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I’m not a fan of Diablo so it’s not as if i followed this story closelly, and it also happened while i was at a convention, but there are a couple good articles about it out there, like this one. TL;DR, Blizzard kinda hyped a new game announcement that hinted at been from the Diablo franchise, so fans where hyped for either Diablo 4 or a PC spinoff, but at the last moment, and worst possible one, at the blizzcon, they revealed it was gonna be Diablo immortal, a movile game that would be developed by NetEase, a chinese company of the kind that do bad gatcha games, full of microtransactions. In fact it seems that the game is just a reskin of an existing game. Fans where obviously not happy, said it so, and the answer from Blizzard was “don’t you have a phone”, while the game journalists, as always, sided with the big corporation and blamed everything on gamer entitlement, white male privilege and sexism. Because why not.

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:iconhoblinlord:
hoblinlord Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2018
In your description you call 'mobile' 'movile' I'm not sure whether you did this on purpose because I do know english isn't your first language. But it looks like you combined the words 'mobile' and 'vile' together, and I thought that was kind of cute.
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Probably the first but i like the second XD
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:iconthekoboldnecromancer:
TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2018  Student Writer
You know, normally I agree with you and say that the gamer entitlement is a stupid one.  But in this case, it fucking is. It IS gamer entitlement, with them acting like everyone should NOT want this, and since they don't want it, woe upon everyone who does.  It's fucking absurd the hatred, the offensive attacks, the entitled whining, and most of all, THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE GAME IS GOING TO HAVE THINGS LIKE MICROTRANSACTIONS WHEN YOU HAVE NO FUCKING PROOF IT DOES!

And who the fuck says that because you like the game series, that it has to be Diablo 4 they announce?  That it cannot be a mobile game?

The most pathetic thing about this comic is that you're trying to paint the fans as the ones in the right, simply because some SJW figure is saying the phrase.  Well you know what?  You're just regurgitating what these volatile, immature gamers who think because they like Diablo that Blizzard has to fucking make whatever THEY want and no deviations are allowed...

"Don't you have a brain, Kukuruyo?"  Oh wait, judging from this, no.  No you don't.
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
So basically in your own words you usually agree with me but because you disagree with me in one thing, i'm an idiot and you have to insult me.

And you'll wonder why you don't deserve i crush that pathetic thing you call an argument :)
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:iconroyaltickles:
royaltickles Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2018
(I know it's old but I wanna reply)  Kaku while what he said was rude I think i do think some part of it is entitlement. While I know blizzard is not a good company. Sometimes the rage is too much. I don't think you are crushing the argument, you are ignoring.

However Kobold you are not Scott free, insulting makes people not want to listen. No one wants to be treated like a idiot and your words mean nothing to the people speaking to you. 

For the both of you.
I don't think it's purely entitlement, the thing is blizzard hyping the damn game up of course fans would want to listen. Also it's natural for fans wanting something from something it's a basic human desire. I think as it's own it's a bad idea to be hyping up a phone game for the Diablo audience and having it be a big reveal. I think they should have kept it as a side thing. I also think the whole "don't have phones" thing is stupid. What gets results is money, if you ignore it and don't pay money on it, it's gonna be a failure. If no one likes and/or gets excited about a game they won't play it. No offence  meaning for both of you. 
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:iconcin-harrow:
Cin-Harrow Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2018  Student Artist
Actually no, I do not have a phone.
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:iconcaesar9999:
Caesar9999 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2018
Is it me or are Entertainment Companies lead by the dumbest and most fan/customer-hating/abusing people to ever be born in this world
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:iconthecollectorx:
TheCollectorX Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2018
i know that is supposed to mock them but they probably like that (2nd pannel)
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:iconteddybear101ish:
TeddyBear101ish Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2018  Professional Filmographer
And Blizzard's stocks plummet because of this... Companies really should learn that alienating your consumers is a VERY BAD IDEA!
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:iconyamiryuuzero:
yamiryuuzero Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I guess the lesson here is... Blizzard is serving us shit up our asses via our phones!

I meant for that to be a joke, but that's a pretty accurate description of Immortal.
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:iconasfoxger:
AsFoxger Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They have been making Diablo for PC for decades. And they refuse to do a PC version of this game.

Moral of the story: remember where you came from.
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:iconhoblinlord:
hoblinlord Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2018
I actually heard the phrase 'dance with the partner who brought you.' which I think is better because it describes these people who dismiss the fan base as the kind of jerk who would ditch you on a date.
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:iconthemikko:
TheMikko Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2018
Well it's not like they're really DOING anything, they just licensed the property to a company so they can reskin an old game of theirs, apparently.
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:iconasfoxger:
AsFoxger Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, yeah, I heard the Diablo game was extremely similar to another Chinese's company game. I don't recall the name, maybe that's the game.
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:iconares12:
ares12 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
"I've been buying your comics since the beginning; I called you a spotted dick one time because of your disgusting "Killcount" pics and you do this?"

:iconjollyjack: :iconsaysplz: "Don't you have Pornhub?"
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:iconstridersyd:
StriderSyd Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
I cannot believe that the devs who've been doing Diablo for years really thought this was a good idea.

Call me crazy, but I really get the feeling that this whole phone/mobile device-only platform.....
was the sole brainchild of the highest of the higher-ups of the Blizzard executive board.
All of whom probably think things like:
"The Diablo fanbase/consumerbase are NOT our real customers....the shareholders are our REAL customers"
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:icondunklematerie:
DunkleMaterie Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
So true. So true.

Glorious.
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:iconboreasrex11:
Boreasrex11 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
"Don't you have a..."?  What does that even mean?  No, really, I don't understand.  Someone 'splain it to me please?
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
It's on the description.
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:iconfeekle:
feekle Featured By Owner Edited Nov 7, 2018
This shit will continue as long as gamers give these companies the millions of dollars they crave. Simple as it gets. Gamers seem to struggle with this concept. They bitch and whine about MT's, DRM, and all the rest of it, yet these companies laugh all the way to the bank. Seems they really do like taking it up the ass, like the second panel.
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Indeed, but most ppl who end up giving that money are casuals who don't really know about this controversies or haven't been following the games. They simply see there's a new popular game their friends play and they all buy it. The core gamers are then screwed.
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:iconsilverstarapple:
SilverStarApple Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Professional Writer
So many Gamers don't realize if they desperately need this game or that game, but the game is a scummy thing that should be boycotted, it should just be torrented like Spore was.

Plus, normies will buy ANYTHING. Even the new FIFA. They make billions off those idiots.
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:icontheblckhood:
TheBlckHood Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018   General Artist
Fox: I dont get the argument... The whole "Dont you have The...", are they trying to say Just because we can play something we should, even if its crap?
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:iconuxiqiu:
Uxiqiu Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
Consumerism, basically.
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:iconguiltyflare:
GuiltyFlare Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
when you watch the vid.. you can see the pure cringe...you can see his face trying to stay strong as people are booing and coming up with questions that is breaking his hope 
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
It's really amazing they went there thinking it would be well received
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:iconguiltyflare:
GuiltyFlare Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2018
because they ignore when other companies try the same thing (EA, C&C rivals) and think..if we cover the crap with Ads..the sheep will buy it. 
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:iconadeptusinfinitus:
AdeptusInfinitus Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
Being out of touch and then attacking your audience when they don't like it seems to be the new cool thing.
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:iconguiltyflare:
GuiltyFlare Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2018
its a example of get woke go broke 
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:icondreamcastfan:
Dreamcastfan Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
I just don't get why are they blaming white privilege and sexism for Diablo Immortal bad reception.
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:iconderangedavenger:
DerangedAvenger Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2018
Because if a company's product doesn't do well, they try to deflect blame off the real problem (the product wasn't good/what was wanted) by crying white privilege/sexism/racism and insulting potential customers.

A famous example of this is, of course, the 2016 reboot of Ghostbusters. Go see how they responded to negative response to the movie.
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:iconniijugo:
Niijugo Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
Because white people and sexism is the most popular scapegoat right now.
Some people could probably take home gold medals if "jumping to a conclusion" was an olympic sport.
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:iconkukuruyoart:
KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Bullshit streches as always. There are some saying that because movile games are played more by women that means if you hate movile games is because you're sexist, and things like that.
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:iconxlrp:
XLRP Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
more get woke and go broke.
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:iconwanderer619:
Wanderer619 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2018
When I fist heard about this story, I almost couldn't believe it until I saw the footage.
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:icontdi-charliebrown:
TDI-CharlieBrown Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly I don't see the big deal. It's very simple: don't like the game, don't buy the game. 

Diablo 4 will come in due time. 
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:iconguiltyflare:
GuiltyFlare Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2018
"Diablo 4 will come in due time. "
somebody asked them if they are working on any other diablo projects 
they said no, everything for now is going to moble.

so we may not see a diablo 4 for 10 to could be 20 years 
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:icontdi-charliebrown:
TDI-CharlieBrown Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Well that may be. But who knows? It could very well happen sooner than later. Maybe it won't. I just don't see a reason for fans to act like a bunch of entitled brats who think the world owes them a living.
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:iconguiltyflare:
GuiltyFlare Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2018
Let me ask you a question what makes you call them entitled brats?
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:icontdi-charliebrown:
TDI-CharlieBrown Featured By Owner Edited Nov 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Because they're crying over not getting something they want. Like a little kid that doesn't get a candy bar. Aka acting like a brat. 

Like hell, they haven't even tried the phone game yet and they're shitting on it. At least wait until you've tried it before you complain about it. 

It's been happening a lot in the gaming community as a whole as of late. People complaining that a conference is shit just because they don't get any particular game shown like SONY's press conference when people said it was shit because of the music performances and no Final Fantasy VII remake announcement. Like shut up people. You've got Last of Us 2 coming. Ghost of Tsushimi looks amazing. Resident Evil 2 remake was announced. They showcased Spiderman and announced a couple other really cool looking games. 

NOPE NO FF7 REMAKE! IT WAS CRAP!

Sheesh... first world problems being showcased at it's finest with these pricks. 
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:iconguiltyflare:
GuiltyFlare Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2018
Well it's not really entitlement when people are crying because a game that they enjoyed and loved is being taken off of a system that's been shown to be either Superior in technology or lease in play ability to a more limited system the mobile.

And the reason why they're crying before even trying out the mobile game could be due to the fact that historically mobile games have been very much paid to win, as in majority of mobile games are designed to be heavy cash grab games that if you don't pay extra money for extra coins or berries you're usually Left Behind against players who Fork over that money.

Well people are complaining because of the music performance well that's nothing new people can dislike a musical performance at the music sucks or they don't like it. Everybody's going to like the same thing as well people complaining that there's no more discussion about Final Fantasy 7 well that's actually based on opinion many people are complaining because they fear that Final Fantasy 7 may have been cancelled if there's no more news about it when news dries up the video game the video game Falls and was called the memory hole.

I would not say this is first world problems because this is just consumer complaints first world problems would be people saying that not refilling the water filter is comparable to that of hard work.
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:iconthereddestmage:
TheReddestMage Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2018
I haven't heard of this story until now, so my knowledge of it is only what you've written.

But from that much, it does sound like gamer entitlement to me.

If one doesn't like an upcoming game, then don't get it. I see this all the time with upcoming games and movies too. Why do people feel the need to rage because some upcoming product isn't something they want? Why do they feel that everything made has to be custom designed to their ideals and expectations?

I just don't get this kind of thinking.
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:iconarithmo90:
Arithmo90 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2018
Personally, I'm even kind of hyped for the mobile game. With my current way of playing games, a mobile version fits me just fine, and I'd probably play it more than I played D3, if it isn't ruined by the F2P implementation.

BUT I also can't imagine how Blizzard expected hyping a PC-first community for a new title, and then announcing a mobile spin-off, would go over well. A mobile spin-off might have been received well, but they hyped people into entirely wrong expectations. Even out-sourcing it could have been used as "see, we're not removing any of the PC staff for it!" So that's DEFINITELY a serious marketing failure.

If they had announced the mobile game without first hyping a console/PC-specific audience, complaints would have remained. There are always complaints. But hyping a community for a game, that doesn't really target them, is just ill-advised.
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On11-chan Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You can't just change your product and make it worse and completely different from it's prequel and expect it not to get hate. If they made something good, and then proceed to make something worse, then what's the point?
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:iconthereddestmage:
TheReddestMage Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
Yes, you absolutely can.

Did you preorder Diablo 4?

Did you invest in it?

Did you in anyway pay money in advance for Blizzard to make a PC Diablo game, and then instead find out they're making a mobile one?

No?

Then yes, they can change their product to fit the new market. Companies don't make games to make people happy. They make games that they expect will make them a lot of money.

And it's the dumbest thing in the world to say "they're making a worse product" when said product has not even come out yet and has only been announced.

You can't say that something was unsuccessful if it's not even released yet.
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:iconunclebob11:
UncleBob11 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2018
I think part of it is the way fans tell the developers what they want. 
Yes vote with your wallet is a great system, and the basis for the entire economy. But one flaw is that it doesn't give the companies a very good idea as to way there game didn't sell well. They just know they aren't making much money

The complaining is the way fans of a series can voice their dismay at the decision the company made (albeit in a less than civil way).
This lets the company know what they did wrong and lets other companies know there is a market that is not being satisfied.

As for why people are angry, well they waited a long time for another Diablo game. A series which was historically a pc oriented dungeon-crawler with a "hardcore" appeal. Then Blizzard hypes up a new entry to the series, then they announces that the new game will be a mobile game, something most of the fans did not want.

In short the fans complain because that's how they let the company know what they did to annoy the fans.
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:iconthereddestmage:
Another example I think would be the Mega Man games. They also had a large gap between the last game. And sure, there have been people very vocal about desiring a new MegaMan game. People have been wanting a new one for years.

In an interview about why it took so long, Tsuchiya, mentions what finally got Capcom to get the ball rolling for a new game:

What was really nice was, when we released Mega Man Legacy Collection, it did really well,” Tsuchiya told me. “It had 1 million sales worldwide. It was very much a way of numerically showcasing, to people internally, that there is a strong fan base. There are people waiting for a new Mega Man game. We were able to show that with those numbers. We wouldn’t have been able to do that without our fans. I’m very thankful to our fan base.

In summary, people desiring a new Mega Man game for several years wasn't enough to make Capcom want to make a new Mega Man game. It was the Legacy Collection showing that it could actually be profitable to do something.

They don't make these games to make people happy. They make these games to make money. I don't get why gamers don't understand this.

It's not the words they influence them, it's the numbers. If a mobile game does successfully, it won't matter how many people vocally complain about it on the Internet.
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:iconthereddestmage:
TheReddestMage Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2018
I think the problem today is that people (especially gamers) mistakenly think that companies make products (particularly video games) to make them happy.

But they don't. They make games that they believe will make them money.

Mobile games right now are making a lot of money. Some articles say that the global mobile gaming market has surpassed the console and PC markets.

There are indeed more people playing mobile games these days who would not consider themselves gamers and who would not buy a PC or console game.

Blizzard has not stated that they will only make mobile games. They can still make another PC Diablo game in the future.

But this mobile one is a good way to get money from people who would never be interested in buying a Diablo 4 PC game, as well as as hook people who might then become interested in trying the PC games.

Heck, Pokémon GO kind of did the same thing. In 2015 they released a free mobile game that became pretty successful, and brought in not only people who already liked Pokémon games, but a lot of demographics (such as elderly people) who had never played a Pokémon game before. Flash forward to 2018, the first Pokémon game to be released for the Switch, Let's Go Pikachu! and Let's Go Eevee! uses some of the same mechanics as Pokémon GO and is compatible with it. It's a bridge to bring in those people who started with GO and are now ready and curious to try a full Pokémon console game, as well as the people who already liked Pokémon games to begin with.

Basically, I think gamers these days think that everything is made to please them. They forget that companies are out to make money. If mobile games are making a lot of money these days, that's what companies are going to dip into. And again, it's not like Blizzard is exclusively making only mobile games now. It's just that, like many other companies these days such as Nintendo, SquareEnix, etc. they seem to want to start dipping into both. Which makes sense. Why limit to only PC/console titles when mobile ones are making money and can get people who would never buy a PC/console game?
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UncleBob11 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2018
Yeah I see where your coming from, I partial agree.

Gamers can certainly be entitled (the petition to give mass effect 3 a new ending comes to mind.) Or indeed some of the outrage around fallout 76 being multiplayer. Which I find funny because it's a spin-off not an entire to the main series thus not trying to be a traditional fallout game. I even recall one guy complaining about how he "didn't support bethesda for all these years for them to turn around and make multiplayer games." Or something along those lines.

But I don't think blizzard is innocent either. If they wanted to appeal to a casual audience such as those on the mobile market it would make more sense to announce it someway that would appeal to the mobile crowd, not at a con like how they did.
I would guess that only a small percentage of the mobile market would even pay attention to convention like those. The hardcore crowd on the other hand take a lot of interest in these conferences. After all it's expensive for a lot of people and only the people who really enjoy gaming are going to attend those.
So Blizzard made a big announcement of the next entry in a series of hard core games at a gaming convention, an event almost exclusively attended by hardcore gamers and revealed it was a mobile game. This to me shows a huge misunderstanding of their audience.

Either rightly or wrongly the fans feel deceived and they have a point. They were in a convention, something not many very many people can afford to go to, something that would only really appeal to hard core enthusiasts. There they are awaiting the reveal of the next entry in a historically hard core pc oriented series. They know it's coming Blizzard advertised the next entry and but when the announcement was made it revealed a casual game on mobile.
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:iconthereddestmage:
TheReddestMage Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2018
"BlizzCon is an epic celebration of Blizzard Entertainment's games, esports, and the communities that bring them to life."

Even if most Diablo players are PC gamers, if BlizzCon is a convention for Blizzard Entertainment's games, why would they not announce one of their upcoming games there just because it's not a PC game?
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