Thoughts about the Fats community Part 2
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So here's part 2. This is going to be 3(or more) parts all focusing on a different aspect.

This time I'm focusing on the definition of the community itself.

So most of the time, if you deal with any kind of fats you're considered to be in the 'weight gain community'. Now there are some fetish communities that border and sometimes coexist with the wg community, most notably inflation, pregnancy, and vore. They are somewhat related but clearly defined as their own communities. However, there doesn't exist a community for stuffing, belly play, public fatshaming, fat sex etc. It's all kind of lumped together and we call this whole thing the wg community.

The problem with this definition, is that I've realized that for a lot of people, weight gain is the only part of all these things that makes them tick, and likewise there are people who are into all kinds of fat related aspects of the fetish except the weight gain. Hence this kind of naming practice tends to create confusion and disappointment in a lot of people. There are lots of people for whom the girl going from x size to a bigger size is the deal breaker. It doesn't matter what size she is, as long as she gets BIGGER. There isn't a size too big because it's all about the progress of growing numbers. And unfortunately this is exactly what a 'wg community' implies. It's about weight gain.

Personally I'm more about the latter definition. I don't really care for weight gain that much, I can appreciate it of course but it's never EVER the defining part of what makes something hot for me. I'm kind of same when it comes to fat itself, I don't have attraction towards fat in itself, just the effect it has on making a belly bigger and rounder. I don't really care for bigger arms but I also don't mind them.

But I do love bellies. All sizes, really. I don't even consider myself a fat-fetishist, I'm pretty much just someone with a belly fetish. And fat has the effect of making bellies more pronounced so it kind of goes hand in hand. And once again, I love thick thighs and curvy girls in general, but it's not part of what defies the actual fetish for me. It's just very nice.

Of course this problem most often arises when discussing my comics. Sometimes when there's a steamy scene going on with lesbians kissing and fondling each other's bellies and you get that one guy who screams "WHERE IS THE WG???". And then there's that time when there is actual weight gain being portrayed by showing how clothes aren't fitting or something and the other guy chimes in "WHERE IS THE FORCE FEEDING?" and then when some girl is being called a fat pig for not fitting through the bathroom door, having gained so much weight, another guy comes in and yells "SO WHEN WILL THEY EAT AGAIN?"
It's like everyone has their idea of what the comic should be about, and they are kind of...right? Because we lump every fat-and-belly-related-thing into one big pile that's considered to be the same fetish.

But it isn't! 

Of course, I'm into most of the things mentioned so my comics naturally have lots of these, but it's not just about weight gain, and it's not just about force feeding either etc. It's about things I have experienced and enjoy, and I hope people who are into those things enjoy it too. But it's impossible to find a definition for what kind of comic I'm making if the only word we have is a "wg comic".
I'm not the only example of course. There are projects like games and visual novels and stories and others, where the characters can indeed be really fat, but they are not getting any fatter throughout the game. And as mentioned earlier, this can be a deal breaker for a lot of people.

So what should we call it then? I personally just say "fats community" when I'm talking about this whole thing, just like I did in the journal title. I think everyone is free to call it what they want, but lumping everything together under the context of weight gain is misleading and undesired. So I think we as a community should better define what we are talking about. Not just us artists as to not disappoint our audience, but also so we don't expect everything to always be exactly what WE want.

And also to kink shame less. Seriously, inflation and whatnot is just as fucked up as we are. More about that on part 3.



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HebiFuel|Hobbyist Writer
I think part of the problem is that the "Fat Fetish" category is really just a group of very tightly overlapping fetishes.  That is to say, a lot of the things that are usually lumped as "fat fetishism" are actually a combination of another kind of fetish with one purely focused on fat.  I think there might be a core, fat-based fetish that holds them all together, but things like shaming, force-feeding, and squashing are sometimes considered a unique type of BDSM or at least carry such elements.  I'm going to try my hand at some conjecture here, maybe see if I can sort of develop a working dichotomy for that.

I don't think I'd even call "weight gain" a true fat fetish, actually.  See, the way I look at it is that a pure fat fetish is just a sexual fixation on fat, one that can take a lot of forms, hence why there's so many different types of fetishes involved.  Weight gain is actually more of a growth-based fetish, in my opinion, which is focused primarily around fat, body mass, and size.  This is probably why there's a sort of divide when weight gain sequences come-up, and what's behind the "it should've stopped at stage x" and "X character got too big" responses you see on occasion (or those who always ask for more): weight gain is well-regarded by many who have a fat fetish because, well, it's more fat.  Clearly, the weight gain fetishists enjoy it, but those whose fetishes are not weight-gain based are likely to still enjoy weight gain in general for a few reasons.  Firstly, it makes fat a more involved, prominent, and active part of the story or sequence, stimulating both fat-, size-, and weight-based fetishes—not all of which are based in growth.  Secondly, if you have a fat fetish, odds are the prospect of more fat is an appealing one (at least, up until a point, but we'll get to that).  Lastly, it increases the opportunities for recognition and stimulation of any other fetishes. 

Of course, there's a big problem with all of this, and I think this is where the disconnect comes from: different expressions and variations of fat fetishes have very, very different practices and end-games.  I've hit at these so far, but the prime physical expressions tend to be size, weight, fatness, and softness, and surely I'm missing a few.  There are also aspects of aesthetic and form, which also play a role.  What this means is, everybody's particular fetishes and preferences are going to leave them with a different "ideal," and weight gain is generally perceived as approaching that ideal, *except* when that ideal has already been reached, at which point further weight gain would actually start to move away from that ideal.  I'm not quite sure where it comes from, but I assume it's mainly drawn from form, proportions, and the shape.  For gain fetishists, though, the objective is completely different; instead of gaining weight mainly for particular results, I think WG fetishes seek weight gain for its own sake and see the results as the spoils.  This is why there's no defined upper-limit for them—they're just after the act of gaining.

Progress is a thing, of course, and improvement on a fetishized trait is always desirable, but I think I'm missing points on the connections, so I'll try to lay it out by describing my own set.  I don't think it's much of a leap for me to say I've got a fat fetish; I'm clearly quite fixated on it and aroused by fat and its softness, jiggle, etc.  I'm most aroused by bellies as the best place for said fat, followed closely by thighs.  Size is also a big deal for me, and situations that accentuate it (contrast against a slimmer character, particular angles or poses, and attempting certain actions) are exceptionally arousing as well.  That said, extreme proportions (disproportionately large hips or breasts), loss of human or human-esque form (for me, at least, that's when a character starts to resemble a mound of rolls more than they do a person), and difficulty living (impairment or loss of mobility) are all pretty big turn-offs for me, so getting past a certain size is usually a bad thing from my perspective. 

What I'm getting at is that there are a lot of different fetishes, kinks, and preferences in and among the "fats community."  I think I had something else I was going to say, but was pretty damn tired when I wrote this, got some sleep, woke-up, and have completely forgotten where I was going with this.  I guess more of a mechanical breakdown of how and why I think things overlap like they do, as well as what things bring different groups into conflict.
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BigBellyGirlsDrawing|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Honestly, I call the liking of fat people Adipophilia, the rest by their own name, and the whole the Belly Community. Everything from A to Z when it comes to round stomach.
Is that a better way to call it than WG community?
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lkj0987654321's avatar
Yeah, in the end it's impossible to satisfy everyone. Things just get worse the more popular you are, probably, because people start to get upset if you don't cater to them.

> There are lots of people for whom the girl going from x size to a bigger size is the deal breaker. It doesn't matter what size she is, as long as she gets BIGGER. There isn't a size too big because it's all about the progress of growing numbers. And unfortunately this is exactly what a 'wg community' implies. It's about weight gain.

I have to admit, I am a person like this. Progression is big for me, and stories/comics that imply it tend to be my favourites. One can't help one's tastes. That said, I think people could stand to be a little more flexible. There's plenty of things to enjoy even in works that don't cater directly to your main kink. I read your comics for the cute girls, the fun interactions, the dialogue, and of course the stuffing/belly/fatshaming stuff as well. It doesn't need to be about my favourite thing in the world in order to be fun and enjoyable, and ultimately it's the artist's own enthusiasm that makes the final product worth reading.
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NotHere098's avatar
Wise words.
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Meep64k's avatar
Meep64k|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm enjoying reading these thoughts, it's cool to hear an opinion like this sometimes
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ludde1994's avatar
ludde1994|Hobbyist Artist
Honestly I really like this , I have gotten so invested in this story and the characters not because of the subject of this 
I'm not too interested in that subject apart the fact that it's cute how they act 
I've been wanting to branch out with my drawing for the longest time , sometimes I want to give something like this a try 
Mostly a comic in general but maybe have a chubby character or something related to it in that comic with a mix of characters 
I started rambling alot sorry lul
My point being, the story comes first for me and your story is awesome <3
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KipTeiTei's avatar
KipTeiTei|Student Digital Artist
It's really nice to hear that someone enjoys what I do even if they're not so much into the subject matter. So thanks!
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ludde1994's avatar
ludde1994|Hobbyist Artist
I think "neutral" is a good word ^^'
I'm into alot of things and accepting of alot of things, be it chubby or thin I find the characters cute most of the time if their personality is very fleshed out ^-^
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Qwasaur's avatar
Started rambling a lot? HAVE YOU SEEN THE OTHER COMMENTS!?!
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ludde1994's avatar
ludde1994|Hobbyist Artist
O-oh its not a bad thing hehe~
I can easily get going as soon as i start so to speak~
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RRaffael|Hobbyist General Artist
I think it could be called "story-telling weight-gain". In comparison to other comics/mangas about fatties you actually tell a story in which the characters gain weight, struggle with that and develop other characteristics alongside their fat-related minds. It is more realistic than most of the wg-stories out there and thus way more long-lasting. BWS and NLB are just (more or less) ordinary people, without special talents or powers, besides the slightly over-the-top feeding capacity. But even that is kept down to a level you could think about as a human trait rather than some fantastic superhuman ability. 
If you look for other (long-lasting) comics about this, you're merely going to find any (at least I didn't). But those I've read so far had also good and quite interesting stories behind the whole wg, but they had something to it that cuts it off from being realistic. There we have IHHAT with some demonic cult hiding behind the feeder giving him extra-ordinary abilities (I'll ignore that it is about furry's at this point since it doesn't really matter to the story itself). The protagonist falls in love with her feeder and the food he serves her but keeps herself down to more or less normal levels with the stuffing. The results are quite appropriate to what she eats (like KTT's stories) and also the suffering from stuffing and overall wg is rather realistic. The downside of IHHAT is, that the interaction with normal people is almost nonexistent since the protagonist's friends and family either are feeders, too, or  just merely appearing in the story at all. On top of that almost the whole story takes place in one of the couple's houses so there is almost no influence by society.
Then there is Bad Maid, where we have a girl who has some extraordinary family-trait which allows her to eat extremely much (for a human). In this Story all the characters seem to have an increased stomach-capacity but the main character is just out of reach for others. She gains weight, quite less than she should with the given amount of food, and at some point she gets a food-flash (or something... idk how to call it) and becomes an insatiable eating-machine, which ends with her being sliced up at the hospital and getting everything fished out what she ate before. It is overall highly unrealistic, but even so it's quite long-lasting. In other scenarios or with other authors it would get out of hand way too quickly and the main character(s) grow so much, they become bigger than buildings or even the earth itself. Of course the surgeries help the story to maintain a reasonable level, even though it's way over the top. The story develops beyond the chapters (separated by the surgeries) and the interaction with the 'outside world' is quite high. 
And the last one I'd like to refer to is Eating Maid . It is a rather short story but I really like the setup and the way it handles the wg. It is (of these three) the most realistic story and even though the protagonist is in a mansion all the time and around the same people, it feels like something could happen (not in this century but that's the thing with maids). The wg isn't the main part of it but the way the protagonist deals with the overstuffing (which by the way is kept down to a quite human level). I just think that it is really good since it's frequent eating, then having trouble with the overstuffing, but everything just not extreme.

What I want to tell you Kip, is that you are the one who combines the (for me positive) aspects of those three and tell a story about stuffing at a reasonable rate, the effects on the protagonist's social life and personality and of course the weight gain itself. It's just the bit too (lewd?) to call it a ordinary comic, you're not too focused on satisfying the reader's fetishes. You're actually able to tell a quality story instead of just serving the fetish it contains all the time. It is what others call a wasted talent, but I think it's the opposite. The wg-scene is quite unique by being not too extraordinary or made up and you're (the) one to define (at least for me) what makes a good fetish-containing story.
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bcobcobco's avatar
You can never please everyone ,but as a fan of the increase of size (and weight) i find your pacing as close to perfect as I've seen
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TurtleMill|Hobbyist General Artist
w h a t  m a t e??????
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sozmate's avatar
kink shaming is my kink
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Qwasaur's avatar
You know your right I agree to everything said in this journal. I thought I was the only one who didn't like fat but the actual belly itself. Glad to see I was wrong. I really enjoy the way you intertwine the fetish art with story and honestly I'm really not even watching for the fetish stuff any more but more so the story itself. (I mean really though I still watch for fetish stuff just I like the story aspect.) Also unlike most fetish artists you share how YOU feel about subject! Keep up the great work can't wait until the next page in NLB and part 3 of this. (You don't have to answer this if you don't want to) Are you a guy or a gal? I'm NOT assuming so I'm not saying you have to classify as either I just would like to know. Hopefully I didn't come off as creepy to you uhh anyway BYE!!!
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RRaffael's avatar
RRaffael|Hobbyist General Artist
There's always more than one person having the same fetish. You shouldn't feel alone with your fetishes.
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coolhandmelvin's avatar
Well said.
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AllFlabbedUp's avatar
IMO, no one should expect "reason" in a fetish community.  Not to say that everyone in it is unreasonable, illogical, and ill-mannered; I've personally seen at least hundreds, if not more, that are not commenting stuff like "show belly" and "when feeding time?!?! grr angrey!!" and are instead either just commenting praise or constructive criticism.  It's just that a fetish is a purely emotional thing, and with heightened emotion comes lesser logic, and with less logic, you have lots of really... emotional, people.  To put it politely.  To put it rudely, deranged and deprived people who really don't care about much other than their own pleasure.

On the whole point of the fat fetish community basically being every related or near-related fetish lumped into one, I agree, and think that there should be a more notable difference between it.  I follow quite a few artists who upload art of theirs that comes from fat fetish art, and goes all the way to vore.  Furry seems to be casually accepted around here, too, which I find refreshingly odd on one hand, but unsettlingly strange on the other.  I dunno why it's unsettling to me, don't ask, I wouldn't have a proper answer :^)

Now on the Kinkshaming thing, I genuinely believe that if you're being public about your fetish, you're also susceptible to criticism on it.  At the same time, I believe that if you really think there is a reason as to why you have the fetish, you shouldn't really be ashamed of it.  Personally, I know why I have my fetish; the most attractive girls that I knew were all overweight, and a bunch of those flashy weight loss ads with the chubby/fat animated girls on them really did a number on 10-12 year old me.  I'm not proud of having it, and to be honest, I wish I never had it in the first place, because it's really messing with my own weight, but in the end, I have it, and I can't seem to do much to change that fact, so I'm not ashamed of it.  I can argue over why I have the fetish, and I can argue over the health benefits and losses of the fetish.

Having the fetish should make anyone with it aware that there is no healthy path, and that if they want to gain a surplus amount of weight, it will definitely end up being their demise.  That's part and parcel with the fetish.  A levelheaded individual with the fetish would favour their lives over the fetish, but know how to keep both in moderation.  It's at that point where, if you're arguing/debating with someone who is kinkshaming you, they would most definitely be in the wrong, and you would have the evidence to prove so.  However; and this may be controversial in this community, but I fully believe it: If you're throwing your entire life away to become an immobile person who is fully indulging in their fetish without a care for the people who may care about them, I believe kinkshaming might work as a sort of wake-up call, should it not be just "you are so fat lol! you like being fat lol dumb idiot!!!" and actual valid criticism.  Giving into your emotion of pleasure to that extent is just as bad as being a strict person who bases their entire life purely on reason and logic, who is as soulless as your 2nd grade teacher who's underpaid and sick of teaching 7 year old's what multiplication is.

Had I not been kinkshamed two years ago, I could've completely destroyed my life, not even having really begun it yet.  I'd be 200 pounds now, a total and utter disappointment to everyone I know, even the loser in the mirror, and my entire life would revolve around my stomach.  Even my friends (who are currently SELF-ADMITTED disappointments to everyone they know) would be validly disappointed in me.  Someone showed me the joys of being an enjoyable weight, and what I would lose out on were I to be fat, and I decided that it's not worth self-indulging on my pleasure; trading my enjoyment of life for enjoyment of sexual nature.

Now don't get me wrong: Bad kinkshaming IS BAD.  Everytime I see a post about the fetish in private Facebook groups I'm in, there are always at least 5 people saying "These could be your children", or "How far has society fallen", or "Total utter disappointments", or "Wastes of human space, kill them and feed an entire African village" etc.  I mean, it's REALLY VILE, and it's definitely wrong.  Unfortunately, there aren't many things you CAN do about these people; block 'em, mute 'em, or just ignoring 'em are your best options.  They come a dime a dozen, and their shitty opinions only validate their own false egos and shitty sense of pride.

I didn't choose to have a fat fetish, but if I really did have a choice to get rid of it now, I wouldn't do so.  It's become a strange and small part of me that makes up what it means to be me.  If I were to flick a switch to delete this side of me, it would be like turning off an entire emotion of mine.  I'd be lost, confused, conflicted, and sad.  But all of that applies to everyone who has the fetish, even the ones who are still conflicted over having it, and even to those who have gone way off the far end with it.  People shouldn't be ashamed of who they are.  I hate to say the meme, but It's god damn 2018.  Hell, almost 2019 now.  There are definitely things that people do that they SHOULD be ashamed of, but having a fetish is not one of them.

Of course, if your fetish involves the harming (physical, psychological, or emotional) of another person, then I would really try to tell you it's wrong, and that you should stop.  Even Fat Fetishists have this problem; some people try and manipulate their boyfriend or girlfriend into gaining weight for them just for pleasure, and it can become very abusive.  There will be bad apples in every single group of things, from thoughts, to ideas, to people.  The REAL problem, as well as the real- and only- solution, is knowing who and what the bad apples are, and avoiding them, focusing hard on not being coerced or influenced by them, and sticking to your true self.

Also, sorry, this was REALLY long.
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LavenderSpectre's avatar
I think we can simplify and summarize.

1) Understand there is a difference between fantasy and reality with kinks.

2) Keep unhealthy/harmful kinks in fantasy.

3) Don't kinkshame, it's never good.
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Thanks for the TL;DR.
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I never really stopped to think about it before, but you're completely right.  I've encountered the issue before with finding 'weight gain' pictures that were actually something else, like inflation or pregnancy.  I don't know when or why it happened, but for some reason 'weight gain' became the blanket term for all of this stuff when that term ought to be something like 'expansion'.  And I can totally understand how it makes life annoying and frustrating at times when someone comes to view your art because it's labeled as weight gain, but they were seeking something outside of your intended scope, whether that be that they came looking for giant butts as opposed to giant bellies, or came looking for force-feeding instead of a girl stuffing her own self, or came looking for inflation instead of actual weight gain.

Granted, a good bit of these kinds of issues would sort themselves out if people would learn the simple rule of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything".  Especially where all the darn kink shamers are concerned.  You know what you like, and as long as that interest is not causing harm or putting people in danger, then don't let anyone make you feel ashamed for that interest.  Unless the thing you're into is something that truly hurts people - such as being turned on by rape or fantasizing about going on killing sprees or something - then you have no reason to let people try and walk all over you because you happen to be into something 'weird'.  And, of course, show the same respect to others.  If you don't like people shaming your kinks, don't go shaming anyone else's kinks.

Anyway, as I said, my vote is that it should be called the expansion community, which is what I call it.  That's really the most accurate single term to cover everything that fits into this community, be it weight gain, stuffing, force-feeding, inflation, water-ballooning, blueberry inflation, machine-feeding, pregnancy, vore - all of these things share the common element of being about a character getting bigger, or expanding.
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KipTeiTei|Student Digital Artist
That's a decent term I guess and I've seen it used a lot, but I think it's more associated with stuffing and especially inflation. bbw things seem to be their own thing but those are usually dumped along the wg community.

And yeah I'll write more about the kink shaming in part 3.
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Joe2727's avatar
Damn you’re such a good artist and on top of that such a smart leader of this community. Love it!
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