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Cori E. R. Trout
Artist | Hobbyist | Traditional Art
United States
Technically I'm between a Hobbyist and a Professional Artist...

BFA in Art Education from ASU, AAS in Equine Science, ARIA-Certified Riding Instructor

Current Residence: Queen Creek, AZ
Personal Quote: "Never be afraid to make bad art."
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Short version: Child #3 arrived in January.  Back to work three weeks later.  I have also been involved with both state and national horse organizations, organizing real-life horse events, and my business is only getting busier despite the temps climbing into the triple digits (summer is NOT prime riding time in the Sonoran Desert!).

I hope all is well with you and I hope that I might get into a semi-regular habit of posting things again as I have had a few art projects come my way, just not the time to process them for web presentation. 

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swashbuckler Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Remember back in June, I commented on your Yellowstone river waterfall photo?  (It is GREAT BTW)  I took my wife to see Yellowstone in September.  I finally posted "the keepers" from that trip.  I hope you'll come by to see - I'm pretty proud of the collection!!!
Have a great DAy!!! Rob the Swash
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lantairvlea Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for the heads up! I haven't had the time to go through all of them, but I finally poked at some. You have some good stuff in there! It is an awesome trip isn't it?
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MiscNapier Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
Found an interesting trainer, thoughts? (fraid' your the person I pester for interesting horse conversation now, haha) www.youtube.com/channel/UCk_vj…

My gut reaction is that I really like his work- it's quite out there but I might have to try out a few of his methods (hopefully I don't end making too much of a fool out of myself!). :lmao:
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lantairvlea Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I had the time to poke at some of the short ones and I heard some good, solid things that I have heard before from other masters, like the 20 minute rule (can't remember if it was Kottas or DeKunffy, or someone else, but one of the same caliber if not them). It also sounds like he does some of the positive reinforcement (clicker training type stuff). When I have the time I'll poke around it some more and give you a more thorough assessment, but the brief impression is good! I'd like to see him working with a horse, which I haven't yet as the clips I looked at were him talking mostly.

Nothing to fear at all, I enjoy the conversation!
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MiscNapier Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014
I too liked the 20 minute rule- I hadn't heard of it before. The impression I got from my old mentor is that each new skill would take a couple of hours at least (interestingly enough I always had success with Sawyer learning new things in around 15 minutes... looking back on it, I think my mentor was 'picking fights' rather than trying to teach his horses). He'd have us repeat the exercise (during our first lesson with it) until the horse did it correctly 3 to 5 times in a row- except in rare cases where he said the horse 'zoned out' and it took an hour or two just to get one good one. When I first started training Sawyer on my own I quickly found out I was much better stopping as soon as he licked and chewed even if the movement wasn't perfect. He would usually come out the next time I worked him with the exercise much improved, latent learning and whatnot.
I've heard of DeKunffy before, but not Kottas- more books to add to my wishlist. :giggle:

Some of his ideas seem questionable to me, his riding style for one (pinching with the knees and letting the lower swing), though he seems light and easy on his horses when riding. In one of his lunging videos he had a young mare on longlines bucking, seemed like that could go bad very quickly, but he was able to handle the situation calmly. 
I really like his use of the neckstrap/cordeo, and his approach to jumping. 

Haha, good to know! :la:
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lantairvlea Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
When it is a new skill stopping after the try is important as then the horse has the desire to try harder because he gets a reward for doing that thing.  Endless drilling and insisting on perfection when the horse is just learning something or, worse, doesn't have the physical capacity, whether it be strength or coordination, is asking for a fight and failure.  Horses have a really good memory, though at the same time they are pretty mailable.

Charles DeKunffy and Arthur Kottas, Kottas was a chief rider at the Spanish Riding School and I believe DeKunffy is also from the Spanish Riding School.  Other good authors/riders include: Paul Belasik, Gerd Heuschmann, Gerhard Kapitzke, Jane Savoie, Sally Swift, and I could go on and on.  I have videos from Dr. Reiner Klimke (fabulous, but you have to be AWAKE because he has a magical sleepy voice), Kottas, and Walter Zettl.  One on ground work from another former Spanish Riding School rider is Alfons Dietz (it also has AWESOME photographs), which goes from simple lungeing to Levade.  I could make your wish list a mile long *grin.*

The lower leg swinging drives me batty.  To me the lower leg should not change when you go from sitting to posting to two point or whatever else you are doing as that is your basis of support for everything else, especially when the seat is removed.  He also tends to lock up his hips in the canter and does this pseudo canter "posting."  Yes the "rising" or "posting" canter can be a useful way to build strength and stability in the lower leg, but it is an exercise for the rider and doesn't really benefit the horse, especially if you are doing it every, single, stride.

I did have a really good instructor that used bracing through the thighs/seat as a stopping aide.  I found him while trying out a horse and holy crap did I feel like I couldn't ride as the gelding kept stopping at the slightest tension in my thighs (he didn't have the best trot to sit, which didn't help).

He is very wordy, which I fear can come off as just "noise" to the horse, especially when repeating it over and over again as the horse is actively doing what he is asking.  He may not physically chase the horse as he chastises some about, but he does it verbally, which can be just as annoying and lead to less precise responses.

The "Horse Psychology" video I had to laugh when he jumped the horse and it took off with him.  i saw it coming as soon as the horse locked on to the jump.  I didn't him appreciate continuing to tell the horse he was "bad" as he was returning to the ring as it was obviously causing tension and is why the horse was continuing to jig instead of walk (in my opinion).

I definitely think there are some good things there, but his thoughts that bits are only for pain and spurs are only for pain and yet he advocates the use of two whips reads a little weird.

His ideas about horses being telepathic reminds me of Henry Blake's "Talking With Horses" (ha!  another book for you!), though I am on the fence about that one.  I think they are HIGHLY perceptive and it has been proven as we think about doing something our body automatically gets ready for the task at hand and I think the horse feels that, even if we haven't consciously executed an "active" cue yet.  Yes some people ride by "thinking" rather than doing things that are obviously physical, but there are still physical changes going on as the mind goes through what it wants to do, which is why I don't punish a horse for doing something as I think about executing the aid.

... Don't mind the novel-like comment.
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Tattered-Dreams Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for the fave :)
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lantairvlea Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're welcome! When I have the time I'm going to go more thoroughly through the tack tutorial. Kudos for putting it together.
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Tattered-Dreams Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, take your time :) And no problem; it was fun to do and I'm glad its helped people ^^
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lantairvlea Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've done some harness tutorials and I appreciate the work even though I used photos rather than drawing them so extra bonus points for illustrating the whole thing!
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