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Iskierka persuasion by Kooskia Iskierka persuasion by Kooskia
(c) Kooskia (fancomic)
(c) Naomi Novik (character, scene and partial text dialogues)
thanks to :icongoogynoober: that enticed me in doing it ^^

I guess i was waiting that moment from the third book of Temeraire's series xD
Well.. i think that it has been well wrote by the Novik and just to make clear parts of this fancomic are the same as in the book's dialogues (the explains of Temeraire how he tried with not smaller dragons, and the reply of Iskierka in the next panel).

BTW, i also found very nice how the same author was possibly convinced by an adult fanart it was uploaded into the blog. If i remember well she first said that such "adult time" between Temeraire and Iskierka could have been a "cut" scene between books, and now such scene it's instead in Crucible of Gold xD

In the end i think it was nice and reasonable that the only way Temeraire could be ok was being persuaded after Lien told that he could not do something! Lol xD
And the ever-awasome behaviour of Iskierka that wants to mate with the coolest and strongest males just because she love the idea of having the most powerful-ever offspring!
Thinking in dragons's style of thinking, this is actually far from being "cold" or "bad": let's remember that parenthood between dragons in Temeraire it's almost zero, with humans keeping care of eggs and hatchling that are fended by their captains


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:icondinorule1019:
Dinorule1019 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016  Student Artist
What page of the book is this at? :o
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2016
The very last 2 pages of Chapter-13 of Crucible of Gold x3
Also the line I inserted partially inspired from book is "" “You do not need to hint,” Iskierka said, with a huff, “although it would serve you perfectly well if I did not care to anymore; but I will try now with you, if you like, and Maila can wait,” she added, in a rather venomous tone, “as he likes to go sit and make eyes at the Frogs.”""

The rest of the lines is a bit a fun-parody, but the "events" indeed happens xp

Including Temeraire saying:  "" And after all, no-one could deny that Iskierka was an impressive dragon. Her spikes had even not been so very awkward as he might have thought, although requiring some ingenuity in maneuvering.  ""
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Dinorule1019 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2016  Student Artist
Ok thanks :P Also what book was this in? Becuz i remember readin something like this in a book
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2016
Crucible of Gold ^^

Also there is a likely background story behind the whole thing. Basically on her blog, someone posted a mature mating art of Iskierka and Temeraire (some years ago) and she (like she did) made the ok to show it and left a small comment telling that should have been happens for real as "cut" scene between two books.
And then instead she inserted the event during a book's plotline (she made the comments before Crucible of Gold was published).

But generally speaking she's not afraid to insert some mature hints into her books, to be honest I find this is fitting and help to adds some more adult humor to it rather than "censored" unrealistic books that are afraid to show character's sexuality.
From book 2 (Temeraire in the lake, the "lessons" he received) to Blood of Tyrants.






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:iconioticaythedragon:
IoticaytheDragon Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015
These are cute.
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015
thanks x3
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RUNNINGWOLF-MIRARI Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Professional General Artist
Ahahahaha, fantastica :D
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Temre Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Hobbyist
Haha Lick 
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Phaedrolous Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013  Student General Artist
What's more, the third book also hinted that dragons can mate without making an egg.
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013
Oh the third one? I absolutely forgot about it! XD Can you remember the exact point?
In the later books it wasn't further said i think...

I remember well only about a female that said that the whole thing of the breeding ground was pleasent. But not many other hints that they mate "for pleasure". But i probably forgot them xD
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Phaedrolous Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Student General Artist
I think it was around the time they were prisoners of the Turks, or during the brief stay in the feral cave.
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Catboy85 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I thought it was in the fourth book, "Empire of Ivory," where Temeraire, after mating with Felicita for the purpose of making an egg, said that he and Mei had not been trying to make an egg; and that "it is quite different."
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
Yeah! exactly now i remember of course! XD
well.. that time was just learning the noble ways of some chinese-kamasutra book on practical lessons Xd
(joking... but maybe close to what happened xD
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Phaedrolous Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Student General Artist
Oh!  That was it.  Gah!  Messed that one up.
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GoogyNoober Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
I have no words! =) What a nasty person had ordered such a fan-art. :) Seriously, It's a moment which I haven't expected to see in the book with those funny dialogs. I had read some spoilers for eight book, there we'll have seen such "relations". Temeraire is a true gigolo. =)
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
yep... you're a very little pervy one Xp  not the poooooor artist that draw it !  (look around <.<  >.> ... i doubt something is going to believe me! XD)

Honestly it was very cool all the dialogues about it in the book xD
OF COURSE i doubt that Iskierka made it intentionally (taunting Temeraire about Lien having told that Celestials can't breed distant dragons) and it was just to annoy him! xD
I mean... she's too much ... well "Iskierka" to planning the whole thing intentionally xD

BTW... this whole thing of dragon reproduction seems worked exactly as i imagined ! xD With a Turkish breed (middle-east) close enaugh to breed with Celestials.
Actually the exact words in the book are that "(the european/british) are too distant from Celestial's ancestry".
And that "Celestial can breeds only among themselves".
While the first one is reasonable, i doubt a bit of Lien's second line. Basically we could think that is the CUSTOM of Celestials to mate only among them or Imperials. To not create crossess (there is no need for Chineses view.. that kept the Celestials only for the royal family). But i think that at this point if a Celestial would mate with another chinese breed (or an Imperial) there could be an offspring.

But about the same thing, now i doubt that the Inca dragon plans (he's named Maila Yupanqui) could have much success with the french Flamme-de-Gloire. Seems a bit distant as features, the inca dragons, to cross with others...
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:icongoogynoober:
GoogyNoober Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
BTW Iskierka's back spikes are pretty funny thing and Temeraire will have problems with them. 
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Hehe well.. that's happens ; )
Exact words are that he was basically surprised that "the thorns weren't such an big issue. But they still needed some ingenuity".
It was almost immediate for me to think at Temeraire taking time about planning it and Iskierka rushing xD
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:icongoogynoober:
GoogyNoober Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
LOL! =) Temeraire is smart enough for this. :)))
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Hehe btw, you noticed how Naomi Novik watched that adult fanart and commented that this "will be" a cut scene between book 7 and book 8, and then she wondered if adds more spicy parts?
Well... it's seems she followed this fans suggestions xD having added the spicy part in CoG ^^
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KeizerHarm Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
Could you provide a link to that and her comment? :)

I actually had been avoiding Temeraire-related internet for two and a half years while my country was behind on translation, and only two months ago I have bought all of them in English and read 7&8 for the first time, so I am way behind on everything, and I am actually pretty curious :) (I hope I don't look like a pervert asking for this :))
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
Haha don't worry! Some pervy humor it's 90% of the most appreciated stuff i draw! And honestly i'm proud of it XD
www.temeraire.org/2012/06/fanart-contest-glad-for-the-company/
Here: a number of fanarts made by fans were commented by Naomi Novik, and the one there too. The actually fanart appears to have been made for the events in Tongue of Serpents, but you can basically "hide" the small figure of the protagonist and think the setting is instead the incan territories.

It's interesting and in some way a good thing that Naomi Novik actually decided to show the "event" in the book itself, providing that fun dialogues that i put in this fancomic.

Just to say, on Furaffinity or Sofurry (adult sites) there are some other mature related fanarts of Temeraire.

Speaking in general of dragons literature, without censorships, i suggest to you "Age of Fire": a "classical" high fantasy series, all focusing point of view of dragons. It's pretty much young adult themes, with some pervy humor&scenes that triggered me in producing some other fancomics ^^
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GoogyNoober Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
I agree with you, though I suppose Naomi Novik doesn't really think about celestial genetic. You should know Naomi had added new correctives into her universe which related to celestial breeding and destroys old theory of two Imperials and one celestial egg. I don't like when writers change the rules from book to book. In spoilers I had seen those Celestials have serious problems in breeding even with Imperials and possible Temeraire and Lien are last generation. I'll hope that was a bad spoiler.
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Well... i don't think it's bad.. i study biology remember ; )
Basically Celestials and Imperials ARE the same breed (as dogs) and can easily cross-breed. Just the Celestials has a gene's trait that show the Divine Wind.
If i remember they're not crossed among themselvs (celestials) because they're few and to not make in-breeding. (that can cause issues)
But CelestialsXImperial can make Celestial (ever, or sometimes, it's depend if it's a dominant trait) and that's the custom.
However ImperialXImperial can make Celestial, if the dominant trait it's exposed and it surface.

In the end, if Chinese keeps only Imperials to breeds among themselves (or Celestial) (possibly because Chinese could not like to mix such noble race with the others)    in the end the whole breed could suffer and loose fertility: it's a common thing in many species. The key it's crossing with some other breed before it's too late ... and this could have happened thanks Temeraire and Iskierka x3

That's also why racism is a bit a failure ^^  the key for survival it's mixing the genes, not keeping them "safe".
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GoogyNoober Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
By spoilers I suppose the first celestial wasn't born by two imperials. The egg with Grandfather had been stolen and delivered to China five hundred years ago before Temeraire. I won't read spoilers anymore, they are sad. :( Celestials are the best breed, I hope Iskierka's hatchling will be intelligent and well-educated as its father.
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AMCAlmaron Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Come to think of it, we don't yet know how transitions between Dynasties occur in Temeraire's timeline, but figuring this out could give a greater insight into the Celestial's background. 

In our world, the fall of a Dynasty was linked to the "Mandate of Heaven". According to the Wiki; "The Mandate of Heaven postulates that heaven would bless the authority of a just ruler, as defined by the Five Confucian Relationships, but would be displeased with a despotic ruler and would withdraw its mandate, leading to the overthrow of that ruler. The Mandate of Heaven would then transfer to those who would rule best." New rulers didn't have to be noble at all; they could just be rebel leaders who got powerful enough to claim the title of Emperor. However, in Temeraire's world, an Emperor is required to have a Celestial companion to do this. This suggests one of the following;

1. A rebel can take the title of Emperor without a Celestial, but then must get a Celestial companion once he has proper control of the country.
2. A rebel must have a Celestial to revolt; thus requiring additional planning beforehand.
3. A rebel must have a Celestial to take the title of Emperor, but can still rule under a lesser title until they've gained a Celestial companion.

The first Emperor of the Ming Dynasty; Zhu Yuanzhang (later the Hongwu Emperor) started out as one of many rebel leaders of the "Red Turban Rebellion" which began in the 1350s, and didn't properly declare himself Emperor until 1368 (IIRC, he called himself the Duke of Wu for a while, prompting a war with another rebel leader who claimed the title King of Wu). Before then, there had been rebels such as Xu Shouhui (Tianwan Dynasty) and Han Liner (Song Dynasty) who called themselves Emperors from the start, and even more who called themselves Kings (Dazhou, Dahan and Daxia Dynasties) or Dukes; this suggests the first or third options are far more likely. Since it's incredibly unlikely that any of these would-be rulers would have been aided by members of the Yuan Celestial family, we can assume that they gained Celestial consorts from Imperial pairings, as there'd have been no other opportunity...unless of course they managed to steal a Celestial egg from the last family, which I admit would have been possible with Lung Tien Xian, who could then have been passed off as a son of an Imperial pair; thus seen as a miracle legitimizing the Qing rule. In any case, we can at least logically infer from this that a rebel doesn't necessarily have to have a Celestial companion at the start, but he better get one quickly if he wants to last. 

We should probably assume that the concept of a Celestial companion wasn't started by the Mongols; if they weren't restricted to the nobility, there'd have been a huge amount of them - and the odds that they all would have been killed by the Mongols requiring a trip to Japan to get a living one are ridiculous. In addition to this, Ming China didn't adopt any customs from the Mongols; instead the Mongols pretty much copied the Chinese method of ruling when they took control; suggesting that the Celestial companions were an older idea. We can also infer that an Emperor doesn't pick his heir; instead whoever the newest Celestial bonds with becomes the designated heir (Prince Mianning wasn't ever officially a Crown Prince in our timeline, but is identifiable as one from the start as a result of his bond with Lung Tien Chuan). 

If Celestials were always restricted to being consorts of Emperors or members of the Imperial family, then we can assume that the lineage in Japan was a gift to the Japanese Emperor. "Throne of Jade" has Granby suggesting the Chinese are intentionally keeping their numbers low; this would make sense, considering they wanted to prevent any would-be rivals. If the majority of the Celestials died out in Kublai Khan's time, then this could be why the "modern" Celestials have such trouble breeding; this setback mixed with the custom of keeping their numbers low would have severely affected their gene pool (although despite this they're doing amazingly well; they don't seem to have inherited any other genetic disorders). 

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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013
I'm sorry i've not read all your explains because reading too much complex english needs a bit of time xD
I would only adds 2 considerations:
First of all the trouble in breeding can have different outcomes: some species strenght a genetic illness.
Other species simply reduce fertility, but it's not something of identical for every species.

I've read partially about your hypotesis, however i was thinking that there was also the possibility that in China there was a breed of dragons with the same status of Celestials, just different from them.
But i don't know/can't say how could this hypotesis affects all the others.

However (being a biology's student) i can surely say that with the data given on ThroneofJade i was thinking that actually Imperials and Celestials are the same species. It's just that Celestials are a specific trait that can be considered a distinctive sub-species, or simply an altered form. Their common origin however should be the same, even if the Celestial's egg has been originated by Japan, it can still have a previous origin in China.

The reasons of low fertility of Celestials it's still unclear to me: it could be possibly related to the fact that they're after all an altered form of Imperials. However could be interesting to know if some kind of Celestial cross with every other kind of Chinese breed can produce some offspring.
I think that if this happened with Iskierka (Turkish), so could happens for other asiatic dragons 
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GoogyNoober Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013
Lung Qin Mei had joined to Temeraire's team in hope to get the celestial egg, I suppose other celestials can't breeding by reasons. Mei was mating with Temeraire twice without any result.... so I'm sad for celestials' future.
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AMCAlmaron Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hang on, that doesn't necessarily change things. We don't know if that's the same lineage; the Celestial line that egg created could have died out, only for a new line to spring up when two Imperials mated. Blood of Tyrants has a line that mentions the Imperial Dragons are breeding like mad in an attempt to gain another Celestial egg, and we know from Tongues of Serpents that the Chinese keep records of the results of various dragon breedings. Granted, these records could have been faked, but considering how long dragons live, it's likely that there'd be several living contemporaries of Lung Tien Xian (Grandfather) who would know if he'd been born to an Imperial Pair or not, and as such, they'd have been able to tell the Imperials they were wasting their time.

In addition to that, remember that the lineage of the egg stolen from Japan would have become the consorts of the Emperors of the Yuan Dynasty. That was succeeded by the Ming Dynasty, which was in turn succeeded by the Qing Dynasty; the ruling dynasty in the books. I'd consider it unlikely that any member of a Celestial ruling family would defect to the enemy when their state was falling apart (Lien, of course, is a special case), so we have to assume that once a dynasty fell, they'd have to start over and hope a Celestial egg resulted from an Imperial pairing. Alternatively, it could be that Celestials were much more common and widespread in the past, but their numbers dropped following the Mongol conquest of China; perhaps the Song Dynasty Celestials were all killed or they committed suicide (as did the last child Emperor of the Song, whose minister died with him as a final "screw you" to the Mongols), hence why Kublai Khan took the Celestial egg with him after leaving Japan. Or perhaps he was planning to use them for a future assault; the name "Divine Wind" and its nature does suggest a closer link to Japan, but then why would China claim a symbol of their rival as their own? They'd also have to have rewritten the story of the Yellow Emperor to make him a Celestial (of course, this could make sense, as the Yellow Emperor was a human in our world).

I dunno, I suppose it's up for debate. Methinks I need more time to think this through.

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GoogyNoober Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2013
I'm glad that you read wikkipedia. I'll hope Temeraire's author do same. I think Naomi's description of foreign cultures is quite poor. Hah, I suppose I'll be disappointed by her description of Russia at the eight book. =)
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
and sadly (but not too much) i read that spoiler before too xD but nothing else. It's not however too much huge as spoiler, even if this left unsaid why Imperials are almost equals then Celestials.
Maybe also previous Imperials were originated by Japan? Well.. i guess we should read the book to understand it fully... and you should read Crucible of Gold! xD
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CustomSaga Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't fucking get it. Is this about Dragon sex? Because that's....

Really shitty.
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Your words are not quiet much polite <.< It's basically a fun scene from a book.
And it's not "about Dragon sex", but the character development and talks behind it, one have to know the series to understand it well.
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CustomSaga Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...So contextualise.
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
expecially considering that this is something that readers (and the red dragoness)  wait from the third book of the series. and now happened in the seventh one, only after she taunted him after having talked with his arch-enemy.
Even if i doubt she was exactly aware of such strategy... more probably she just wanted to tease him and did not expected the result.
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CustomSaga Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wait, that's meant to be a woman?

You uh

You should work on characterizing your characters.
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Guy... they're not "my characters" you wrote the details? they're characters from Temeraire series of author Naomi Novik. And they're quiet much characterized in the series.

BTW, they're dragons, not exactly human-behaviour for them ^^
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CustomSaga Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh. So it's not even original.

Great.

Greaaaat.
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Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
It's named "fan-art" do you know what is this? <.< I see some on your own gallery Xd

Just to know... you're here to insult and nothing else?
This is named "being the troll" insulting people, hoping to tease a reaction xD
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