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    I surely don't have it. But you may have a clue of where to find it, if, like me, you seek true interactions.

And by true I mean exchanges, real ones, not the "I love you - I love you too"  comments, but more the " I love you - I'm happy to hear so. Hey why not take a virtual coffee right now and discuss about art then love each other for a little more than just a bunch of pixels" kind of chat.


Snow fort by IIDanmrak

    After all, we all are on deviantArt for Art. And now, I'm persuaded it's the right place for the meaningful interactions about it.
Yet.. I'm unable to make it works most of time.
I'm here for several years now and I was scrolling the website pages even before I created my own account and started to post my work.


The Watchers by Yor-Art Attraction by Yor-Art

    Before joining dA, I was used to small forums, full of supportive members but also challenging (yet friendly) rivals. Feedbacks, critics, long chats on non-art related subjects. THAT was great interaction and emulation. Those communities were also small enough for the good exchanges to come naturally.

But forums stopped being a solution for me, either because they started to get too much members, changed with time or simply closed; but also because I grew up on my side, both personaly and as a professional artist, and needed to broaden my horizon and public.

When I discovered dA, i knew it was the solution, both to get known and to join a great community again.
Social networks are great for marketing, but none of them gives you the possibily to be directly in touch with artist and ONLY with artists. Deviantart is here for that and that's the reason why it stays one of my favorite "networks".


sp55 by Athayar

    But right now, favorite or not I can't stop getting bored as hell browsing it after several weeks, and (as you probably have noticed if you follow me) just disappear for a while, before coming back again, loving it again, and hoping again.

Hoping yes.. Each time I'm back online, I hope I'll find that key to make things work and know how to approach people the right way and push them to interact, even if after 3 months of disappearance its unlikely to happen. Because here, the community is so huge that exchanges do not come naturally, you have to make it happen ! But I do not have the good manual for that and limited time online. So I keep doing my default action : trying to upload better art and get noticed through it. Who knows...

And it's this lazy default action which is actually boring to me. Because I'm using dA the wrong way !
Making better art is obviously one of the keys to success, but it's not the key of better human interaction. You don't need to be a professional cook to talk about cooking and how to improve your skills at it.
Which seems obvious to me now, but wasn't few times ago.


Cradle of the Stars by UsamahDraws

Now what ?
    Well I'm at that point where I'd like to communicate with the rest of you in other ways that just showcasing my stuff and looking at the pageviews counter, and this journal is a first step. I stay a pretty awkward person when it comes to this social approach but I now have the desire to try and play The Game (yes, that's a geek joke for DA:I lovers), and want to test things to get in touch with my followers in an honest way. So hail to the features, polls and other ideas which will, I hope, come to my mind _o/ !
I know there is no magic potions or so for that kind of stuff but I'd interested in hearing your insights, even tips if you have.

Bullet; Black Does some of you guys feel or have already felt the same way ?
Bullet; Black Are you working on it, or does the single thought of it get you depressed ?
Bullet; Black On the contrary are you particularly satisfied of your interactions with people on dA ?
Bullet; Black Does it stays better that on any other social network you are on ?

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    Oh, and also I started featuring some great art in this journal, cause I've seen other doing it and it's a cool way to let you discover what I like, and stop the "only me me me" approach ;)

Commission: Hal and Nox by CosmicSpectrumm
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UsamahDraws Featured By Owner Edited Jul 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
OMG LIKE THANK YOU SOOWOWOWOW MACH!!! this is just so nice of you (T^T)  now im just gonna cry.....Well this is certainly a big subject, humans on the internet behave strange, they are generally impatient, and don't wish to actually increase their knowledge through learning, or speaking, or any means really. Many are here for unhealthy reasons or their pursue perversions that they wouldn't otherwise do publicly , look at "whats hot" and you'll find that this site is increasingly becoming less about the kindling the spirit of art within humans and more of an outlet for many people to develop and feast on their desires some of which are uncomfortably disturbing and safe to say perhaps a bit too far into the rabbit hole that it should NOT be on main page, but rather in a guarded place away from the innocent eyes. To protect my own dignity, i don't even look at "whats hot" or broad categories anymore, i have to go right into the specific field, out of fear of seeing that "art" designed the feed the need of those who seek it, they don't even approach the art artistically, their intention was not to think, to ponder, to change, to become inspired, no, they want nothing to do with that, and to try to gain the attention of those people to engage in a meaningful dialog is almost a lost cause....They are many now, and are growing even more. And its the opposite for the artist, the mentality of the artist wandering through the halls of art, searching for something that will change them, something deep, few here come with that intention.   Just examine the behavior of the average deviant, scrolls like no other trying to find something to droll over then just look at it....thats it.....the overwhelming mentality is not driven by artistic thoughts and the like, but rather through thoughts that are void of art...they need a visual fix and they get it and they are done, perhaps they make some shameless comments to confirm their satisfaction, but they don't want anything from you....and then there's the issue of anonymity,  many of the people here that i've  encountered have behind some kind of social facade. When humans interact, many chose to pretend, or deceive the other while they interact, this happens almost always, and with the anonymity of the internet, it presents a stranger kind of insincerity when humans interact. Its harder for humans to be genuine with each other on through all the anonymity. In short, the intentions of many (and now more) of deviant arts users are nearly void of art and probably very prurient in nature which means their interactive tendencies to seek out meaningful human interactions are generally suppressed and lead to a solitary actions while online, almost a complete lack of patience, lack of the will to seek and increase knowledge, a lack of maturity and experience in life, and probably 100 more ridiculous reasons. But there are some real genuine artists here that are wonderful humans, that really wish to meet have meaningful interaction with other humans that they will actually benefit from. It just takes a bit to find them...  I'm glad to see that you chose a more self-less way of promoting your art.....Its nice.....We need more of it.....I think i'll give it a try soon........  Please, accept my thanks for your support and kindness...
Live long and well for all that is good and true! Safety and Peace my friend!
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2015  Professional
Hey ! All my apologies for such a really really really late answer, i've had to disappear for a long time due to an awful amount of work. I feel a bit bad about only answering now because your text really deserve one :/ But its cool to come back online and read such kind of comment so thanks for sharing your thoughts, I appreciate ! It seems like you have observed the community a lot. I feel the same abt the "whats hot" section... Where more and more deviations focus on the wrong side of the word "hot" and its more and more accurate nowadays.
And I like your "void of art" expression, its sad that its what social networks are becoming. It makes me think of those new websites dedicated to art (artstation, drawcrowd,...) which don't push you to interact with others, all the contrary, even in the user interface itself it says "hey just look our grid of thousand aweeeesome art, just look" and it sad dA kind of follow such a trend at a smaller scale..
Lets hope 21st century will not broke our sense of patience even more.. i pretty pessimist on this one..

But yes, on my side, i'd like to find the balance between promotion and interaction.. the brainwash thing doesn't really attract me even if it's easy to fall into it ;)

Oh and my pleasure for the feature, i like your piece a lot :) and if only a little feature like this can bring me such awesome comment, I'm all in ! :) so thanks in return ! Cheers :D
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015  Student General Artist
I personally enjoy interacting with people on dA, ESPECIALLY my followers. They're a huge reason behind why I draw, and their support is paramount. A friend, The-Ez , couldn't have said it any better herself: it's better to have 100 friends as followers, than thousands of flukes. I try to stay close to them, and even if I have a small group of watchers for now, I want to keep that going. :)

Even if it's merely a fave, I take time to go through someone's profile and comment beyond just a "thank you for faving." Other times, I stumble upon someone who I think has great potential or has good art, and comment on it... because as you said, many artists are all about "me me me" and don't take the time to give without expecting anything in return.

Most of the interactions have been successful and interesting, and I do my best to do that "little more" with other deviants. Yeah, it can be very discouraging when you feel you're giving more than receiving, but every once in a while, I get those feelings overturned by kind gestures of people. So it does work out in the end.

So far, deviantart is a great way to interract with other artists. And it's very easy too (unless someone is ridiculously popular.. how do you get THEIR attention if you don't have amazing art?). However, I couldn't agree more with FORCING the interaction. You can't just sit here on deviantArt. You have to reach out before you get that same feedback is returned.
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Professional
My apologies for the late reply !
I was happy seeing such long comments in my inbox, yet as thinking & writing in english isn't totally natural to me yet... xD, I couldn't find the time to answer fastly and properly.  Now I got it ! :)

And thanks for your insight. You're totally right about the kind gestures overturned. It does not come each time you say something, but when it does, most of the times, it drives to meaningful exchanges. And this would not be so significant is that was regular. Your comment is a nice example.

Social networks (in general) have given such a bad idea of what success is to people(and medias have made it the number 1 achievement of all time for everyone), that less and less people want to make the effort to communicate, either on a personal or professional point. Everybody now think it's easy, or a matter of luck "post your thing here, just wait and you'll have thousand likes". So why bother and try to talk to people if a single button saves time ?
It's kind of sad to see that websites created in order to make people connect, disconnect them in reality. But, it's another a debate who might end up in a classical critique of our dear and lovely 21st century haha :)
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015  Student General Artist
I couldn't agree more! Social media websites are for interacting, but, people forget and just use it for getting, but not receiving. It's very discouraging to say the least. I honestly think those who interact with their watchers/followers have a more fruitful experience on the internet than those that don't. I know it may be hard sometimes (especially if you're popular) but everyone needs to get involved with fellow artists.

There was an animation conference in my home town, where very important producers and directors told people that they actively searched for people to hire on the internet, so the best we can do is treat our accounts as a gateway to a professional art life. Just because it's easier to get to know people through social media, doesn't mean we have to sit back and not react. Being active on the internet, if this is where you want to expose yourself, is extremely important. We live in an age where we can get hired without ever stepping foot into a company, but it's honestly NOT as easy as people think. Posting one drawing online isn't going to make you popular. Posting one drawing, but talking to others, complimenting others' works, and even advertising fellow mutuals can open up a quicker and better path to success.

Don't worry too much about the language barrier :hug: I'm happy you replied :)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional
Well, what could I add more ? :D
I'm totally in the same mindset. Let's get involveddddd !!

Images by LauraBevon  

Btw, animation conference, animation influences,... are you trying to make your way in that field ? :D
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2015  Student General Artist
Hahaha, that image! XD

I do want to go into that field... but probably not as an artist. I want to get a major in advertising and a minor in studio art. That way, I have the best of both worlds. That, ,or get two degrees: advertising and experimental animation. The thing is, I love 2D animation, so unless I want to work for a TV network, my animation skills wouldn't really fit into the 3D world. I don't even know if my college HAS 2D animation classes I can take :(

But I definitely want to be a part of that world. :iconarielplz:
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Professional
I understand, with the actual industry it seems like 2D is a desperate path. But really it's untrue. Well it might.. in the US, but if you are open to relocation and if you get the chance to learn about it, know that the European market is absolutely fond of 2D anim :)

But your idea is pretty good too, especially if you like the social part of your working life or just like the change :)
US school system is hella hard to understand for me, I think I will never get it XD. Is it possible to get two degrees at the same time ? Or do you have to study some years for one, then start again for the second ? :0
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Student General Artist
Okay.. so let's see if I can break it down for you.

There's "major," "minor," and "double major" as possible degree options. Let's keep it simple :XD:

Major - that ONE subject you're becoming a professional at!

Minor - another subject that you CAN take, but it is often not required. You can say this degree is a.. smaller degree that goes with your major. You usually graduate with your major, with a "minor" in something else.

Double major - when you're tackling two subjects at once and you're planning to graduate as a professional in BOTH subjects (this is really really tough to do, but some people somehow manage to do it...)

So yes, you CAN get two degrees at the same time, just prepare for a LOT of hard work and a lot of tough classes all at one! But you can also get the minor, which again, is just a mini-degree that adds on to your professional degree. I hope that makes sense... at least, enough for you to understand :XD: And of course, you can also study one and then go back to college. You can get as many degrees as you'd like! I'm pretty sure you know that's easier said than done, you know? Especially with a job, money, a possible family... you know the deal XD

As for the relocation, I honestly wouldn't mind.. at ALL! A lot of 2D is basically going towards TV shows as opposed to movies. Again, it's sad :( I tried getting into 3D animation, but it didn't really work out for me :/ Either ways, I'd love to move around and meet new people and go new places. I wouldn't mind going where the wind takes me :)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2015  Professional
Thanks a lot for your explanations, it's precious ! Hug
I think we just call the minor a specialisation here but it's always a part of the major. Like if you make psychology you can then choose social psychology, school psychology, addictions,..
Can you choose a subject totally different for the minor  on your side? Like, i don't know, a major in Physics and a minor in Gardening ? x)

I remember some years ago, I was looking for artschools in the US and was struggling a lot to understand what was required and the equivalences with our school levels. It's absolutely hard to understand what the graduated/undergraduated stuff are compared to the french diploma, and internet stays pretty unclear on that matter. People don't know either lol.

And for you, again, check the european schools and market if you're not afraid of relocation. Just in France there is many smaller (compared to the big Disney etc..) or independant societies making 2D movies. Our country is REALLY fond of it. There is also this well known school : www.gobelins.fr/en/fi/animatio… (the level is really high and there are few places, most of the time you do another school before this one). My school also had a solid 2d anim course, etc.. one of my schoolmate has even relocated and worked on this movie : www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgbXWt…. It's Irish, so they've got things too. And England has some nice studios as well if my memory is good.
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I think that there's a lot of way to interact with people here.
I've found nice people who I can talk to by simply join some groups about some of my hobbies and also trying to answer to a lot of journals.

I have another technique which is to follow groups and see which art piece doesn't have a lot of comments, then I go throught the people galery and try to find a way to approach them throught their art (cause they don't have much interaction either so they'll be quickier to answer :D)

There's also a lot of people I see that find friends with RP community but you must like to write and tell story.

Which pointed me to the last point I saw in action : the stories. If you tell stories to people they will want to follow them, and they will, little by little, come to love your characters and will want to know more about them so they will interact with you :)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2015  Professional
Thanks a lot for your insights :)
Groups and journals are a good idea. I'm sometimes so much in my "art, art, art !" mindset that I forget about journals, really. My watch list is so full of deviations I try look at, that most of the time I don't have time to check journalls and simply delete them.  Yet, now you say it, it seems rather logical that it's the best way to talk about people who wants to talk x)

And for the groups, honestly, despite posting my own pictures here and there I've never really used them. I always feels a bit lost when it comes to group. It's like websites inside a website, I'm like woowoowoh too many stuffs here ! xD I'll look into it too, even if I think that might not be my solution cause I don't have an hardcore passion for something in particular (despite digital art in general).
What kind of groups are you following ? :)

Total agree for the stories point ! It pretty the same with your art style I think, the more people can delve into it or identify to it, the better it is. I'm myself trying to work on a more cohesive universe (with characters maybe)/style, even if it's stays hard when you have customer from dirrefent horizons x).
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah journals are really good. I think you can see it by this journal you wrote :) 

I'm following group based on what I like : final fantasy, a french drawing forum I like, some software (Blender for example) or style of art (an animation group for me I love to see drawings come to life by animation :heart: )
And also groups for meeting people in real life (even if I couldn't take part of meetings for a long long time now that I don't go to Paris a lot)
And groups of French people cause French community or other specific country groups can be found easily :)
And groups for challenging myself (like the 100 words challenge...)

I know what you mean by different horizons viewers. You can't make everyone happy, and some will maybe say "it was better before" but the most important thing for me is to be pleased when I draw and to show how happy I can be when doing it by sharing my art. I feel like art is duality : you do it for yourself but you wanna share it.

By the way, if you ever wonder, I've noticed you are French but as you wrote the journal in English I've done the same ;)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2015  Professional
Well, enchantée ! :D
And thanks for taking the time to answer in english. I like to do it too, so random people can react too if they want :)

I've been a member of Allfanarts too, for long, and by the way, one of the creator of the group on dA. But you're in charge now, isn't ? :D
We weren't keeping it active because of a lack of time and, for my part because I'm not on the forum anymore. But, as I wrote on the journal, the interaction here was great :)

It's true for the duality, even more at a professional level, because some of your actions are marketing-oriented. I felt sometimes like doing unauthentic things because of the need to eat and get known. Yet, it's not really the right path, so I'm trying to change this a bit, piece per piece, and just do stuff I like :)
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Pareillement ;)
You're welcome, it's also to keep my level in English by practicing every day :)

Huhuhu I didn't know you were one of the creator. In fact I'm in charge by default, as often cause I like to help ^^ One of the member wanted to take back the group but wanted help, as no one seem to answer I went with her thinking I will do just a little part of the work but as time gone by, she just disappear and now, I'm the only one to work on it :) (and she came back a few months ago but it desn't seem like she wanna do it anymore and I don't want to push her cause I don't know why she was away :)

I have thought a lot about that cause I wanted to try more professional tasks for drawings or writings but I was pretty sure I will regret it XD So for the time being I postpone it :)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015  Professional
It's a nice thing, at least it's lively again :)
The problem with this group is that its force (being a small yet welded community) is also its weakness, there's no new wind and you're kinda stuck in this AF bubble here on dA. So why not stay on the forum ? We were searching for a solution to link the AF group to the french dA community, and open it (to get new people on AF, and to create a new side-site, not a copy/paste one), but without being invaded too much as the forum admins wanted.
Yet I personaly didn't found a solution to this very problem, and it became like... working for nothing. I don't know if you guys have worked trough it, but it would be nice.

Well yes, when passion became a profession you loose a bit of the magic. You just have to find it elsewhere I think. But nowadays there's tons of solutions between hobbyists and professionals, thanks to the crowfunding and other stuff like that. I you want to make a small living of it, it might be your solution :)
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, lively is important! At the beginning the people won't send their artwork to the group even if they've submitted them to DA. So I had to go to their galery and submit them for them and now they do that by themselves! 
For the opening, I tried with a contest but there was just one entry so I was a little disappointed :) I also did an interview, but that was more for insiders.
I try to talk about the group at least there's new watchers so that's a cool thing :) (but I don't see them on the forum so... erm half-victory ? XD

Yeah, I know what you mean. But I just resigned my job (not as an illustrator) because I couldn't find magic in it anymore XD I will begin studying again in 2016 if it works as I want :)
And for the crowfundind, I will see. I like the concept and I give for independant each time I can. But for the moment I don't put much value in money cause I don't like the concept of money and I don't lack of it (as I worked for a long time without a lot of expenses, I think I've saved up enough to be able to go back studying and to do little projects). So I don't like asking for money of other as I see a lot of people that need help funding and I think they should be helped instead of me :)
But that will change if I eventually don't have enough to do my project, maybe if I have problems with my studies or to find a job after that ^^ I'm still confident with what I've chosen to do. I don't want to stay in place just because I fear moving forward. It's a stressful experience to bgein a new kind of life, there's a lot of question, but it's important to believe in it and give all you've got if you think it can bring yourself and other more happiness ^^
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional
It's a good thing to quit if you don't feel at ease anymore. It's also pretty brave at those times but you seem to be pretty confident, as you said yourself, isn't it the most important ? :) It's sometimes hard to make people around you understand the reasons of your choices, but after all, it's all about you !

What kind of studies will you follow now ?
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Getsuart Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015   Digital Artist
Great images, i'll check the rest of the artists' gallery ! :D

I feel the same.
Right now i'm giving more time to another website, for webcomics, because the interaction between people is like 10000% much more intense and regular. the big bonus are also the forums, where the users are nice and are glad to welcome new people and REALLY talk to them, not jsut" yeah, you comic's nice, bye now".

That's also why I left DA a little bit : I'm still attached to this website, but I believe I can't have interactions with people that easely. But I won't lie : I met some great persons there, on DA. And still using it for commissions.
For the social network huh... good question... I guess it's okay... ?
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Edited Jun 7, 2015  Professional
Yip ! You're right to do it with your project.
But in the same time, don't you think it's the comics itself which make the interaction easier, rather than the website (I've never delved into it, except when I look at Echo's pages, so you tell me) ? I mean it's not only characters depicted randomly on a page, it's about a story, with cliffhangers and all (exactly the kind of stuff which make people talk).

To me, dA is clearly not a good place for comics, at least independant ones (aka not Marverl&co stuffs). There's to many people, not many times to check everything, and the layout of the site itself isn't really comics friendly.
Surely it works better on your website/forums as the number of members is certainly low compared to dA, like Allfanart for example ? Or do you think random users are clearly being friendlier there ?

I miss that feeling yea, and start to think we need to force this interaction here, due to the huge community. Polls, features, reviews event etc..

Anyway, you probably found the right plateform for you :) ! And I can't encourage you more to focus on it rather than dA.
It's what I meant when I wrote about dA begin a place about art for artist (So better for us, compared to others networks). You just reduced your target public even more, which is a great thing. And dA still can be useful for Echo's illustrations/goodies which will catch lazy readers attention.

Thanks a lot for your insights :)
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Getsuart Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015   Digital Artist
I think both attract people. Also, I began when the website was large, but not big like now : it helped me a little bit !

totally agree there ! DA is not a good place for comics.
I tried to post pages on DA, but man, it's hard to get noticed here, much more than with illustrations : the reading is a way much harder, DA is not meant to read a comic, but to look at illustrations. And I must say that I'm quite satisfied when I post illustrations, they do the job greatly.
Well, i didn't see big fights on Tapastic (the other website I go on now), people are much cooler and calm. A lot of enthusiasm. It's between AllFanarts and DA : friendly like AllFanarts, becoming big like DA (well, they aren't really big for now, but it becomes bigger and bigger!).

Yep, the interaction feels forced. I don't know. Maybe because we know there is a lot of people, and not everyone can answer to every comments they got... ?
It's a little bit hard to say.

Well, DA is still a good platform for illustrations. When I have to show something finished, I go there. Because I still have friends here, after all ! but, like I said... can't have easy interactions with people. It's sad. :(

You're welcome ! I got the same questions those days, so I'm glad to see that you wonder about it too !
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional
Well, with all the answers I got from people feeling the same way I just notice it's a general mood here x)
Sad and reassuring at the same time.

I didn't mean forced in a bad way tho. I think we need to force things. Internet got us thinking that communication is easy when.. no it's not. It take time and energy. Approaching people might be easier because of the screen barrier but, despite that first step, it's not easier than meeting someone at a festival for example.

Also I just understood you were on Tapastic, did you change ? I mean... weren't you on smaackjeeves before that ?
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Getsuart Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2015   Digital Artist
Smackjeeves dies slowly but surely. tapastic is a new and fresh community, friendly and attractive. you can get a way more easily spotted in there (at least, to me). Smackjeeves is... old in every ways. :(
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2015  Professional
Haha ! yes, old is the word, especially the user interface (like... ugh). Glad you found a better website for your baby Echo :)
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Getsuart Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2015   Digital Artist
Yeah...
Thanks, I jsut hope it will still be a good one is some months, if they don't change anything wrong :p
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RetSamys Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes! I am working on it bit by bit. I am pretty OK with the kind of interaction I have here right now, but I know it could be much better.
The only time it works on other social networks is if I know them in real life. So, yeah, dA all the way!

Also, my first social network was YouTube. dA is like the best parts of YouTube, just for art and better. I still use YouTube a lot as a consumer.
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2015  Professional
Thanks for your insights, about Youtube especially. I know nothing about it and I've never thought of using it like any other networks without having a link to videos-makings and such things :) It's a simple jukebox for me ^^

Also I checked the group you sent to arkeoklept and it's nice, it's totally the kind of interaction/call to exchange I was writing about. Yet, it bothers me, because it's a group. I fear here something unauthentic. Not from the group owners themself but from the users. I'm sure a part of them just throw their work with the hope we talk about them (not TO them but ABOUT).

There's totally nothing wrong about wanting people to talk about you, I'm a professional, I surely want it too to gain my life but to me, on dA, both have to go together to be meaningful : the more you get known, the more you get influence to interact and push people to interact together ; and you get known here by true interaction. It's like, the both side of the same coin.
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RetSamys Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I get that about YouTube. I'm nothing more than a consumer myself, even though I have enough technical knowledge to do it.

Indeed, there is some inauthenticity in that group. There is a reward system that favours those who want to be featured.
Thankfully, there are a lot of different ways the Group works. I use the Group as a tool to be alerted of people needing specific comments and I do not feel like having to get more known. I just want the interaction and get used to a certain way of thinking, and then, maybe, strengthen my position in the community, if that comes along with it. It's a nice way to force myself to write comments.
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2015  Professional
Yes it's a good idea to use it in that way :)
And it's the same for me, it does not always come naturally to write an elaborated comment, and you do have to force yourself a bit (moreover because I'm not a native english speaker, so it takes times, but as a german, you probably have the same problem), but it's for a good purpose, especiallly when you end up having nice exchange with someone, kind of precious in those times when the "like" button is the easiest way to communicate. :)
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Chitsuu Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Très honnêtement, j'avoue que ça manque... Je veux dire, c'est bien sympa que les gens aiment assez ce que tu fais pur le mettre en favori, mais pourquoi ils l'ont aimé ? J'ai atteint le point où je me fiche des favoris, j'ai juste envie qu'on laisse des commentaires ><

Du coup, dans cette optique, quand j'ajoute une oeuvre à mes favoris, j'essaye de faire de mon mieux pour laisser un commentaire un tant soit peu construit.
Ce qui ne mènera sûrement à rien après, mais au moins j'essaye.
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MamsuH Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Chitsuu bah en faite , je pense que certains , malgré l'ouverture ont peur d'etre pris pour des debutants des bleu quoi -_-
bon pour certains comme moi c'est plus le faite du manque de travail mais il est vrai qu'une "communautée" active peu booster la perfomance mais aussi l'interaction réelle , ca te motive pour tout en faite ^^
LauraBevon whatever you have in mind , i'm in ^^
hope to see more of those idea coming , defenetly be back ^^
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Chitsuu Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
C'est en effet une des raisons pour laquelle j'ai toujours un peu peur de faire des critiques.
Parce que globalement, j'ai absolument pas le même niveau que certains artistes et du coup quand je vois une erreur, j'ai peur que ça fasse "présomptueux" de le dire... Alors que non en fait ! Il faut se lancer, le dire gentiment et pas non plus descendre l'oeuvre, et tout se passe bien :D
Et c'est sur quoi je travaille dans mes commentaires x)
Je suis sur d'autres plateformes dont un forum qui réagit plus à ce que je fais, du coup comme tu dis, cette interaction réelle me motive plus que si je me basais uniquement sur ce que je reçois comme retours ici.

(mais après il y a pas de secret, pour avoir des retours il faut être un peu connu, et pour ça il faut produire xD)
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2015  Professional
I answer you in english Chitsuu, so the non-french can take part if they want :)

I totally understand your feelings about the fear of commenting on the work of someone who have a better level, I had it too. But seriously don't.
First because this fear of hierarchy is, to me, just another one of this french conventional bullshit... presomptuous as you said, totally Louis XIV-like lol.
But mostly because your advice is as much important as anyone else. And the level of the person commenting is in fact interesting and important, but not in a bad way like you think.

Just an example : when I'm seeking for feedback around me, I like to get it from different people, and oftenly I'm asking to a professionnal-same level person AND to someone who know few or even nothing at all about art.
Because the more skilled you become the more detail-oriented you started to be, and you can sometimes just forget the big picture. So this high-level person concentrate on that small strange texture on the skin here, and the one here, and this one there. While the non-artist person will simply tell you "well he's got a strange arm, i dunno why but that's strangely strange". Well yes, the arm is far too long, so thanks :) And THAT happens so often. You'll always see something that another one might have missed.

And for the getting known stuff, as I said earlier, I'm not sure creating is the key. I know you're not really confident about your drawings and all. But you know the basis, your draw frequently, you have a rich universe and characters evolving in it. It's already awesome ! I might have skills, but currently I don't have that. I would love too.
The way dA is working, you have enough to get known, there's just this socialisation/influence stuff.. that's not related to art skills, not only.

MamsuH What you said to Chitsuu is totally right. Emulation is a great thing !
My ideas for now stays pretty basics (I dt really think there is something to do here which haven't been done before) , but I'd like to make reviews or detailed critics for a watcher who ask for it for example, every month or so. Stuffs like that, I need to think about it and I might create polls to ask for your advice. Anyway if you got ideas I'm open to everything.

Thanks to both of you ! :)
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Chitsuu Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh my, thanks for your kind words ><
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2015  Professional
Go comment héhé :D
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015   Digital Artist
I think a lot of people have this problem, judging by conversations I have had on the subject for the year or so I have been here. You can see it on even very popular work: people will favourite, but they often do not comment (or they just say something that does not invite discussion, like 'NICE').

Because I want more meaningful interactions, I comment more than I favourite. I will mostly only favourite something if I definitely want to look at it again, over and over, as inspiration. Comments, I will leave a lot more freely (though I will not comment if I see that the artist never replies, because I see no point in that). I also try my best to make it an interesting comment, if at all possible, that asks a question or invites discourse.

Personally, I like both favourites and comments. Favourites are a general measure of how well the community at large has received a particular picture, whereas comments are an opportunity to find out what people thought of it, and why they liked it, what it made them feel etc.

I have been fortunate to gather a few friends who comment often on pictures, which is very kind of them. I try to do the same for others whose work I admire and whose personalities I like (you, for example). I generally get more comments than favourites on my work! As I am not doing this professionally, and am still very much learning after just a year and a half of creating 3D art, I do not mind that.

As for a comparison with other sites... I am not a big fan of social media, because it always seems so impersonal. Someone standing up and shouting 'I HAD CORNFLAKES FOR BREAKFAST' and someone else shouting 'I JUST FINISHED READING THE LATEST RICHARD MORGAN BOOK'. Sites like FB and Twitter, to me, do not really encourage conversation. There are not even threads on FB! I hate that I cannot respond just to one person, but have to respond to the last person who said something, which means I do not really use FB at all.

dA is more focused, in that you are offering people something to look at and inviting conversation about it. My favourite part of the site is seeing a wonderful piece and being able to chat with the artist/photographer about it, as if I am standing next to them in their gallery. That is something really special that only dA (to my limited knowledge) offers.

Just some (longwinded) thoughts! I will be interested to see what other people say.
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2015  Professional
Yes it's a common problem everywhere, really.

I totally agree with your way of using comments & favourites, I'm doing the same. Favourites are mostly useful for me, I'm using them when I need to remember the picture for something (references,...), if I really like the work, I save it on my computer.

Until today I weren't commenting a lot with my way of being online/off/online/..., yet, for approx 3 days now I tried to use the random deviation tool from dA and commented most of the stuff I saw (when there was something to say). A great test honestly, both because you discover unrecognized works but also because people were just totally happy to read some real feedbacks, thanked me a lot like this simple thing beacme overly rare and precious, and so on. So I will continue that for now, it's pretty cool, it's actually great to feel helpful and engage conversation with people here and there, even if that doesn't go further than that ! Wannnna be a Review-Santa for a while :D

And for FB, it actually becomes interesting when you create a separate page for your works (and on those pages people can answer only to one person now :)), but I totally understand your point of view, as an hobbyist I wouldn't use it either. Because yes, I'm not screaming how much I HATE BANANAS either on my mostly-dead personal account.
Yet on a marketing point of view, FB Pages stays number 1 nowadays, both because of the huge number of members and for the easy use (it takes me like 3 times more time to put something on dA), so it's basically a need when you are professional now !

Thank you for sharing your experience, as always :) !
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015   Digital Artist
I also love commenting on random people's work. It is a great way to make new friends, and even if it is only a brief interaction, it is still nice to reach out to other people in the community.

I can see your point about FB being good for a professional. It is a good place to share all your stuff and get it seen by a lot of people, who can easily friend you and integrate you into a system they are already using. As you say, for a hobbyist, it is not necessarily such a useful platform (unless you already use it, of course, in which case it makes sense to add your art).
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LauraBevon Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2015  Professional
Yes the public is different on every networks. I try to stick to dA/FB, and a bit of twitter. dA is good for Artists, FB for mass public and twitter to reach societies directly (even if I think you have to be kind of an hardcore user for it, which I'm not xD).
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RetSamys Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed. I even prefer a short, one word comment, over a Favourite. So I comment a lot. I even joined :iconprojectcomment: for times when I don't comment on my own.

Favourites are a bit special. I am still used to YouTube's Favourites, which was limited to 200 videos. So Faves are something special to me, unless, they are a collection, which would come closer to a playlist on YouTube.

Still, Faves are better than nothing. I should turn that around. Faves are better than nothing, but comments are way better.

My dA friends are pure awesome and they are a major reason why I kept doing art.

Other social networks work for me for a very different reason. Facebook is where I can contact real-life people. YouTube is where I consume (CONSUME! CONSUME!!!) videos. Why did YouTube ever get rid of threading (I know they re-introduced it, but it's Google+ now)?
Oh, by the way, what is the last Rachel Morgan book? I think I last read part 10.

Oh, chatting with the artist is the best! When do you ever get to do that in real life?
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Euskelo Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015   Digital Artist
Richard Morgan is one of my favourite authors. He has mostly written sci fi/thriller stuff with a recent foray into fantasy. His work is very gritty, but if you like that sort of thing then I would recommend him. :)
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RetSamys Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, OK, sorry, I confused it with something else. But I'll check him out.
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