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I really don't comprehend all this fan rage against Kaname. I think he's the most selfless character in the entire series. While every other person has their own selfish reasons for undertaking any course or action, Kaname is the only one who isn't concerned about his own well being. Even Isaya, who's going to turn Yuuki back into a human is doing it mainly because it will put an end to his meaningless existence. While Kaname is sacrificing his life ENTIRELY for the safety of the human race. Time and again, he's marked himself out as the bad guy to protect others, pushing away his closest allies so he alone would bear the stigma of walking the dark and dangerous path. And someone had mentioned that how dare he try to protect Yuuki. Seriously? What's wrong with ensuring that the person you love the most stays safe and secure even when you're gone.

As far as I'm concerned, Kaname also deserves a place under the sun.

Vampire Knight (C) Hino Matsuri
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Jaxx101 Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree with you. I actually really liked the way it ended, I mean I was crushed and crying but I thought it was a very poetic ending for the selfless love between them. 
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hakuryushuncho Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014
It's pretty.  I also am a Kaname fan but I wouldn't be able to tolerate it if I were in Yuuki's position.  I wouldn't want a man that would not let me stay by his side and help him.  The point of having a relationship with the one you love is to share the burden of everything with that person.  Not to hide it for yourself, even if it is a selfless act.  In the end, Kaname did finally get the sunlight he secretly craved and deserved through his whole life.  He must have envied humans in some way since he always stayed by a person filled with sunlight.  ^/_^
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I totally get that! Yuuki's frustration at not being able to persuade Kaname and her own inability to do something. But it basically comes down to sacrifice. They both had to do their thing for what they believed was right. Kaname makes the ultimate sacrifice, leaving love and life behind for the greater good. Yuuki does the same for Kaname's sake. I really admire the last lines of the final chapter, seeing the beauty of the world through the eyes of a mortal human... Bear Emoji-08 (Rolling Love) [V1] 
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hakuryushuncho Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
I loved chapter 93.5....Kaname looks so truly and extremely happy in the last page! It made me happy and gave me some closure in the series.  It was also cool thathe smiled in his ice coffin when Yuki was smiling and presenting their newborn baby.  ^/_^
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Toboe-chan92 Featured By Owner May 2, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
what chapter is this from?
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner May 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's from Chapter 91.
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Toboe-chan92 Featured By Owner May 2, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
never mind, sorry D:
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LonaXxX Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013
totally agree with you i love kaname and yuki together. Kaname has done so much just for yuki
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CharismaBlack Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013
I-I love you. :l <3
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Tish-Marie Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I agree, the constant bashing and ranting is pointless, I'd hate to be the author, I think it would break her heart if she saw her characters being trashed like this.

Zero and Kaname are awesome and they deserve some respect.
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly, it only goes on to show the ranter's own narrow-mindedness and immaturity.
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Tish-Marie Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yes and it sucks for us people who just want to enjoy the story. :(
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I have never liked Kaname at all, but I can understand what you're saying. In this latest chapter, I finally decided that he isn't all bad. I know why I didn't like him now though. He's lost the will to live since even before the story began. Because of this, he causes the people around him, who care about him, to suffer. I don't like people who feel they have nothing left to live for, it make them seem selfish and cruel. Because this is how I felt his character was like, I never was able to like him. This latest chapter finally made it seem like he cared about something and was willing to sacrifice himself so that he could protect it. I still may not like him all that much, but at least I was able to start to understand him better.

On the matter of Zeki and Yume fans: Both sides tend to get out of control depending on the scene, it's not just the Zeki's that get offensive. I have heard of a several instances where Yume fans lost their heads as well, so both sides share blame. I do believe that bashing, no matter who you support, is wrong. I will admit that I'm a Zeki fan, but I'm well aware of the Yume fans out here. Because of that, I like to keep my feelings to myself. During that major scene in chapter 89, I was even trying to help soothe the rage that Zeki fans felt over what happened. I didn't like it, but I didn't lose my head over it. I simply viewed the chapter objectively until I came up with scenarios that would ease my mind. As it turns out, the things I came up with were pretty accurate with what happened in the chapters that followed. For both sides sakes, I believe that Yuuki should not end up with neither Zero nor Kaname. The backlash from the opposing side could be devastating to the fanbase.
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Tish-Marie Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
"I don't like people who feel they have nothing left to live for, it make them seem selfish and cruel."

Wasn't Zero the same way at the beginning, he felt as though he had nothing to live for, in fact he attempted suicide till yuki stopped him.
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Because I knew why Zero felt that way, it didn't bother me as much. I didn't really care for his attitude in the beginning because of that though. But unlike Kaname, he did reluctantly accept help, even if only from Yuuki. At least Zero had tried to overcome his pain and move forward. Kaname only ever pushed everyone who cared about him away and refused to let them in. He caused his own suffering, and that's why I have little sympathy for him. He only recently began trying to atone for the things that he's done. That's why, right now, I'm willing to give his character a chance.
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Tish-Marie Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Zero is still like that though, and how is his past more understandable then kaname's, when kaname went through some hardships of his own, the people he tried to help betrayed him, the woman he loved died, not to mention the fact that he's sacrificing himself now. The man has lived for a very long time and has been through some very dark ages, to say you have no sympathy for him, that he caused his own suffering is a little harsh. Yuki's idea of helping Kaname is to sacrifice herself to turn him human, why would he let the woman he loves die for him??

To me Kaname and Zero are amazing, I love them both very much, I support them both 100%, people rant about them and I can't understand why, since both characters have a lot in common.
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I actually meant that it was how people felt about him in the beginning. You didn't know any of that until much later, and for most people, the damage had already been done by the time his past was finally explained. In truth, I feel that most of the pain he suffered during the story was his own doing. He didn't have to do everything alone. He didn't have to hurt the people he cared about. And he didn't have to manipulate people into doing what he wanted. He could have accepted his friends help whenever they offered it. He could have let people in. He chose to do everything on his own, and for that, I have no sympathy. I now understand his story and why he does the things he does, but it doesn't change the fact that his suffering during the story could've been avoided altogether. It may sound harsh, but that's truly how I feel.

What I meant about Zero's story being more understandable than Kaname's, is the fact that you knew Zero's story from the beginning. Kaname's story wasn't revealed until much later so people weren't able to understand him in the beginning. He was cruel and unforgiving and people didn't know why he was like that. In the beginning, people thought that that was who he was and he was labeled as the bad guy. Not everyone felt this way, but a lot of people did. In truth, I was one of those people. The Kaname in the last few chapters was far more appealing than he was in the beginning. It's because this is the real him, this is the Kaname everyone can understand. I feel sympathy for what happened to him long ago. He was betrayed and he did lose the person he most cared about, but this is all something that no one knew until much later. If I'd known sooner, then I might not have been so harsh towards him. I might of even liked his character more.

Yuuki wants to help everyone, not just Kaname. It's who she is. She thinks that by turning Kaname into a human, it'll make everything alright again. That's why she took away Zero's memories as well. She thought that it would ease his suffering. She does a lot of stupid things, but her heart is in the right place. All she wants, is for everyone to be happy.

I'm sorry if I had offended you before. I was just trying to help you to understand other people's feelings since you had said that you didn't understand. I'm terrible at explaining things, which is why I have to correct myself a lot. I hope I worded things better this time. I was just trying to help.
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Tish-Marie Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Kaname has a dark side to him yes, It's one of the things I like about him, but Zero is the same, he use to be pretty mean to a lot of the girls in the beginning, and he pushed people away as well, he killed a vampire that the young girl loved [link](Yuki had questioned him on it) so they both have their dark sides and they've both wronged people before, characters can't be perfect after all, they need flaws.

"Yuuki wants to help everyone, not just Kaname"

I never said she only wanted to help kaname, I only mentioned yuki helping Kaname in regards to earlier when you said Kaname wouldn't accept Yuki's help. Though I don't think Yuki is being stupid or has every did anything stupid I support her role and what she's trying to accomplish as much as I support Kaname and Zero.

Offended?? We are just conversing my dear, If you had offending me I wouldn't be chatting with you at all, I avoid those kinds of heated arguments I just wanted to share my opinion with you're opinion, that's all. ^^
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
That's good. I tend to offend people when I state my opinions. I find it interesting being able to talk to a fan of Kaname without being called stupid and annoying.

I know you didn't mean that Yuuki only wanted to help Kaname. I had misread something before and felt the need to defend her. A lot of people have been saying really nasty things about her lately, because of her more recent actions.

I agree with what you said though. Both guys have a dark side. And both dealt with their issues differently, but there are similarities. The biggest difference is that Zero eventually let people help him, while Kaname still refuses it. At least he is letting Isaya help him now. It's a start I suppose. Within these last two chapters, I have some high expectations regarding Kaname. Though, in the end, I hope he does become the new parent metal. At least then his suffering would finally come to an end after all this time. I want all of the characters suffering to end.
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Tish-Marie Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I'm 21 years old the time of name calling was elementary and high school XD.

I never trash Yuki like I said I support her just as much as the guys. What I was trying to get accros was that the reason why Kaname won't accept her halp was because she planned on sacrificing herself to turn him human, and he wouldn't want her to do that.

Zero doesn't let people help him, lol he's still a lone wolf, he let Yuki help him with her blood before but he's still very distant, not that that's a bad thing, I like that about him.

What I hope for in the story, well I don't want Kaname to throw himself in the fire, usually the author does what we least expect so since we think it's coming it might not happen. I'm hoping the manga will end with Kaname, Yuki and Zero together as a team, a lot of people fight over the pairings, but unfortunately my favorite pairing doesn't stand a chance of winning Kaname x Zero XD.
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I forgot to mention that I love your coloring of the scene. I was this page that made me start seeing Kaname differently. I will forever remain a loyal Zeki to the very end, but Kaname definitely earned himself some points with this chapter. It seems like he truly does care about Yuuki and the face that he had made was simply heartbreaking. Almost like he's afraid of losing something.
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmm, I can understand why that kind of Existentialist attitude might annoy some people. And like you said, it hurts the people close to him. I wish wish more people would look at things objectively like you did and not just take matters at their face value, which only makes them hot and bothered. When Kaname is sincerely trying to make amends for his past misdeeds and is willing to sacrifice his life for a greater cause, he deserves some credit instead of mindless bashing.

I'm not saying that Yume fans are entirely blameless. It's just that I've rarely come across people screaming 'Die, Zero!' but it can be my oversight.

Thank you! And yes, it is simply heartbreaking.
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I think the reason why people don't hate on Zero as much is because he's an incredibly relatable, sympathetic character. People can understand why he is the way that he is, and they can sympathize with him because of that. Zero has one of the most tragic backgrounds I've ever seen a character from anything have, and you go through the story fully understanding his pain and it can be utterly heartbreaking at times.

With Kaname: his character is incredibly enigmatic and complex. A lot of people don't like him because it's difficult to understand him. He comes off as cruel and manipulative throughout most of the story and that isn't as appealing to most people. You don't even understand why he acts that way until late in the story, making it difficult to sympathize with him.

I think the biggest difference for people when it comes to the characters of Kaname and Zero is the relatability between them. They have similar stories, both full of sorrow and heartbreak, yet they go about doing everything in completely different ways. I'm actually surprised that Kamane's mystery didn't appeal to more people, unless it is due to the lack of understanding. I know I didn't like him because I never understood why he did the things he did. Maybe that explanation can help you understand the feelings of Zero fans a little better and I hope that I didn't come across as hypocritical. That was not my intention.
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with you 100%. Zero was always portrayed in a sympathetic light, this great tragic hero with a vendetta, while Kaname was the ice prince, inscrutable and his actions shrouded in mystery. At first I wasn't able to comprehend Kaname's actions either, but his apparent weakness when it came to Yuuki saved his character for me.

I never had anything against the Zeki fans. I only wanted to recommend moderation in the nature of the comments they make and consideration for other fans. And no you weren't hypocritical at all, you hit the nail right on the head. :)
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I try to take other people's opinion into account before I say anything, that way I don't offend anyone. I learned a long time ago that I need to watch what I say.

I like how you portrayed Zero and Kaname there. They sound really cool when thought of like that. And that says a lot, coming from me. Considering my still fragile feelings on Kaname. I'm still not all that fond of him, but at least I understand him better.
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's a lesson that everyone should learn.

Haha, thanks! I'm an english lit student... embellishing everything is a way of life now. :D
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Ragnawing Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
You make a good point. I'm not that good at it though.
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EzmeAG98 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As much as I hate to say it, amen sister! your right I just think, Zeki fangirls like me are being selfish xD But putting all of that aside Kaname is truly the most selfless character and thats maybe why people are raging at him. Because they want him to be selfish they want him to take Yuki and have her all to himself and not care what everyone else wants. And I think hes doing all of this to make up for all the bad he's done in the past and hes trying to make up for his 'sins'

Also I might of been the person who said Kaname has no right to protect Yuki my bad ^^; I was high off of crazy awesome mangas cx
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL, what an interesting view! What would the fan rage be like if he actually did that?! :D

The 'sin' thing you mention, I agree with that. Kaname's really hates the fact that he's sinned and everyone who gets close to him gets tainted by them, which is partly the reason he wants Yuuki to make a new beginning as a human, so the dirty past is behind her and she's cleansed of the taint of his sins.

Well, I deliberately left it anonymous(shrugs)because I think it wasn't just you but a whole bunch of people echoing the same sentiment. Nothing personal.
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EzmeAG98 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hahaha I have no clue xD

Yes, I agree with you.

And oh xD
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vampwolfqueen Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013
Thank you for your thoughts. It's a bit unnerving when any character is bashed for the wrong reasons, but everyone has their opinion and I respect that. I just do my best to convince them otherwise. XD Anyway, the coloring on this page fits with the scene.
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the whole freedom of speech thing, as long as it's not offensive or hurtful to other people. And zeki fans do tend to take it to that level.

LOL, there's this quote I once read "Everyone's opinion matters, it's just that yours is stupid." :icononiwhistle:
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LibertyBella Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Oh its so nice to find fellow Kaname lovers out there. :nuu: Your thoughts on Kaname were very moving because I agree 100% with you about him. I always thought of him as someone who loves Yuki dearly and will sacrifice anything, even his own life, for her! I :heart: Kaname!
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hehe, thank you! :glomp:
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LilJudy Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with what you said about Kaname too, even if there are some actions of his I don't aprove of, for example the Kiryuu family case.. Also Yuki loves Kaname but Zero is precious to her too so I think it wasn't fair for her to erase his memories of her, but I am glad he regained his memories of her. Also I think that everyone has their likes and beliefs regarding this manga but that gives them no right to bitch at other paring/character fans
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very true! Though IMO Yuuki's repressing of Zero's memories is somewhat similar to Kaname's decision to change her into a human: so the other person doesn't hurt anymore and has a shot at a happy life.
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LilJudy Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well yes, that's true but recently no matter how much I hate to admit it, I think Kaname is being not fair to Yuki, even though he wishes for her the best possible... At least if he is gonna become a parent (which I hope not) the least he could do is let Yuki spend the little time he has left together with him.. I hope Zero could knock some sense into both of them after the upcoming chapters airs
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is it? I feel they've been spending a lot of time together ever since Yuuki found out that he intends to become the parent metal, more than when they used to live together. (They went back to their ancestral home, made love, came back to the hunters HQ after the attack and Yuuki was with Kaname in his cell)

Kaname's unfairness could be that he's not giving Yuuki any choice. But she was also pretty single track before. When Kaname was killing purebloods, she had to stop/kill him and afterwards, to turn him into a human.
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LilJudy Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well they wish the same which is not fair.. once Kaname's feelings changed or it looked like they did I have a hard time understanding him... I thought that there is nothing more Kaname desires than to be with Yuki, but his actions kinda makes it unclear or the oposite. I still hang on to that opinion that Yuki and Kaname should be together until he becomes a parent, which I hope won't happen. As relating to recent chapters Yuki is desperate to help him or even to prevent his death if possible but he kinda turns her down by wanting her to be human and be safe, but who knows from what... Or at least I haven't figured it out yet. So I am on Yuki's side, she shouldn't be a human, since by now I think she got used to be a vampire
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nmfinney Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013
Kaname and Yuki!!!!!!!!
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CrimsonGaze14 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013
I agree with what you said about Kaname... That's why I also don't understand why Zero/ZeKi fans are so mean to Kaname... It is true that there is a rivalry between Kaname and Zero for Yuki's love, but bashing is still a wrong way of expressing opinions.

I barely see YuMe/Kaname fans bashing ZeKi/Zero but when you look at ZeKi/Zero fans, majority of them bash YuMe/Kaname all the time. That's why I really hope that Matsuri Hino is aware of the attitude of YuMe and ZeKi fans and is considering that factor in deciding who would Yuki end up with. Because I'm 100% sure that when Yuki ends up with Zero, the YuMe pairing and Kaname will be more bashed YuMe/Kaname fans will be more bullied.
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL, that's so true!

Whenever there's a kiss between Zero and Yuuki, zeki fans go wild while yume fans are like 'oh well, that was coming, can't do anything about it (sad).' And when chapter 89 came out with a yume love-making scene, the zeki fan rage was unbelievable! I was like, take it easy guys, calm down, it's only fiction.

I think that at the moment, the ending can swing either way.
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Arhya Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013
I totally agree you about Kaname. Very nice colorize! So romantic and so sweet... whaaaa Kanameeee I love you! >.<
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you! :)
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SaraAwayuki Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I dont understand the fan rage either. Kaname deserves to have Yuuki after all that he has done to preserve her life. I hope Isaya becomes the parent metal because he WANTS to die either way.
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La-cruciatus Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd rather not get into the question of who deserves Yuuki. I'm neutral that way.
Yeah, it would be so much easier if Isaya could become the parent metal... but I think it's in Kaname's nature to make the ultimate sacrifice. He's the purest of the purebloods so I guess it makes for a stronger parent metal as compared to other purebloods.
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SaraAwayuki Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I mean that HE deserves more love and appreciation for his actions.
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SaraAwayuki Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, I'm neutral on that front too, but I just deserves a bit of love.
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2rsa Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very nice.I love it.And I totally agree with you about Kaname.^-^
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