It’s amazing the insane effort that exists to try to paint The last jedi’s failure and criticisms as the fault of anything except the movie’s poor quality. The “fault” of the failure jumped from “sexists on the internet” to the favourite boogyeman “gamergate”, and now apparently the new push is that it was all the fault of “russian bots”; which is also apparently the excuse for losing elections and a lot other stuff. It’s amazing how much power some russian bots have, ah?
There’s no way to say this movie was objetivelly anything but bad, and it’s not an isolated opinion. Everywhere you look and everyone you ask tells you they didn’t like the movie. For every person who says they liked it, a hundred tell you it was bad, for a whole lot of reasons. But the movie has, probably because of its obvious political ideology, made itself kind of a simbol of the far left in a wider cultural battle, so there’s an interest in defending it at all costs against any logic and with any excuse possible. Excuse that changes every week. And now we are at Russian bots. Figures.
I found an article debunking the whole russian bots thing, tho it really didn't need much debunking, so i'm adding it here. If you want a very good analysis of why the movie sucks, that fits with my perspective, there’s a long and exhaustive one in here.
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I guess Codename Kids Next Door is now political show because they had some women and a black person, and a Asian person... ya know... being normal?
I thought you anti-SJWs wanted "normal and good" representation?
"Don't make a big deal of the character being gay/black/a girl/whatever"
Well here ya are, are you guys are still mad about it lol
>this movie was objectively anything but bad
>For every person who says they liked it
"I find the movie bad, so everyone who liked it clearly wrong"
You'll fit right in with those snobish movie critics like Moviebob and shit
Because it was a really heavy handed message about the "fall of democracy" by making comparison with what happened in Germany in the 1930s and...the Bush administration (what the fuck, Lucas ?)
In any case one way or the other the movie has ended up becoming an item for proxy war between two factions.
I mean, I'm all against the Outrage Warriors* and they're bullshit, but I still enjoyed it (at least more than the prequels).
And when it comes to the fan-reaction, they should have said something more constructive, like "When the Empire Strikes Back first came out, some Star Wars fans hated it because it was different from the first. Give it some time, and maybe you will change your mind." kind of argument, instead of "sexism, trolls and bots".
At the same, they are some douchebags that unfortunately gave them those arguments (the MRA cutting every female character from the movie, leading the a 2H30 becoming a 30min mess and the the assholes that harass the actress that played Rose)
Anyways, what happened around this movie is political mess.
*: calling them Social Justice Warriors would give them too much credit, because it would they are fighting for something useful. Outrage Warriors sounds better.
TLJ legacy will be decided on how episode 9 fares in regards if it was a true success and milestone in the SW franchise.
I love it.
As someone who spends far too much time on Star Wars forums and Reddit subforums, I don't know where you get the idea that everyone objectively hated the film.
Overall, TLJ just barely broke even compared to its costs, and its merchandise (the other major moneymaker for any film or TV show) has overall failed to sell in most stores.
As for Blu-Ray's and all that - selling or not, they are far less profitable than merchandise and ticket sales (as money has to be put into the manufacturing and transport of the DVDs, and DVDs cannot be sold for as much as many major pieces of merchandise for a good film. We've all seen those $5 DVDs for 'best sellers', and they can get even cheaper than that if there is an overstock).
Here is a video that goes more into detail. A bit old, but the numbers for the ticket sales don't change much, and the rest of the info is still fairly relevant as well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHskNv…
The Empire Strikes Back made less money than Star Wars (A New Hope).
Attack of the Clones made less money than The Phantom Menace.
Every other Star Wars 'Episode' film has been a resounding success. TLJ is the ONLY outlier.
I think it's more that some people who disliked the film are trying very, very hard to make other people think it "failed" when it didn't.
And that's one of the problems of today. It's not enough to simply dislike something. Sure, there are lots of movies that I've watched and didn't care much for. But some people don't just dislike a film, they want to try the darnedest to make it fail and prove to everyone that it was bad. Even when everything shows that it did well enough to suggest both in money and reviews that there were a lot of people who enjoyed it for what it was.
You are focusing on the gross profit, ignoring everything that takes away from that and how poorly that '$1.3 billion' is compared what they expected. $417 million net (which I still doubt takes into account the advertising costs, but I will give benefit of the doubt) is not that impressive, especially when also remembering that they spent $4 billion for the whole franchise, and have yet to come close to making their money back (especially after losing money on the following Solo movie).
It is also more often than not the other way in this case - the minority of people who liked the movie (TLJ) are trying really, really hard to convince people it 'succeeded'.
Things do not show that the movie did well, unless you cherry pick and ignore the majority of the data and the reviews.