fact).

3/ old watch : that was a difficult part... They are good in doing their drawings but... that doesn't bring me anything. I watch them for years and they evolved and now they kinda don't evolve as much as before and that's boring for me. But some of them are people I've met in real life so I made something a little strange but I stop watching them and add them on facebook XD (as they know have an artist page and a friend page, I can follow them as a friend and artist with letting a lot of their work going throught the mass but at least I see some and sometime I can tell "wow evolving again and pouf DA again :) )

4/ people with same kind of art : difficult too and kinda strange in a way. People are all unique and different, nevertheless some styles are using the same rules or are similar in several elements. So I unwatched people like that... I'll certainly won't see a lot of really inspiring work, but that's life :)

5/ unknown people who are trying to evolve : I'm doing a lot of criticism, and people told me I'm good in it so I'm trying to help as much as I can. So when I see someone putting effort to improve himself, I watch him and try to help while seeing the evolution. (it's one of my favourite thing to see people improving ^^)

I'm still watching all that's coming to my watchlist. If I can't see it all then I redo the steps and see if I can remove watches :)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Professional
Yes, it seems pretty normal to me too. But my surrounding doesn't really get it lol. Gotta print your comment and hang it at my door or somewhere x)

Thank you for sharing your process with the watch list. It's pretty useful !

I've stopped looking at group's deviations for a while, it's pretty useful to have the ability to unwatch only a part of what deviants post by the way. And yes, most of the time, it you get something like 300 notifications a day, well there is probably a group behind that and it's pretty reasuring (for sanity sake) to be able to just hit the red cross and delete the whole folder x)

The third point doesn't seems strange to me, FB is made for that after all, add those contacts who gravitate between the "stranger" and "close friend" zones :). And now that I think of it, I was doing the same thing when I had a tumblr in fact.
But the fourth one, seems really tricky yes, because you kinda have to judge which one is the more useful/apt yourself. As people evolve it's a 50/50 game. I haven't thought of it myself but I see the idea behind it and yes, it's a good idea. It's still the kind of choice for which I'm stuck behind the screen for about 15min haha.

Oh dear I will have fun cleaning my never-cleaned-before watchlist xD
Wish me luck, and many thanks, I'll look at your process again when I delve into it :)
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome.
Yeah the fourth one is the trickiest one, and it has take me time to make the choices. I think about 15 minutes too XD Sometimes even thinking "welll.. erm... I'll do it later in fact... it's like ... I don't know.... maybe I don't have to choose in fact... urg so much difficulties !"
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I like your explanations for how you handle your social connections; I use some of them (especially following the up-and-comers!). Because there's so much to take in, and in the universe we inhabit, sadly no one has that kind of time. ^^;
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah we can't see everything, but that's not like a fatality or something :) I think this allow us to find time for what counts too. If we were immortal, we may not have the same vision of life and importance of things, I think we may not be able to find what is important to us and to prioritize. 
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Great way to put it. :star: :thumbsup:
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks ^^ 
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015  Student General Artist
I am a bit embarrassed to admit it, but there WAS a time I watched people in order for them to look through my art and, hopefully, watch me back. It's honestly something that shouldn't be done, but I think many people here go through that stage at one point or the other.

Luckily, that part of my life has come and gone, and I've realized it's better to watch people who will answer my comments (if they can), and /or inspire me. Many other times, I overlook art skills and watch someone for the person they are or if I see potential in their stuff. I feel much more fulfilled doing that sort of thing.

Now, I'm aware people with TONS of watchers can't answer to every single person, but I've seen super popular artists pay attention to their watchers and reply, regardless of pageviews. So, that's a big deal for me. Obviously, I can't help but comment on their stuff if it really inspires me, you know? Even if they don't answer back! :XD:

There have been friends who have watched me back later on or watched me from the beginning of our interractions, and the mutual support is one that I wouldn't want to trade for the world. So yeah, I do clean out my watcher list every once in a while, when I realize I have little to no interest in someone's art nor do I interact with it. It's not worth it, for me or for the artist. I mentioned in a previous comment that it's better to be supportive. What's the point of being an invisible watcher?

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule, but that's mostly for the skilled people whose art is simply breathtaking or inspiring to me. That and, I'm aware some of my friends are busy and caught up with their own things, but I know that they care about my input as much as I care about theirs :)

Sorry for all these text walls :blush: I've actually been dealing with these topics for a while now, and someone FINALLY brought them to light! :XD: Good luck cleaning out your watcher list! :hug:
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Professional
As you said yourself and as I tried to elaborate in my previous reply, I think all of us do it at a time, at least I was. We're pushed to do it, living is like a race nowadays. At a professional level even more, because money and making a living is involved.

Personaly, I felt this lack of fullfilment for a while. However, and thanks to the deep introvert I am lol, it only recently came to my mind that communicating might be THE key. So thanks for sharing your own experience about it, this pushes me to continue in that way too :)

And no, popular persons can't answer, this would be insane and they would probably end up losing their eyes in front of their screen O_O Sad death for an artist, ugh.
But I understand your envy, well "need" ;p, to comment their works, even if I would personaly not do it. I can't find the words in front of great art and comes up with something constructive enough, so I simply download the stuff xD.

Anyway, don't worry, I like to read and I'm not afraid of walls, all the contrary. It's also kind of reassuring to see that it seems to be a common problem here (for myself, and to know that there's still people out there who wants to connect x)).

Hope to see you around ;)
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015  Student General Artist
Wonderful reply :)

It does feel like a race and I think that's made me pretty miserable sometimes, because I feel pressured to constantly upload things instead of focusing on having fun with my art. It's a struggle I'm coming to terms with, because my audience will come little by little. We'd all want to wake up to see 1,000 new watchers every day, but sadly, it's too unrealistic. I may as well go with the flow than upload a bunch of bad works just to keep watchers entertained. I posted up a journal about this a while back and received very positive and encouraging feedback from my followers, so that definitely helped me calm down from that "race" feeling.

I completely understand where you're coming from, and I hope to see you around as well! :hug:
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional
I had this race feeling too at times, but not in the exact same way. I'm highly perfectionist and I do have some phases where I feel the urge to make better art but also work more efficiently (so faster, which is kind of contraditory in itself) to stays in the course.

It's stupid when you think about it, because this overreaction make you just feel pitiful in the end, but everybody have this problem at some point. And I don't even tell you how it is in art schools, where the competition is real, some people just can't pass over it; even if, strangely, now that I think about it, I didn't have this pressure in school. I think internet and the fact that you swim in this ocean of (over-)talented people emphasize that feeling.

So yes.. go with the flow and have fun with your art is the key.. but I admit it, that's not easy for everyone (did I point overthinkers such as me ? :) ), and again it needs commitment :)
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47ness Featured By Owner Edited Jun 12, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Well, that's mighty big of you to admit that. :) I feel like a lot of people will follow a Famous Artist hoping some of that person's popularity will rub off on them, but hey that's their own choice if they want to do that. I think some of the most positive examples of this are the artists who follow someone at a higher level, and gradually they themselves achieve that level through learning and hard work (which may or may not catch the eye of that Famous Artist; it's not an end goal, but it's possible)

I think all of the explanations you cite apply for me as well. At the end of the day there's just a lot of people on this site to follow. ^^;

Glad you're finding a system that works for you. :nod:
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Student General Artist
Definitely agree with everything you said, and more! :XD:

I guess the biggest issues are the continuous site changes. Whether or not they can be agreed upon, they do influence exposure and meeting new artists. Sometimes good and sometimes bad. Still, I have to make the best of what I've got. :nod:

As for watches, yeah.. there's too many people. Even if we might want to, we can't watch EVERYONE! Like I said before, I feel it best to watch people whose art can be interacted with :) Thank you for taking your time to reply :hug:
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
:meow:

Yeah, the site changes are a mixed bag; I'm not sure I like that recent one where you can track what a person +fav'd. On the one hand it does increase exposure but it can also replicate my common hangups with Facebook/Tumblr. ("I watched you to watch you, not your reblogs!!" basically) ^^;

Two of my favorite features are the Find Random and Undiscovered. :D You really never know what awesome unknown artists you'll run into...!

Interaction is definitely important! That's why OC commissions are always a big deal (the act of sharing an idea goes a long way) and the Flash game here and there get a lot of attention. Right now I just let my followers know I can be counted on to answer each and every one of their comments, but in the future I'd like to branch out and do more interactive stuff (like when I learn animation~)

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter! :la:
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015  Student General Artist
Speaking of, I absolutely LOVE doing oc stuff! I'm sorta obsessed with it, honestly ^^; I love to draw ocs of friends (and of course, my own!). It's a tough thing to manage, since people love fan art, but I find it more fulfilling than drawing that most of the time. Fan art is wonderful, but I avoid expose myself through it. I feel that doing so will only attract people from those specific fandoms as opposed to anyone who likes my character art. My fan art is just a bonus! XP

Your future plans sound super awesome! People LOVE animation and interactive art. Not just on this site, but in any! It's just so cool to see young animators do their thing :XD: I wish you the best of luck with it.

(I think the Undiscovered section is one of the best things dA has created. It's practically my hope page! I've found so many good artists through that tab.)
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Oh yeah? I'm obsessed with OC stuff too. XD; I did that giant crossover groupshot as a "Thank You" art for Christmas 2013

A NIGHT AT THE CARNELIAN'S by 47ness (and this year I'm thinking of doing another one...) :')

Videos and movement in general just does more to bring characters to life! It's a lot more work and frustration patience, but that's the price the artist pays. :nod:

( :D )
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2015  Student General Artist
Oh my goodness :faint:

You're crazy! But hey, I like that hahaha ;D I was reading through the comments and I commend your commitment! It's a wonderful drawing. Really :) Thanks for sharing that awesome drawing and yes, I look forward to seeing your animation stuffs! :dance:
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47ness Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015   Digital Artist
When I am working on something intently (like a model, or editing an audio file) I can definitely get lost in it until hours have passed. It is a good idea to have a drink to hand, otherwise I forget that too and wind up incredibly thirsty. :XD:
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015  Professional
Ha yes, I know that, really. I sometimes feel a bit bad and it takeS me like 10min to understand why, then "ah yes that's how it is to be thirsty" I'm a BOT ! :D
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015   Digital Artist
It feels really nice to get so caught up in something...

...Unless, at the end of it, you do not reach a productive outcome, which sometimes happens to me. Then I fret about having wasted an afternoon. ;)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015  Professional
Agreed ! And I think it would bother me even more with 3D :o. It's easier, I think, to reassure yourself in 2D, because there is at least those "well at least the line is better now"steps... 3D, being more technical, forgive less. At least, in my mind haha.
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015   Digital Artist
I would tend to agree. Still, I am getting better at saving multiple iterations of the same model as I work on it, in case one step winds up worse than the one before it! Only when it is finished will I have the definitive version and archive the rest.
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional
Ahhh I'm doing the same, even if there is always a moment in the process where saving stuff bores me and I'm back to the messy layers and .psd xD
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015   Digital Artist
Ah! I can imagine. You use Photoshop, then? I downloaded the trial version, but it annoys me (primarily the Mac-centric design with a lack of right-click doing what I would expect it to, and the fact that I cannot paste directly into the programme).
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2015  Professional
Yes I use Photoshop. Since I'm 13 or so in fact, so it's kinda natural for me but I can understand it's not really user friendly the first times, like every Adobe software. You can paste images in the programme with a simple drag&drop (or with Ctrl+V if it's something like a screenshot), depending on which CS you tried though... For the Mac thing I don't really feel it, but it's true that the right click is pretty useless, unless for changing size and type in brush mode.
If you took the habit with another software it can be tricky yes. I think eveybody has kind of a bond with the very first (and good) programme he's using :)
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I think that you can't waste time like this. As we say Practive makes perfect (I prefer the French version, because of a funny song which come with it "C'est en forgeant qu'on devient forgeron" (literally "It's by forging that you'll become a blacksmith")). SO you've practice, and you've not wasted your time :)
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2015   Digital Artist
You can definitely waste time by not taking the most direct route to achieving a set goal. You can also waste time if you do not save something correctly, or if you save over it with an inferior version. Digital could be a little different to traditional art in this way. ;)
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't feel like it's wasting time, it's learning more than anything else. 
For your example of failing save, it still force you to do it again and do it again is also training. It's more frustrating cause it's a mistake but I don't see mistakes as something bad, I see them like a way to improve and learn :)
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