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nat portman is a fake by kuso nat portman is a fake by kuso
Here is 100% proof a1rborne's portrait of natalie portman is fake. The beginning image of this flash is taken from [link] (he didnt even change the ratio!)

original -> [link]

his -> [link]

Just watch the movie

edit: forum thread discussion here -> [link]

he took the picture down for obvious reasons

matic has properly expressed my views in that thread
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abomb-in-nation Featured By Owner May 4, 2003
what the fuck? his deviation was an obvious airbrush. and the reference photo..i mean jesus christ. you made him take it down, for christ sake! i mean just look at the fuckin hair. fuckin shit, man. you have to be so anal about it? and you didnt even contact admin. about it. do you have a grudge with him or something? he kick your ass in elementary? eeh.
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h3wi3ntj4h Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2002
i can't see the animated version :s
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pnofxw Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2002
Well I am way late on this, didn't see it until just now, but I say good job for standing by something you believe in. I think a lot of the disbelievers changed their minds when he took it down and refused to put the progress shots up. WTF?? Why wouldn't he? Probably cause he doesnt have them. So good job *tips hat*
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jedi2k1 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2002
ok, im really late to comment on this whole "ripping" of the pic, but i have to agree with a previous statement, if he didnt rip it why did he remove it? I mean i know i have a hard time coming up with ideas for things to draw and occasionally i draw from another pic but....
i atleast make enough changes that it does become my pic and not a rip. thats all it takes.
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idografix Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2002
what about in the real world when someone works for a magazine and they have to airbush all the zits and blemishes off model's faces. they dont redraw the whole image, all they do is go over it.
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idografix Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2002
if you look at the bottom left of the original, you can see that there has been some cloning taking place. doesnt have anything to do with the arugment, but interesting anyhow
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konador Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2002   Photographer
and by the way, your flash doesnt load:

Warning: getimagesize: Unable to open '/nfs/picasso/files.deviantart.com/htdoc s/flash/flashmovies/nat_fake.swf' for reading. in /www/urine.deviantart.com/htdocs/view.ph p on line 48
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konador Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2002   Photographer
okay, so he didnt draw it. but airbrushing is still hard. even if it IS over the top of a photo. If you cant draw and you want to airbrush, there is no other way of doing it than to trace over a photo.

I dont think there is anything illegal about his drawing.
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mannela Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2002
this isn't that big deal though...just the sketch thing was lame. and the fact people loved it.
anyway, i've used paintover technique for practising myself too.
but in order to publish something it must be done 100% on a new layer and the image must be morphed so it's not exact paintover but it has some of my own there too so it doesn't violate copyright law and is considered as "fair use".
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mannela Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2002
and i believe he just manipulated the photo painting over and blurring.
but what makes this so stupid is his lies about the sketch and such stuff.
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mannela Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2002
a1rborne did a cheap trick
this is just what sucks about some people, want to get comments and "fame"
people who think the graphics they make turn into art only if they post it here and get a lot of comments
weird guy...and then is trying to "prove" he really did it with some sketchUnimpressed
should've spent the time he planned that "trick" for practising doing his own stuffDisbelief
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x-a-x Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2002
THAT A RIP YOU RIPPER DELET IT ITS A FUCKING RIP BOY!
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osiris679 Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2002
damn, i was trying to figure out how he did that so well, a paint-over >>>thats not right, i hand drew my milla jovovich, then airbrushed. It took forever and looks like crap compared to that nataly portman airbrush, but at least i did it in a way that art should be done...and thatz my 2 cents =P (Razz)
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methol-cool Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2002
First of all i don't make comments very often in fact i am pretty new here

Just an opinion:

I didn't see the original picture but from what kuso posted hey i like the picture however he made it
another thing if the author already decided to take down the picture what the fuck do you still have your up?

Finally you should have report it to an admin and let them decide instead of being an asshole and posting this deviantion
so you feel "cheated" Cry me a river! cry baby!
why don't you do something else with your time I hate people like you with their nose in everybody else's business but their own.
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zlim Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2002
This could've been avoided if a1rborne just would've taken down some layers and show us. Or is it REALLY so hard?
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psychomanatees Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2002   Photographer
the only thing that confuses me...is if it wasnt a rip why did a1borne take it off?
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terpsichorean Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2002
i'm a little late jumping in on this whole thing - so don't quote me if i've got the facts wrong - but i just read the thread, and man, i completely agree with kuso & mattic. there are plenty of people on this site who come up with their own original art. now, i'm not exactly sure as to whether he did supposedly sketch, scan, and color - i mean, that would be quite impressive, especially since the two images line up perfectly -- so if thats the case, why doesnt he scan in his sketch for us to see? i think that would be at least some legit proof that he did the picture how he said he did. otherwise, i'm with everyone else who thinks he just took the damned picture and messed around with some filters and smudging. and i also thoroughly agree that he should have hashed the whole thing out in public -- if it IS your own image, whats there to be afraid of?
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madtax Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2002   Photographer
well thats a REAL pic am I right?? and his is a air brush... I look at real pics and make drawings of them
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sfx2 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2002
though maybe my previous 3 comments were kinda weird... probably cuz I was under influence of alcohol... ;) (Wink) :P (Razz)
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sfx2 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2002
still I find him an idiot...
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niteangel Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2002
that's called proof? that's called proof? Same pixel is a proof?

Haha, you are showing off your ignorance rather than intelligence...
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mojomonkee Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2002
what he said. sfx2, you're an idiot. he's not doing it to get pageviews. he's doing so that people know that they may have been duped by what they thought was an original painting but turned out to be nothing else than an airbrushed photo.
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parasight Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2002
sfx2, stop being an idiot.
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sfx2 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2002
and that may lead to the banning of your nick.
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sfx2 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2002
stupid punk.
tssssss
I'm really dissapointed that the intelligence level of deviants is being pulled down soo hard by asses like him.
I predict a Banned future... in fact you are indirectly insulting and offending a1rborne...
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sfx2 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2002
that was to get some ...
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sfx2 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2002
I am unintelligent and resort to petty name calling to get my point across Flame Bomb

man kuso you are sooo childish, posting it in any location possible just to gek some bloody pageviews.
immature baby. I am unintelligent and resort to petty name calling to get my point across

you make me Puke
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zlim Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
a1rborne: For the use of stock photo, I couldn't care less. It's about being truthful in the description about your work. art isn't meant to be as good as possible. No one is going to bash you down for submitting freehand art. And if you do get constructive criticism on your freehand, As it seems you fear getting, Maybe you should reconsider the reason why you are sharing it with us.
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kuso Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
first off: the flash is better in higher resolution...devart shrunk it...it really shows that you just blurred and airbrushed over the image.

second: 5 minute flash....two images....one goes from alpha 0 to 100%...not that hard and really shows my point

third: your pencil image to this image would be a drastic improvement...wow, im impressed

fourth: some pixels didnt even change, and the bottom line is you lied to many many people who admired you (about how you did this)....dont try and cover it.
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a1rborne Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
Right... The pictures pulled, it's not in anyone's favourites, nobody can find out it was a DD and I've been publicly humiliated by kuso who couldn't be arsed to report it properly... Hope you're all happy... I'm even going to take it off my personal home page so people can stop posting it everywhere (like this) with bitchy comments!

At postage stamp resolution, of course it lines up! I made it line up! I'm hardly going to spend 12 hours on a picture that has fundamentally incorrect proportions am I? How stupid would that look? A fine art drawing of someone with a skewed head - yeah everyone's going to love that...
If you bother to zoom in on kuso's lovely flash applet (I used to have that much free time - and then I got a job) then you'll notice that it doesn't actually line up and that many parts of the picture are completely different. In fact apart from the actual proportions - nothing should be the same as it started out as a black and white drawing with no colour in it at all (the same as my other Natalie sketch that's still on my page).

I'll pay any amount of money to someone who can send me a photoshop filter that can create an image like this.

How could I credit the photographer? I have no idea who it is! And I doubt anyone else does either...

Nick....
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ost2life Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm with vigari and sfx2
if u had a problem u should've reported it thru the proper methods. this is just childish

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sfx2 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
Kuso you bloody geek!
You should've noted the bloody admins about that art, if you thought it was copyright infringing!
Why the hell did you bloody place it here?
You are so bloody childish!

JARK RECENTLY ACTIVATED THE BLOODY POLICY VIOLATION BUTTON!
THERE IS A BLOODY RIP REPORTING FORUM ON DA!

why the hell you do this sh.t like this?
man this is stupid.
bloody childish arse. Rage Flame Bomb :binladen:
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kuso Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
beautifully delivered matic....i agree with you 100% and value your thought-out and mature response...unlike so many others
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burt0n Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
Who cares? Its still not an easy thing to do to this level of quality.... So he painted over? Its hardly a rip... its just not being that honest on where is idea came from.
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giantrobo88 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
it dont work :( (Sad)
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shiji Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
shutup five. Overpainting might as well be just as looked down upon as doing nothing to a work but applying filters.
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five Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
With all due respect, this is a poor choice, and is quite immature. If you thought an image was a rip, you should have reported it using the new Rip Reporting feature; not by uploading another image.

This deviation is completely unnecesary.
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matic Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002  Professional Filmographer
I have been a bit concerned about some of the airbrushing-over-photo images I've seen in that the airbrushed work doesn't match up with other freehand work by the artists in some cases... I totally agree that it's valid to LOOK at a photo reference and draw/paint from it.

But I don't agree that tracing over something takes the same amount of skill or effort. Like zlim says, it's overpainting and doesn't take nearly as much skill or discipline. It is perhaps still worth doing and posting... but the technique should be mentioned so people have a clear idea what they are looking at.

In a1rborne's defense, he has a pretty good freehand work of natalie portman up, so he obviously has skill and puts in effort with his artwork.

And in kuso's defense, the fact that this was a daily deviation already means to me that it might be worth talking about in public. I know of at least one daily-deviation piece that sat on top of the favs for a long time that was, IMHO a rip.

It was a simple texture overlay of a photo which has a lot of impact. But the impact of the piece came from the original photo. And he never attributed the photographer in any way, and got the photo from a copyrighted source that specifically said not to use the photo in any way.

What did I do about it? Nothing, because the individual is very popular and I suspected the chief result would be me getting flamed. So, it's still sitting up there on a lot of people's favorites, and the "author" is loved more than ever. The piece has gotten rave reviews from many different sources etc etc, but I have decided not to act. But having made that decision, I also respect kuso deciding to go another route and publically challenging a1rbourne.

And if a1rbourne disagrees with kuso's allegations he shouldn't immediately pull his piece but defend it in public. Show the in-progress images he has, recieve a public apology from kuso, and we can all feel better knowing that the piece was indeed as skillful as everyone thought AND that we as a community aren't a bunch of easily-fooled dupes. That's what the rest of the art world does, they hash things out in public, I don't see why this community can't do the same. A1rborne recieved public adulation, he has to be willing to accept public criticisim and defend his work.
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zlim Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
agree with bedissy.

To draw of a reference isn't ripping. However, over painting is pretty lame imo. Please state that it's not a freehand so I know if I can get excited or not ;|
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aikon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
I agree 110% with vagari
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vagari Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
Dude, If you look at my initial post on the post by a1rborne I explicitly state, looks just like the original photo. I've seen this photo a bunch of times, it's everywhere. The point is, he painted something from a photo. It's not a "fake." I knew this "rip" shit was gonna go too far. Now we're losing a good piece because of your being mentally chalenged. Good job kuso.


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a1rborne Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
If I'm cheating, then you putting an unaltered copy of my pic on your page is definately cheating. It's been reported...

I have intermediate pics available, but since no-one is interested in asking me for them, or asking me why things line up, or hearing my side of the story, I'm going to just pull this pic...

Nobody warned me (and I can't find it in the terms) that you're not allowed to use pictures of celebrities, pictures that you haven't taken yourself, stock art etc etc.. So since everyone seems to think that basing images on a photo is somehow illegal, I'm going to have to just pull the pic, or I'll just get no end of defamitory comments posted on my front page.

How does linking to the source photo in any way show that I've done something wrong? Of course I used a friggin source photo! I could hardly have got Natalie Portman to pose for me could I?!

I don't understand how you're supposed to do things like portraits, without using source photographs.

Nick...
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cro4ky Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002   Photographer
And why is it a fake? He said, that he took a picture and made a brush of this in ps ... why not. Donīt think this is a rip.
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antrent Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2002
The plot and the deviants?
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mkinne Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2002  Professional Artist
whoever posted this is an ass - 100%. Someone (you?) already posted about it, I think that post may have even been deleted, cause it was a rip. Now, you are ripping another dA artist's work, whether or not you believe it is real or fake (i assume permission was not asked). why can you not get it that some people are and will be talented enough to be able to do really good work and others will be damned to try and rip for the rest of their life and that in the end it doesn't really matter? sheesh.

*noting an admin - this is just ridiculous. almost qualifies as libel and is definately against etiquette.
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bunnygrrl Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2002
DUN, DUN, DUN, DUNNNNNNNN- and the plot thickens
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antrent Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2002
He may just be starting out, it does have a very nice look to it, i do think he claimed he drew it tho... so that's just not on.
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bedissy Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2002
yes, i am of the same opinion as dygel. he painted over the photo in photoshop or painter or whatever. while not excibhiting true talent, it still takes some skill to be able to do this. but its definatley not DD worthy. If people would just be honest and sya that they painted over a photo, used a photo reference, something like that, and explain how they made it, stuff like this can be avoided.
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stateofentropy Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2002
Okay, I just read the details where he described how he supposedly did it. I can see why you're pissed. That's definitely a load of shit.
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IzaLoozer Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2002  Hobbyist General Artist
I honestly commend you for letting us know about this, though I think you may not be totally 100% right.

The reason I totally agree with you is because this proves that his is obviously not taken from an original "freehand" sketch. Actually he never said it was freehand...He could have drawn it from the photo... Perhaps we can get him to post his drawing as proof? The one thing he did say that confused me in his description though was how he said "paint by number"...in which case he probably traced an outline of the different areas...

If you look at both of the pictures closely there are some differences(especially in the hair and coat). If you take this photo and simply try to filter it in Photoshop it's not going to show lines in such an individual way as his version does. If he just did some work on the photo in Photoshop though he souldn't have posted it under Photo Manip. and not where he did. He also shouldn't have talked about the "Sketch" part the way he did... Again...I think we should give him the benefit of doubt and ask him to post his sketch as proof... If he doesn't......We know he totally lied...which would really piss me off because I left a really nice comment on his piece. . .
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