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Which marking do you think is not as liked and how could we improve it? 

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firedragoran Featured By Owner 1 day ago
Just wanted to give some input ^^ ( though I think a lot of stuff is already revised in the new starters ) 

Wax - tbh I really love it, it´s like appaloosa with it´s many holes ( that´s what sets it apart from piebald ) the only thing that kind of is a downside is the guide ? I really don´t know why but it reflects the marking possibilities poorly :c ( to an extent that I wasn´t sure if it actually is like appaloosa ) 
( also in case I´m right and you plan to make wax have more possible colors than just white ( from what can be seen on the new starter ) - just wanted to say that it makes it more cool ^^ ) 

Ribs - I also like them but it´s somewhat true that they are kind of similar to stripes ( unless dominant ) - I feel like I don´t have much constructive feedback on how to make it better though, maybe allow a smooth gradient patch underneath it so it always looks like ribs covering something ? ( like a cage ) 

Bubbles - it´s pretty restricted atm ( not that I don´t like it ) but it reminds me of the spots young lions have on their feet and belly ( like seen here… ) - so maybe let them reflect that ? and since they don´t have to be round they don´t look like dominant Dalmatian :3 

that´s some of the ideas I have :3
Maclepsis Featured By Owner Edited 2 days ago
I don't have many kukus and don't really have too many opinions on the markings and such because I don't design any of them,  but I'll share my thoughts anyways

Wax seems like an incredibly redundant marking when Snowflake and Piebald exist already, there seems to be not much reason to have another white marking with similar borders and much less range while it being uncommon.  I feel like it should be a common marking to even that out so that if people want a plain white marking on their kuku, they don't have to fight so hard to get one of the plain white markings in the uncommon range.  Or, wax should be expanded somehow to make it more interesting or unique to separate it from snowflake and piebald in some way.  

A lot of people have been talking about flank,  I agree with people's opinions about non dom flank.  I think it's a cute marking, but is restrictive.

Bubble is weird to me, it's in a strange place, and covers such a small range, and it seems like a lot of people avoid it as a marking.  non dominant could reach the full underbelly range, while dominant could reach around the tail and neck and perhaps on the limbs? 

Dun comes off as boring, it always looks the same as a super sparse stripe pattern on the tip of the tail and the feet.  I feel it may improve as a marking if it could appear on the arms as well, extend a little higher up the leg, or have a dun stripe on the back like on horses. 

Gradient as a straight line when its the only marking makes no sense.  It would make more sense to allow it to bend even slightly to work with the body, or just don't allow it to affect the body on its own at all.... or have some alternative to it being the only marking.

Skunk is probably my most favorite marking, but I do think that it could use a little more in regards to dominant range.  there are a lot of interesting skunk patterns out there beyond just making one stripe, two stripes.  Also, on the guide it states that non dom skunk can appear in dominant ranges so long as it remains the thickness of non dom, but I think that should be expressed somehow on the range guide examples as well, it seems real easy to overlook that way.

Panda is nothing special.  It's like Siamese without the face mask and an added band on the shoulder.  I think this marking needs to be expanded upon to make it more like an actual panda mark in non dominant form (leg and arm extending over the shoulder and over the rump).  For dominant extends to the tail and a larger available marking range on the face, possibly on the chest as well.

Marbled is a super cool marking, but it's new ranges and rules kinda make it disappointing to look at.  The requirement for everything to be swirls feels obsessive and hindering to designs... Why does it specifically HAVE to be swirls for the majority?  Wavy, non swirled marks and allowance of blotches should be ok, it would still look like a marbled design and there's really nothing else like it to be mistaken for.  My only note on the ranges is that the non dom range seems smaller than it used to be?

Non dom ribs are just stripes on the sides that slightly go out of regular stripe range.  I think the range is fine mostly, but maybe an addition to how they act to pull them away from regular stripes.  Perhaps if they could connect at the chest?  

Eidos would be cool if it could appear in some small way in common kukus, like as a small mark that can only appear on the side of the neck sort of like an alternative crest.  it's just too bad its only a feather marking.
Aliciatwistrose7913 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 18, 2019  Hobbyist
Personally, it would the one I like the least is definitely non-Dom flank:3
it can be really hard and awkward to get a good shape and something that looks good on the kuku, unless there is another gen to mix it together with. 

Shadow isn't bad, but I find it a bit weird when drawing a kukuri with shadow since it is most often a darker color than the base coat. Which gives it a very weird contrast if the light is behind the kuku and you get this weird dark area where the highlight goes.
LadySaltyBeard Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2019   Digital Artist
Non dominant flank is definitely my least favorite, I feel like it should be allowed to extend onto the tail a bit more like in zeeventures example in the comments below
ArrowkneedGuard Featured By Owner Edited Apr 13, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For me, it's going to be Snowcap and Waxed. I feel like they're 2 sides of the exact same coin. White blotchy marking that covers pretty much the exact same area, has to be hard edged, ect. Every time I see those markings on a ku it seems to take A LOT to make it look even somewhat unique. :/ 
I feel like snowcap should be a softer, roan-esque marking. That's what I think of when I see the name, not just a bunch of hard white blobs.
AddieMins Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe an addition to min w/b so we can have eyebrow spots? a really minimal change to a free marking but I think it'd look nice :>
MajikkanBeingsUnite Featured By Owner Edited Apr 9, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
TBH I just don't like Flank ^^; I know that's not exactly helpful information, but my favourite designs with Flank are the ones that conceal it the most, by blending it in with other markings so it looks like an extension of Dalmatian on just another of the many patches of colour!
I think that if you could choose to have only the big patch, or only the dark spots, or both, there would be a lot more freedom. On the other hand, I do realize that if it were just the spots, it would end up looking like just Dalmatian.

I agree with Lucaiver about basecoat gradients. Exactly perfectly straight lines, no matter what part of the kuku, is totally unrealistic - it makes more sense for it to be able to follow the curve of the kuku's actual position.

Some more fun with Crested might be nice - allowing it to saturate the eyes, maybe?

Iridescent should still work on sphinx. No known Earth creatures have iridescent fur, but many have iridescent skin - including many fish.

Letting the irises of a Lumi's eyes glow isn't really that unrealistic...

As for the other markings, I don't really see anything wrong with them.

xeeventures Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2019  Student Digital Artist
Haven't read all the comments, but i def agree 100% with Shizu and Tassel.

Recessive flank has very little area to cover, and can be incredibly hard to fit in with the rest of the design as it can cover so little. Maybe have it be able to cover out on the tail a bit more in recessive (just a little bit from the thighs) and maybe a bit more on the thigh itself. 

Tailwind is also a marking i find really hard to like without dye. It covers the tail nicely but stops at a point where you have to either remove some of the marking to make it look better or have a weird sudden stop to it in a shape that makes it hard to fit in if you dont have other markings on it. 

 examples of what i mean:


Flank by xeeventures

Tailwind:  Tailwind by xeeventures
TwoTassel Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow there's heaps of comments already, I dont have time to read them all so apologies if I repeat anything that's been said a lot ^^

I'm not a huge fan of skunk. It feels to me like a more restricted version of ripple, and rather redundant as a result. The restricted colour makes it hard to fit into designs. I think it would be good to have something to really set it apart from ripple, such as allowing more spotted skunk type markings or maybe allowing more range with colours or the ability to have the stripe fade into the base colour or something. I'm not super sure of what would really help for this marking but it just would be nice to have it more unique that a limited ripple.…

I would also like if the stripe directions for Stripe and Ripple on the face region were switched around. I feel like it would make sense for horizontal stripes on the body to also be horizontal on the face for Ripple and vice versa. I know its something that got pinged in corrections a lot at least during the start of the markings.

I think it would be really nice if Snowflake got a larger range/area it could appear on. Its a gorgeous marking but can be a bit awkward to fit into designs sometimes.

Similarly Wax is a bit of a weird marking as it kinda feels like a limited smoothed piebald. It would be nice to have more freedom with wax and be allowed more textured edges or something .

Siamese and panda are very similar to each other as well, and it feels a bit redundant to have both such similar markings

There's a few other markings that are hard to work with alone if there aren't other markings to combine them with. For instance Bubble, Ribs and Flank.
PriestessShizuka Featured By Owner Edited Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pretty much everyone else covered what complaints I could say about recessive Flank and Bubble. XD

I think it'd be pretty neat if recessive Bubble covered an entire Underbelly's range of the underside, like an inverted Dalmatian almost, but with more round, bigger spots and ability to overlap ofc. And maybe dom Bubble goes up pretty high on the sides and neck, maybe even adds large round patches over the entire latter half of the tail.

As much as I love Underbelly, it's more because I love dom Underbelly (despite that I've yet to accomplish having one of my own in my loaf yet x'D). I've never been a fan of where Underbelly ends on the tail. I wish it went all the way to the tip like it used to early game. It'd be cool if recessive Unders also covered the lower jar. Then maybe in its dom form, it can basically cover all of the tail that recessive Blanket doesn't. 

I've much less problems with Pangare than other people do because I love me some soft edge marking, but making such a soft marking work in that extremely narrow strip of range down the tail is a bit of a struggle. Thankfully we're allowed to blend it so that color-pickable areas are only found near the base in the wider section, but it'd be easier to work with if it maybe enveloped more of the tail, especially near the end. :D
That and/or, I think it'd be nice of Pangare's range went up the sides more often, in a similar fashion to how you see horses with pangare:……
So it goes high up the armpit and around the limbs and neck behind the cheek, and maybe in dom form, it covers the limbs and lower face entirely like a soft edge, inverted recessive Blanket.

I second the suggestion of giving some dun on the hands while giving either rec or dom dun that classic dorsal stripe~ <3

I also don't like skunk for similar reasons stated by others. I feel like I'm forced to add a long, thin white stripe that just doesn't fit well into other markings at all, especially those with a border going the other direction like hood and tailwind. Maybe it could be improved by increasing the range of both recessive and dominant to allow skunk to be much wider and more influential, and allow more curving to match the curve of the body around the limbs while dom skunk allows an entirely white tail?

Viper also I find is hard to work with due to its plain, but forced shape. What if in recessive form, it could be allowed a border, looking something like a very faulty (pointed-patch-shaped) Marble, then in dominant form, the second row of diamonds is allowed to optionally be a second color without the use of Gradient, and the whole viper may have a lighter secondary border? (I'm looking at real diamondback snake photos for influence :3)

Panda as others said, feels super redundant when there's already another uncommon marking called Siamese that does almost the same thing. Maybe the 'panda look' could be more expressed by spreading the recessive range to include the shoulder and top of the knee, and the dominant range can cover the entire upper chest and back in a band around the arm segment of the body, and the tail/leg ranges increase to cover the entire rump area just like on the giant panda animal itself, while the range on the eye increase as an eggplant-shaped patch rather than like a stripe to include the top of the cheek, just like it does on giant pandas. :3

Ribs is also an uncommon marking that I don't try to aim for for similar reasons others stated. It's just a little too underwhelming of a marking, design-wise. What if it could be increased with similar style as that in a marlin fish, just as a suggestion? :D…
PriestessShizuka Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very rough example ranges I whipped up real quick~
Bubblesuggestion by PriestessShizuka Underssuggestion by PriestessShizuka Pangare Suggestion by PriestessShizuka Pandasuggestion by PriestessShizuka Vipersuggestion by PriestessShizuka
Conickity Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
GOTTA AGREE WITH EVERYONE, flank is a big weird and always had been to me,

I feel like it if connected a bit more to the tail in the non dominate form itd be a lot more workable?
jWobblegong Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
(nFl) Recessive Flank feels like it doesn't mesh with the whole design. I think it's too... distinctive yet restrictive for a mark that has to be so small. If it was bigger, I think it would be better; if it stood out less, it would be better. But the combination of not meshing with other marks and being really small makes it look goofy unless the designer manages a magic trick.
I think it's noteworthy because (FlFl) Dominant Flank is really cool! Still very distinctive (and not everyone will love it) but big enough to make the kuku's design include it... instead of feeling "tacked on".

(nBu, BuBu) Both Bubbles are kind of ok but making it an underside marking looks goofy to me. The spots on the tail in dom bubble are better but putting circles on the chest 1. looks out of place next to all the other markings in kukuri 2. isn't very fun to draw. I think this one is much more subjective and it's fine if nobody else agrees with me! But personally I can't think of a single Bubble kuku that made me go "wow, I love the gene on this one!"
Wildflower-Ivalia Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know a lot of people arent a fan of non dominant flank and I am sorry to add to it ;w;
I guess a lot of it is just personal opinions, but I agree with some people that increasing the marking range will help a LOT with trying to make it more easier do design/draw! 
Lucaiver Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Because it can only be darker than the basecoat and the shapes it can make are very strict, it always looks the same. I avoid viper bc I have a kid with viper and there's nothing more I can do with the marking.

The fact that it can only make a straight lined gradient across the basecoat make it look rly dumb. I think kukuri imports struggle behind other arpgs in that bc of the lack of allowed nuance and gradients, the designs can look flat. I think making gradient be able to have a bit of shape to it would be a step in the direction of kukuri imports really standing out.
Aniju-Aura Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019
Shadow, I felt should have been a free marking. I feel like a few free markings to help jazz up plains would be helpful. Anyways shadow feels like it is only good paired with another marking like underbelly or pangare. 

I actually like pangare but I feel it's range should be more and maybe on dom form it should be allowed to run up the neck and at least cover the lower jaw. It's dom range doesn't feel that impressive and only feels slightly bigger than it's recessive. Maybe let dom run down the legs and hands too?

I agree with everyone saying Bubble's range for recessive should be bigger. Maybe trade it for dom (except the tail bit) and give Dom range the chance to appear on the whole lower half (similar to Unders' range) of the kuku and maybe on the legs? Then people can use that to make club spots. 

Eidos I feel should appear on common kukus and should just make eye spots like that one a butterfly or peacock. The range can be limited for recessive, maybe just along the sides, and some it can appear anywhere but maybe have a max amount so it don't resemble Rosettes. Maybe like %30 of the body? 

I don't dislike Ribs but I always felt it's recessive range should be replaced with it's dom and give dom the ability to make a whole skeleton on the body. Not a big deal but thought I should mention. 

Hearts, I dislike how you can't do hearts with minimal. I feel like recessive should allow for two so you can mirror the heart on the flanks. Maybe give an unlimited heart number for dom. Maybe allow dom heart to be any color. 

Lace is cool and I like it however it might benefit from having it's recessive a bit bigger. 

I don't hate dun, one of my favorite markings. However I know others complained about it's recessive so maybe allow it to reach the hands. Then allow Dom to have a stripe down the back with stripes along the shoulders? I have seen dun do that in other arpgs and I always wondered why we don't have a dunstripe. 
treeling96 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
From my own experience with recessive flank and ribs, I have to agree that they are awkward without other markings to help them out.

For nRb ribs, why not allow us to have the dorsal stripe of RbRb ribs but keep the ribs in a similarly restrained area as nRb ribs. 
O-RainKnight-O Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the two that come to mind, and I’ve noticed a lot of others talking about it, would be NonDomFlank, and bubble.
A larger border allowence would be nice, and maybe with expanding it, the DomVersion expands a little down the tail, or maybe a little farther down the leg.
For bubble, maybe make the ranges in a few other places?
Anarchisme Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A lot has been said on recessive Flank already, and I have to say I really agree that increasing the range could help. o: It's honestly the first thing I think when designing it, whoops.

Eidos is a marking I personally wish was a bit different, but only because it doesn't show on commons. If it showed on both breeds I wouldn't mind it in the slightest. I have no idea if this is something other people think or if this is just me. |D
Lachtaube Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Professional Digital Artist
Most everyone has already put in their two cents on non-dominant Flank so I won't add to it :'y Instead I'd like to bring up Snowflake!
I think it's a marking that is overall difficult to design with, because of its color requirement, its limited range, and the juxtaposed random but rigid shape & border allowance. It feels out of balance and unforgiving. :'V It would be really nice if it could be treated more like vitiligo to create smaller patches of white anywhere across the whole body:
ID 39593 by TotemSpirit   Anise 32934 by TotemSpirit   Dulcibella 10655 by EyeOfGalyx
Maybe with recessive Snowflake covering less than 50% of the ku, and dom Snowflake covering more than 50%? ^^ Something else I would LOVE to have for it is a textured border allowance (possibly to be combined with the mottled border?) to allow for some slightly softer but not blended edges :3
IIIXKitsuneXIII Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Student General Artist
I personally can't stand non-dom bubble unless there's another marking somewhere to balance it out. Like everyone else seems to think, the same thing goes for flank.

Non-Dominant ribs is another one that just looks out of place most of the time, but I'm not sure what could be done to fix that one.
Smilefacekranaatti Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019
So I have three personally itching things on my list. 

Non-Dominant flank
- awkward range. It's very hard to make it look nice on a kuku without in example tailwind or blanket.
- awkward colors. Dark and even darker spots make it often look like kuku has a hole in it's hip
- if you could in example do few separate big patches on the hip would be nicer than one solid spot. 

- again, awkward ranges, hard to make them fit to a design or be creative with it.
- overall awkward.

- crescents have to be connected to eachother which makes it very awkward to try to place it outside a solid marking if the geno doesn't have one.
- overall bit lame in my opinion, there should be something added maybe? 
Kokutan-Wolf Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Bubble mostly. I never did like the design much (probably just me but I never was a fan of large circles). Non-dominant flank is also not my favorite unless it’s combined with markings.
yingyangletsa Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019
I think that non dominant flank can be hard to work with from time to time because it often ends up looking like every other flank and it's hard to be creative. I think it would be a slight improvement if perhaps it at least could be lighter than the base color it might help? 

I think this might just be personal but crested, like with that name I expected it to affect feathers on prairies' head or just at least the top head area on kukuris in general and not just be a colorful bib ^^' 
Meow-Productions Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Non dominant flank is, personally, really hard to work with unless you have a nearby marking to meld it into (like blanket or tailwind) or Dalmatian or even luminescent as a way to extend the spots and make the marking not stick out as much. Whenever I see or have to work with flank with nothing nearby, it just sticks out like a sore thumb so much. Allowing blending on it would really help with that awkward butt-patch look, as well as maybe extending the reach/allowance area for it.
Other than that, I have a similar issue with Wax. Allowing some edges to have more blending would help it not stick out so badly. It seems more often than not like it’s not even a part of the kuku’s coat.
And not too big of an issue, but I personally am not a huuuuge fan of Shadow. It just looks a bit awkward on the kuku, as if it’s really sweaty and refuses to change it’s shirt. That’s pretty much my only issue with it, though, and I’ve seen it done well.
Nondom flank is my main issue XD but not every marking is perfect! And y’all have done a great job with making all the lovely markings you have!
TheUnisieppari Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019
Recessive underbelly. Not sure why but I've always hated its ranges.
Recessive panda is bit useless. It's so similar with siamese, and you could get similar marking by combining other markings. Ie. smoke + paint, paint+socks+tailwind.
Not a fan of wax's edge rules. Maybe allow mottling after all?
I dislike skunk. I think it's boring and you can't really do anything nice with it unless you have other markings and use the skunk to accenting. Kinda same thing that recessive flank is.
Maybe change dominant tailwind's ranges a little bit so it would be easier to make soft/blend edges on the feet.
lolo9494 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019
Personally I don’t like the Bubble marking.

Perhaps it could be made more interesting if the bubble marking could be found on the legs and around the neck instead (or in addition to, the chest), in the non dominant form. Something like this ^^
Bubble suggestion by lolo9494  
Sakamerel Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Non dominant flank is probably one that comes off as least liked Ithink.  The range is so small and its such a plain marking that looks out of place on its own.  I think, as other people have been mentioning, allowing spots to be optional would help, and possibly some extra allowance on the border of the marking, like blending or mottling might make it more appealing.
Another would be non dom Bubble.  It's a little difficult to work with and may benefit from having a little more range along the sides rather than just the chest?  I am not sure what other people feel in regards to bubble, but it seems rather avoided as a mark.
And I may be alone in this one, but Gradient when its is own marking is... odd.  The straight line that it absolutely has to make no matter what angle its at or what the curve of the body is takes a lot out of the marking.  I don't think that real shapes should be allowed stil, but it would be nice if a bit of bend or curve would be allowed to help make the marking look more natural on a kuku.
TwistedLunatic Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Bubble and non Dom flank are probably the most disliked marks. Maybe allow soft blending. Same with dalmatian, Actually.  
Mesmermei Featured By Owner Edited Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
I think non-Dom Flank is one of the more disliked markings, as it looks very weird on its own without other markings like Tailwind or Blanket mixing in. It would be cool if you could make the dots lighter in color, or if the range was a bit bigger?
Also, Bubble. non-Dom Bubble gives a bit of a "What am I supposed to do with this" feeling, since it doesn't fit with most markings.

Personally I find rosette unfitting with a lot of designs, but that's just personal taste. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who love rosette :>
The-dragonne Featured By Owner Edited Apr 6, 2019  Student Digital Artist
Nondom flank :/ three of my kukuris have it and it just looks out of place on them i guess? Maybe if the spots were optional or if the range was a little bigger?
OmniCrafts Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Writer
Not a huge fan of Flank myself honestly. I agree that it would be nice if the inner spots were optional or if there was a blend option for the outer rim to make it feel more part of the coat.
TheMiles Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019
Bubble's a bit hard to get on a Kuku. I was lucky that Sancha was also hooded so I could get something cool going with it!
Maybe giving it a bit more range in both non dominant and dominant would make it easier?
Tarkfir Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think non dominant flank is a disliked marking, specially when you dont have other markings to fuse it with. Maybe it would be cool to be able to blend it more with the coat, so it looks more natural?
Same thing with bubble, it usually looks out of place in the kuku :/
RadiantRaindragon Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think that Flank is probably one of the less liked markings, but I think that's just personal taste. Though maybe it would be cool if the darker spots inside Flank could be made optional, so that people can make it just a single solid coloured marking if they want to.
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