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Since the culture war began, there’s one issue that has been a very notorious difference between the sides: Censorship.

One of the sides believes in free speech, even for speech we don’t agree with or that is offensive; the other side believes free speech is only ok for things they agree with, and anything offensive should be banned. This isn’t really, per se, an issue of left or right; both political sides do it; but it’s very clear that in recent years, the left has been much, much more in favor of censorship than the right (much to the dismay of moderate leftists like me).

This ongoing issue of censoring because of ideological reasons has been steadily increasing through the years. In the beginning, people would be banned from social media for not agreeing with far left politics, without actually breaking the rules of the site. Then the far left would justify it by claiming “it was racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever” be it real or not; and just tell them to build their own social media.

So they did.

Alternative social media like Minds of Gab were created, with the idea of been completely against censorship; and while some of them have failed in that idea *ehemGabehem*, they’re still less censorious than Twitter or Facebook, and as such been places of more open discussion. Because of that, there are attempts to take them down by stripping them of their methods of getting revenue, under, again, ideological excuses like “they’re racist”, because they allow free speech, and as such, someone, maybe, could use their site to say something racist. The mere possibility of that happening justifies taking the whole site down, apparently.

People banned from social media or from youtube, or who lost youtube monetization, tried to use patreon to stay afloat, until patreon started to also ban people for ideological reasons, without having break their rules, and even outside of their platform. And again, whenever a social media, or any person, lost their income in such a way, the response from the far left was akin to “just make your own “patreon” site”.

So they did.

Some patreon alternatives arose, such as Hatreon or Subscribestar, and they were taken down by paypal, again under the accusation of been “racist” or “sexist”, because they allowed free speech. In fact, platforms such as paypal or mastercard are actively trying to get rid of alternatives to patreon, or twitter, facebook, youtube, etc. So, what is the point of telling someone that “they can just build their own X”, if they will be taken down for ideological reasons no matter what? And why are sites that should be only concerned about processing payments or donations be policing what anyone says on another part of the internet? Is all of this a deliberate attempt to control people on the internet? We have seen several cases of people been banned from all important media on the internet at the same time; youtube, facebook, twitter, patreon, paypal; all at once. This is a heavy case of collusion.

And this is not a simple, petty matter. We are not talking about someone just losing a social media account and not having fun for a while. We have reached a point when there should probably be a serious discussion about what place some platforms have in society as a whole, and what should be done, or not, about it, if we don’t want to turn into a cyberpunk dystopia where a few corporations control everything you can say or do.

Just think about it: If the existing, most powerful, platforms are actively colluding to take down any new competition, be it social media, patronage platforms, youtube, etc, that will mean that at some point the only way you can communicate or win money in an effective way on the internet will be through those few; no alternatives. That means that if they want you out, for any ideological reason, you’ll be practically erased from the internet.

Sure, you still can go to forums and small places, but we all know that there’s no comparison between some small forum and twitter. You’ll have no reach; whatever you say will not be known; if you work in anything related to social media, or that needs to be spread through the internet, you’re completely screwed if you’re banned from facebook or twitter. If you get your income through patreon, and they ban you because they don’t like your politics, you’ve effectively lost your job, since there’s no alternative. If you set up your own site, you can be banned by server providers, or denied service by paypal; both of those have happened; and be again unable to get money because there are either no alternatives, or those who exist are so small they are not workable.

And we are not talking about “Nazis” here. We are at a time of the culture war where even center-left people are been called “Nazis”, and obvious jokes on twitter may brand you the title of alt-right. We are not talking about people been banned for been extreme right, we are talking about people been banned for not been far left.

This is not something I have the answers for; there’s a solid case to make that these are private companies and as such they can put the rules they want; but, if they ban you for stuff that doesn’t break their rules, they should also face consequences , and as I said earlier, it’s probably the time to have a discussion about at which point a social media or provider has become so essential for people’s lives that it should become public forum, or if there should be something to prevent this companies to have an absolute monopoly over people’s lives on the internet.

What its clear is that censorship is bad, and telling someone to “do their own X” is not a realistic expectation to have.

Edit: Well this page has absolutelly exploded both in here and social media. At this point there are 600 comments in here and probably arround a thousand in twitter. It's physically impossible y would read and even less address all of that, so i'll simply not. Don't expect any response from me. What i can say as a general statement is that, as if happens with all of my comics, the vast majority of people have either not read the description, or simply made projection through it, cause almost none of the arguments against the comic adress the points been made, and just project some strawman, while filling it with insults, and a few of them even border if not completelly bath in proto fascism. Which is ironic cause there's quite a number of people calling me a nazi, even when admiting they know nothing about me except this comic. So basically a lot of people are proving my point about the dangers of having a system that will ban you from your source of income or any meaningfull social media based on accusations of been X or Y. And if you think that under today's political climate, where absolutelly everyone right of stalin is considered "nazi" for the most petty reasons, it's "ok to ban nazis", you've understood absolutelly nothing and will pay for it the day you say something out of line.

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:iconal-hasen:
Al-hasen Featured By Owner 5 days ago
servicers have the right to not serve people that threaten their reputation.
If don't want to be banned then just fallow their rules. 
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:iconkschnee:
KSchnee Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2019  Professional Writer
And the fifth panel would say, "Just create your own country!" =)
Hopefully the alternative bank idea will work.
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:icongali-rosella:
Gali-Rosella Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2019
Sucks to be them, I guess
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:iconmythzoneoffical:
MythzoneOffical Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
In the words of Scar, "I'm surrounded by idiots."
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:iconzacharytc:
ZacharyTC Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
Let me get this straight: You say you are against monopolies, yet you are willing to be controlled by a monopoly on arbitration? That makes NO sense whatsoever. Every time government has been given more authority, things have turned from bad to worse. Sorry, but if this is the majority opinion of Gamergate, your usefulness against tyranny is already up due to having become controlled opposition.

How about instead of begging Big Brother to help you like a good little slave, you put your money where your mouth is by helping to decentralize the Internet so that the Silicon Valley giants won't be able to shut everyone down so easily? You can start by sending developers our way over on this discord server to discuss how to improve upon a mesh network called FreedomNET: discord.gg/Pd4jadc

We'll be waiting.
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2019  Professional Digital Artist
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:iconzacharytc:
ZacharyTC Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
Calling me dumb and incoherent does not make it so. Unless you can prove it with an actual rebuttal, my points still stand.
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:iconcoolteacher0012:
coolteacher0012 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2019  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
''-the other side believes free speech is only ok for things they agree with, and anything offensive should be banned.-''

... UR ART SUC-  ''gets banned''




that was a joke, ur art great mate
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:iconrphb:
rphb Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2019
Just create your own country!

A horde of libertarians successfully create a sovereign floating island in the Caribbean.
Everyone rejoice.
Shortly thereafter it is invaded by America for being a racist sexist rogue state.
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:iconbtisaac:
BTIsaac Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2019
So Naomi Wu completely destroyed anti-GG crowd who tried to lecture her on you being a nazi.
Turns out, they're actually racist.
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2019  Professional Digital Artist
Idk about that. She defende herself, but seemed to believe i was a nazi.
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:iconbtisaac:
BTIsaac Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2019
She only had what they told her to go by. But she could obviously tell they were full of shit anyway. Still a win in my book.
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:iconasfoxger:
AsFoxger Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Kuku, no hace falta que respondas a este comentario. Esto es sólo un dato informativo.

Jordan Peterson y Dave Rubin (dos figuras mayoritarias en Patreon) dejarán Patreon a mediados de Enero para, supuestamente, crear una alternativa a Patreon con la esperanza de que pueda conectar con los procesadores bancarios tales como Paypal y Master Card. Éste es uno de los primeros vídeos que hicieron los dos al respecto: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvGs5b…

Patreon (y los censores) tiene(n) los días contados si figuras mayoritarias renuncian a este servicio poco a poco.
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2019  Professional Digital Artist
El problema es como se van a saltar a paypal o mastercard
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:iconraptore1917:
Raptore1917 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2019
Freedomtoons. Just gonna put that out there. Also YouTube.
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:iconzeniyudye:
zeniyudye Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2019
I looked into creating a patreon rival....its very risky given the current political climate right now.
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019
This is mark if the beast level crap, if you don't have that mark, you can shop or buy food. The bible and George Orwell warned us about this.
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:iconastralshurui:
AstralShurui Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2019
I pray we do not lose control of the internet because it belongs to everyone
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2019
4 Chan and 8 Chan will not allow that to happen. If anything those guys will fight back hard and I'd support them 100%.
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:iconastralshurui:
AstralShurui Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2019
There's an 8chan?
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2019
They are more extreme then 4chan, to them 4chan is full of normies.
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:iconastralshurui:
AstralShurui Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2019
That.. Is actually a terrifying thought 0.0
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2019
arstechnica.com/information-te…

I think there was also something out of Wiki leaks talking about some official documents that were proven to be true
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2019
Which is why I'm staying on their good side, especially since the military seems interested in them, but if what my cousin(marines) said about the scuttlebutt is true, military intelligent is a little disturbed by these guys. I say again, military intelligence is afraid of 8Chan and a bunch of ship posters. No wonder that leak about the CIA Creation of an office dedicated to memes and meme warfare was actually taken seriously. I wish I was joking or bullshiting, but apparently the CIA tried to infiltrate 4 Chan and 8 Chan and there's an article about it. Just how freakin scary do you have to be that The military and the intelligence community are afraid of you.
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:iconredwingsdragon:
RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019
And when you create your own they come after you.
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2019
It's gonna get to the point where we have to create our own currency and banks trading that currents to have to rebuild the Internet from the ground up the block chain possible. It's the only way to keep these people from stopping us at this point I make a better service than whatever they've got.
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:iconredwingsdragon:
RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2019
And they’ll still try to come after us.
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:iconzacharytc:
ZacharyTC Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
They can try, but to hack into and control a blockchain is like turning a chicken mcnugget back into a chicken. It is mathematically impossible.
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:iconredwingsdragon:
RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2019
Well that’s the thing they have. PayPal pulled out of Subscripstar making it a whole hell of a lot less safe and any of YouTubes competitors vary rarely survive. And even if you did make your own all they have to do is claim you allow people with wrong think on your platform.
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:iconzacharytc:
ZacharyTC Featured By Owner Edited Jan 29, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
Well that’s the thing they have. You don't even know what a blockchain is, do you?

PayPal pulled out of Subscribstar making it a whole hell of a lot less safe and any of YouTube's competitors vary rarely survive. None of which are on decentralized platforms based upon a peer-to-peer blockchain. They can't shut down something that lacks a centralized point of attack.

And even if you did make your own all they have to do is claim you allow people with wrong think on your platform. Then what? You don't think the Streisand Effect will apply to it? You think they can just take over all the nodes of a decentralized mesh network or hack into an entire blockchain? They haven't been able to do that with Bitcoin, Ethereum, or Litecoin, and cryptocurrency in general is smeared right and left by the mainstream media! If you want a strong proof of concept, take a look at the article here that covers how a group of Cuban gamers were able to build a mesh network and avoid being shut down by the regime despite how illegal it is:

gizmodo.com/cubas-illegal-unde…

While you are at it, here's our explanation of why regulation won't work and what our alternative is: youtu.be/Q_lBGpl-Prw
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2019
At which point if they keep coming we may be forced to the defensed our selves with violence and I pray it never comes to that
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:iconcain1241:
Cain1241 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019
Actually the civil war the left seems to want, would rapidly result in no further left being left.

The left doesn't have the training, the weapons, the will, or the ammo, to survive their civil war.
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019
Yup, it would be over quicker then a day.
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:iconsilverstarapple:
SilverStarApple Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2019  Professional Writer
They think NATO and the UN will be enough to force USA's armies to turn on American citizens, and we all know which sides the Globalists will fund.
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:iconcain1241:
Cain1241 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019
Very well said!
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:iconanisik123:
anisik123 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019
Олды здесь
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:iconnibaha:
Nibaha Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019  Student General Artist
I can hear George Orwell spinning in his grave
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:iconthecrossoverer89:
TheCrossoverer89 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019
"feel free to express opinions, as long as you can't do it in any way that can significantly challenge us!"
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:icono121do1:
o121do1 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019
This is how free speech dies. For people that preach about accepting everyone and their choices no matter the age they may wish to make it they sure don't accept anyone who does not think like them.
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Supercaptaincoolman Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2018
Leftists don't like reality so they substitute it with their own and demand that everyone adhere to it....or you're a Nazi. This is ironically the core ideology of actual Nazis; do as we say or suffer the consequences.

Oops...wrongthink. By bad.
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:iconthecrossoverer89:
TheCrossoverer89 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019
they think because it's for feminism that it's not Nazism, as far as they are concerned, if it's against "the enemy" then all methods are necessary
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:icona-gray-phantom:
A-Gray-Phantom Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2018
+fav 
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:iconepic-snowman:
Epic-Snowman Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Away with her, none of this is justice
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:iconlordgojira:
LordGojira Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
This is so accurate that it's scary.  Ngbbs4c3207685a9f1 by LordGojira
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:iconchibitacolord:
ChibiTacoLord Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I understand your pain
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:iconnuclearpoweredpony:
NuclearPoweredPony Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2018
"Create your own government if you dont like it LoL!" 

"Okay."  Elects Trump.

"WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!!?!?!"
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:icongabrieletheman0:
Gabrieletheman0 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2018
(Reply to Dissonant Wasteland) Ok
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:iconbrowningstrigger:
BrowningsTrigger Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2018
Personally as a Marxist-Feminist I love this. There's nothing like seeing the neoliberal-feminists in silicone-valley crush these fashy scum. It makes dabbing on right-wingers faith in capitalism so fun. What's wrong? You don't like the free-market all of a sudden? HAHAHAHA, losers. You're the ones who asked for this corporate neoliberal nightmare world to begin with. We're just winning at it because us feminists are way more intelligent than the rest of you. If you anti-feminists were as high-IQ as us you'd be the ones controlling all of these institutions of cultural influence like universities, social-media corporations, and financial organizations. 
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:iconmercenaryx:
MercenaryX Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2019
I can't tell if serious or troll. I HOPE a troll, then it would be masterful.
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