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So here's part 2. This is going to be 3(or more) parts all focusing on a different aspect.

This time I'm focusing on the definition of the community itself.

So most of the time, if you deal with any kind of fats you're considered to be in the 'weight gain community'. Now there are some fetish communities that border and sometimes coexist with the wg community, most notably inflation, pregnancy, and vore. They are somewhat related but clearly defined as their own communities. However, there doesn't exist a community for stuffing, belly play, public fatshaming, fat sex etc. It's all kind of lumped together and we call this whole thing the wg community.

The problem with this definition, is that I've realized that for a lot of people, weight gain is the only part of all these things that makes them tick, and likewise there are people who are into all kinds of fat related aspects of the fetish except the weight gain. Hence this kind of naming practice tends to create confusion and disappointment in a lot of people. There are lots of people for whom the girl going from x size to a bigger size is the deal breaker. It doesn't matter what size she is, as long as she gets BIGGER. There isn't a size too big because it's all about the progress of growing numbers. And unfortunately this is exactly what a 'wg community' implies. It's about weight gain.

Personally I'm more about the latter definition. I don't really care for weight gain that much, I can appreciate it of course but it's never EVER the defining part of what makes something hot for me. I'm kind of same when it comes to fat itself, I don't have attraction towards fat in itself, just the effect it has on making a belly bigger and rounder. I don't really care for bigger arms but I also don't mind them.

But I do love bellies. All sizes, really. I don't even consider myself a fat-fetishist, I'm pretty much just someone with a belly fetish. And fat has the effect of making bellies more pronounced so it kind of goes hand in hand. And once again, I love thick thighs and curvy girls in general, but it's not part of what defies the actual fetish for me. It's just very nice.

Of course this problem most often arises when discussing my comics. Sometimes when there's a steamy scene going on with lesbians kissing and fondling each other's bellies and you get that one guy who screams "WHERE IS THE WG???". And then there's that time when there is actual weight gain being portrayed by showing how clothes aren't fitting or something and the other guy chimes in "WHERE IS THE FORCE FEEDING?" and then when some girl is being called a fat pig for not fitting through the bathroom door, having gained so much weight, another guy comes in and yells "SO WHEN WILL THEY EAT AGAIN?"
It's like everyone has their idea of what the comic should be about, and they are kind of...right? Because we lump every fat-and-belly-related-thing into one big pile that's considered to be the same fetish.

But it isn't! 

Of course, I'm into most of the things mentioned so my comics naturally have lots of these, but it's not just about weight gain, and it's not just about force feeding either etc. It's about things I have experienced and enjoy, and I hope people who are into those things enjoy it too. But it's impossible to find a definition for what kind of comic I'm making if the only word we have is a "wg comic".
I'm not the only example of course. There are projects like games and visual novels and stories and others, where the characters can indeed be really fat, but they are not getting any fatter throughout the game. And as mentioned earlier, this can be a deal breaker for a lot of people.

So what should we call it then? I personally just say "fats community" when I'm talking about this whole thing, just like I did in the journal title. I think everyone is free to call it what they want, but lumping everything together under the context of weight gain is misleading and undesired. So I think we as a community should better define what we are talking about. Not just us artists as to not disappoint our audience, but also so we don't expect everything to always be exactly what WE want.

And also to kink shame less. Seriously, inflation and whatnot is just as fucked up as we are. More about that on part 3.



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HebiFuel Featured By Owner 9 hours ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Writer
I think part of the problem is that the "Fat Fetish" category is really just a group of very tightly overlapping fetishes.  That is to say, a lot of the things that are usually lumped as "fat fetishism" are actually a combination of another kind of fetish with one purely focused on fat.  I think there might be a core, fat-based fetish that holds them all together, but things like shaming, force-feeding, and squashing are sometimes considered a unique type of BDSM or at least carry such elements.  I'm going to try my hand at some conjecture here, maybe see if I can sort of develop a working dichotomy for that.

I don't think I'd even call "weight gain" a true fat fetish, actually.  See, the way I look at it is that a pure fat fetish is just a sexual fixation on fat, one that can take a lot of forms, hence why there's so many different types of fetishes involved.  Weight gain is actually more of a growth-based fetish, in my opinion, which is focused primarily around fat, body mass, and size.  This is probably why there's a sort of divide when weight gain sequences come-up, and what's behind the "it should've stopped at stage x" and "X character got too big" responses you see on occasion (or those who always ask for more): weight gain is well-regarded by many who have a fat fetish because, well, it's more fat.  Clearly, the weight gain fetishists enjoy it, but those whose fetishes are not weight-gain based are likely to still enjoy weight gain in general for a few reasons.  Firstly, it makes fat a more involved, prominent, and active part of the story or sequence, stimulating both fat-, size-, and weight-based fetishes—not all of which are based in growth.  Secondly, if you have a fat fetish, odds are the prospect of more fat is an appealing one (at least, up until a point, but we'll get to that).  Lastly, it increases the opportunities for recognition and stimulation of any other fetishes. 

Of course, there's a big problem with all of this, and I think this is where the disconnect comes from: different expressions and variations of fat fetishes have very, very different practices and end-games.  I've hit at these so far, but the prime physical expressions tend to be size, weight, fatness, and softness, and surely I'm missing a few.  There are also aspects of aesthetic and form, which also play a role.  What this means is, everybody's particular fetishes and preferences are going to leave them with a different "ideal," and weight gain is generally perceived as approaching that ideal, *except* when that ideal has already been reached, at which point further weight gain would actually start to move away from that ideal.  I'm not quite sure where it comes from, but I assume it's mainly drawn from form, proportions, and the shape.  For gain fetishists, though, the objective is completely different; instead of gaining weight mainly for particular results, I think WG fetishes seek weight gain for its own sake and see the results as the spoils.  This is why there's no defined upper-limit for them—they're just after the act of gaining.

Progress is a thing, of course, and improvement on a fetishized trait is always desirable, but I think I'm missing points on the connections, so I'll try to lay it out by describing my own set.  I don't think it's much of a leap for me to say I've got a fat fetish; I'm clearly quite fixated on it and aroused by fat and its softness, jiggle, etc.  I'm most aroused by bellies as the best place for said fat, followed closely by thighs.  Size is also a big deal for me, and situations that accentuate it (contrast against a slimmer character, particular angles or poses, and attempting certain actions) are exceptionally arousing as well.  That said, extreme proportions (disproportionately large hips or breasts), loss of human or human-esque form (for me, at least, that's when a character starts to resemble a mound of rolls more than they do a person), and difficulty living (impairment or loss of mobility) are all pretty big turn-offs for me, so getting past a certain size is usually a bad thing from my perspective. 

What I'm getting at is that there are a lot of different fetishes, kinks, and preferences in and among the "fats community."  I think I had something else I was going to say, but was pretty damn tired when I wrote this, got some sleep, woke-up, and have completely forgotten where I was going with this.  I guess more of a mechanical breakdown of how and why I think things overlap like they do, as well as what things bring different groups into conflict.
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BigBellyGirlsDrawing Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Honestly, I call the liking of fat people Adipophilia, the rest by their own name, and the whole the Belly Community. Everything from A to Z when it comes to round stomach.
Is that a better way to call it than WG community?
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lkj0987654321 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018
Yeah, in the end it's impossible to satisfy everyone. Things just get worse the more popular you are, probably, because people start to get upset if you don't cater to them.

> There are lots of people for whom the girl going from x size to a bigger size is the deal breaker. It doesn't matter what size she is, as long as she gets BIGGER. There isn't a size too big because it's all about the progress of growing numbers. And unfortunately this is exactly what a 'wg community' implies. It's about weight gain.

I have to admit, I am a person like this. Progression is big for me, and stories/comics that imply it tend to be my favourites. One can't help one's tastes. That said, I think people could stand to be a little more flexible. There's plenty of things to enjoy even in works that don't cater directly to your main kink. I read your comics for the cute girls, the fun interactions, the dialogue, and of course the stuffing/belly/fatshaming stuff as well. It doesn't need to be about my favourite thing in the world in order to be fun and enjoyable, and ultimately it's the artist's own enthusiasm that makes the final product worth reading.
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NotHere098 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018
Wise words.
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Meep64k Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm enjoying reading these thoughts, it's cool to hear an opinion like this sometimes
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ludde1994 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
Honestly I really like this , I have gotten so invested in this story and the characters not because of the subject of this 
I'm not too interested in that subject apart the fact that it's cute how they act 
I've been wanting to branch out with my drawing for the longest time , sometimes I want to give something like this a try 
Mostly a comic in general but maybe have a chubby character or something related to it in that comic with a mix of characters 
I started rambling alot sorry lul
My point being, the story comes first for me and your story is awesome <3
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2018  Student Digital Artist
It's really nice to hear that someone enjoys what I do even if they're not so much into the subject matter. So thanks!
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ludde1994 Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Artist
I think "neutral" is a good word ^^'
I'm into alot of things and accepting of alot of things, be it chubby or thin I find the characters cute most of the time if their personality is very fleshed out ^-^
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Qwasaur Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018  New Deviant
Started rambling a lot? HAVE YOU SEEN THE OTHER COMMENTS!?!
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ludde1994 Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Artist
O-oh its not a bad thing hehe~
I can easily get going as soon as i start so to speak~
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RRaffael Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I think it could be called "story-telling weight-gain". In comparison to other comics/mangas about fatties you actually tell a story in which the characters gain weight, struggle with that and develop other characteristics alongside their fat-related minds. It is more realistic than most of the wg-stories out there and thus way more long-lasting. BWS and NLB are just (more or less) ordinary people, without special talents or powers, besides the slightly over-the-top feeding capacity. But even that is kept down to a level you could think about as a human trait rather than some fantastic superhuman ability. 
If you look for other (long-lasting) comics about this, you're merely going to find any (at least I didn't). But those I've read so far had also good and quite interesting stories behind the whole wg, but they had something to it that cuts it off from being realistic. There we have IHHAT with some demonic cult hiding behind the feeder giving him extra-ordinary abilities (I'll ignore that it is about furry's at this point since it doesn't really matter to the story itself). The protagonist falls in love with her feeder and the food he serves her but keeps herself down to more or less normal levels with the stuffing. The results are quite appropriate to what she eats (like KTT's stories) and also the suffering from stuffing and overall wg is rather realistic. The downside of IHHAT is, that the interaction with normal people is almost nonexistent since the protagonist's friends and family either are feeders, too, or  just merely appearing in the story at all. On top of that almost the whole story takes place in one of the couple's houses so there is almost no influence by society.
Then there is Bad Maid, where we have a girl who has some extraordinary family-trait which allows her to eat extremely much (for a human). In this Story all the characters seem to have an increased stomach-capacity but the main character is just out of reach for others. She gains weight, quite less than she should with the given amount of food, and at some point she gets a food-flash (or something... idk how to call it) and becomes an insatiable eating-machine, which ends with her being sliced up at the hospital and getting everything fished out what she ate before. It is overall highly unrealistic, but even so it's quite long-lasting. In other scenarios or with other authors it would get out of hand way too quickly and the main character(s) grow so much, they become bigger than buildings or even the earth itself. Of course the surgeries help the story to maintain a reasonable level, even though it's way over the top. The story develops beyond the chapters (separated by the surgeries) and the interaction with the 'outside world' is quite high. 
And the last one I'd like to refer to is Eating Maid . It is a rather short story but I really like the setup and the way it handles the wg. It is (of these three) the most realistic story and even though the protagonist is in a mansion all the time and around the same people, it feels like something could happen (not in this century but that's the thing with maids). The wg isn't the main part of it but the way the protagonist deals with the overstuffing (which by the way is kept down to a quite human level). I just think that it is really good since it's frequent eating, then having trouble with the overstuffing, but everything just not extreme.

What I want to tell you Kip, is that you are the one who combines the (for me positive) aspects of those three and tell a story about stuffing at a reasonable rate, the effects on the protagonist's social life and personality and of course the weight gain itself. It's just the bit too (lewd?) to call it a ordinary comic, you're not too focused on satisfying the reader's fetishes. You're actually able to tell a quality story instead of just serving the fetish it contains all the time. It is what others call a wasted talent, but I think it's the opposite. The wg-scene is quite unique by being not too extraordinary or made up and you're (the) one to define (at least for me) what makes a good fetish-containing story.
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bcobcobco Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018
You can never please everyone ,but as a fan of the increase of size (and weight) i find your pacing as close to perfect as I've seen
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TurtleMill Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
w h a t  m a t e??????
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sozmate Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018
kink shaming is my kink
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Qwasaur Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  New Deviant
You know your right I agree to everything said in this journal. I thought I was the only one who didn't like fat but the actual belly itself. Glad to see I was wrong. I really enjoy the way you intertwine the fetish art with story and honestly I'm really not even watching for the fetish stuff any more but more so the story itself. (I mean really though I still watch for fetish stuff just I like the story aspect.) Also unlike most fetish artists you share how YOU feel about subject! Keep up the great work can't wait until the next page in NLB and part 3 of this. (You don't have to answer this if you don't want to) Are you a guy or a gal? I'm NOT assuming so I'm not saying you have to classify as either I just would like to know. Hopefully I didn't come off as creepy to you uhh anyway BYE!!!
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RRaffael Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
There's always more than one person having the same fetish. You shouldn't feel alone with your fetishes.
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coolhandmelvin Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Well said.
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AllFlabbedUp Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018
IMO, no one should expect "reason" in a fetish community.  Not to say that everyone in it is unreasonable, illogical, and ill-mannered; I've personally seen at least hundreds, if not more, that are not commenting stuff like "show belly" and "when feeding time?!?! grr angrey!!" and are instead either just commenting praise or constructive criticism.  It's just that a fetish is a purely emotional thing, and with heightened emotion comes lesser logic, and with less logic, you have lots of really... emotional, people.  To put it politely.  To put it rudely, deranged and deprived people who really don't care about much other than their own pleasure.

On the whole point of the fat fetish community basically being every related or near-related fetish lumped into one, I agree, and think that there should be a more notable difference between it.  I follow quite a few artists who upload art of theirs that comes from fat fetish art, and goes all the way to vore.  Furry seems to be casually accepted around here, too, which I find refreshingly odd on one hand, but unsettlingly strange on the other.  I dunno why it's unsettling to me, don't ask, I wouldn't have a proper answer :^)

Now on the Kinkshaming thing, I genuinely believe that if you're being public about your fetish, you're also susceptible to criticism on it.  At the same time, I believe that if you really think there is a reason as to why you have the fetish, you shouldn't really be ashamed of it.  Personally, I know why I have my fetish; the most attractive girls that I knew were all overweight, and a bunch of those flashy weight loss ads with the chubby/fat animated girls on them really did a number on 10-12 year old me.  I'm not proud of having it, and to be honest, I wish I never had it in the first place, because it's really messing with my own weight, but in the end, I have it, and I can't seem to do much to change that fact, so I'm not ashamed of it.  I can argue over why I have the fetish, and I can argue over the health benefits and losses of the fetish.

Having the fetish should make anyone with it aware that there is no healthy path, and that if they want to gain a surplus amount of weight, it will definitely end up being their demise.  That's part and parcel with the fetish.  A levelheaded individual with the fetish would favour their lives over the fetish, but know how to keep both in moderation.  It's at that point where, if you're arguing/debating with someone who is kinkshaming you, they would most definitely be in the wrong, and you would have the evidence to prove so.  However; and this may be controversial in this community, but I fully believe it: If you're throwing your entire life away to become an immobile person who is fully indulging in their fetish without a care for the people who may care about them, I believe kinkshaming might work as a sort of wake-up call, should it not be just "you are so fat lol! you like being fat lol dumb idiot!!!" and actual valid criticism.  Giving into your emotion of pleasure to that extent is just as bad as being a strict person who bases their entire life purely on reason and logic, who is as soulless as your 2nd grade teacher who's underpaid and sick of teaching 7 year old's what multiplication is.

Had I not been kinkshamed two years ago, I could've completely destroyed my life, not even having really begun it yet.  I'd be 200 pounds now, a total and utter disappointment to everyone I know, even the loser in the mirror, and my entire life would revolve around my stomach.  Even my friends (who are currently SELF-ADMITTED disappointments to everyone they know) would be validly disappointed in me.  Someone showed me the joys of being an enjoyable weight, and what I would lose out on were I to be fat, and I decided that it's not worth self-indulging on my pleasure; trading my enjoyment of life for enjoyment of sexual nature.

Now don't get me wrong: Bad kinkshaming IS BAD.  Everytime I see a post about the fetish in private Facebook groups I'm in, there are always at least 5 people saying "These could be your children", or "How far has society fallen", or "Total utter disappointments", or "Wastes of human space, kill them and feed an entire African village" etc.  I mean, it's REALLY VILE, and it's definitely wrong.  Unfortunately, there aren't many things you CAN do about these people; block 'em, mute 'em, or just ignoring 'em are your best options.  They come a dime a dozen, and their shitty opinions only validate their own false egos and shitty sense of pride.

I didn't choose to have a fat fetish, but if I really did have a choice to get rid of it now, I wouldn't do so.  It's become a strange and small part of me that makes up what it means to be me.  If I were to flick a switch to delete this side of me, it would be like turning off an entire emotion of mine.  I'd be lost, confused, conflicted, and sad.  But all of that applies to everyone who has the fetish, even the ones who are still conflicted over having it, and even to those who have gone way off the far end with it.  People shouldn't be ashamed of who they are.  I hate to say the meme, but It's god damn 2018.  Hell, almost 2019 now.  There are definitely things that people do that they SHOULD be ashamed of, but having a fetish is not one of them.

Of course, if your fetish involves the harming (physical, psychological, or emotional) of another person, then I would really try to tell you it's wrong, and that you should stop.  Even Fat Fetishists have this problem; some people try and manipulate their boyfriend or girlfriend into gaining weight for them just for pleasure, and it can become very abusive.  There will be bad apples in every single group of things, from thoughts, to ideas, to people.  The REAL problem, as well as the real- and only- solution, is knowing who and what the bad apples are, and avoiding them, focusing hard on not being coerced or influenced by them, and sticking to your true self.

Also, sorry, this was REALLY long.
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I think we can simplify and summarize.

1) Understand there is a difference between fantasy and reality with kinks.

2) Keep unhealthy/harmful kinks in fantasy.

3) Don't kinkshame, it's never good.
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KingPlunger Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018
ok
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Steelbeam Featured By Owner Edited Oct 12, 2018
I never really stopped to think about it before, but you're completely right.  I've encountered the issue before with finding 'weight gain' pictures that were actually something else, like inflation or pregnancy.  I don't know when or why it happened, but for some reason 'weight gain' became the blanket term for all of this stuff when that term ought to be something like 'expansion'.  And I can totally understand how it makes life annoying and frustrating at times when someone comes to view your art because it's labeled as weight gain, but they were seeking something outside of your intended scope, whether that be that they came looking for giant butts as opposed to giant bellies, or came looking for force-feeding instead of a girl stuffing her own self, or came looking for inflation instead of actual weight gain.

Granted, a good bit of these kinds of issues would sort themselves out if people would learn the simple rule of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything".  Especially where all the darn kink shamers are concerned.  You know what you like, and as long as that interest is not causing harm or putting people in danger, then don't let anyone make you feel ashamed for that interest.  Unless the thing you're into is something that truly hurts people - such as being turned on by rape or fantasizing about going on killing sprees or something - then you have no reason to let people try and walk all over you because you happen to be into something 'weird'.  And, of course, show the same respect to others.  If you don't like people shaming your kinks, don't go shaming anyone else's kinks.

Anyway, as I said, my vote is that it should be called the expansion community, which is what I call it.  That's really the most accurate single term to cover everything that fits into this community, be it weight gain, stuffing, force-feeding, inflation, water-ballooning, blueberry inflation, machine-feeding, pregnancy, vore - all of these things share the common element of being about a character getting bigger, or expanding.
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
That's a decent term I guess and I've seen it used a lot, but I think it's more associated with stuffing and especially inflation. bbw things seem to be their own thing but those are usually dumped along the wg community.

And yeah I'll write more about the kink shaming in part 3.
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Joe2727 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2018
Damn you’re such a good artist and on top of that such a smart leader of this community. Love it!
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Please don't call me a leader, soon enough someone will quote that as something I've personally said. But I'm glad to hear you like what I do~
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"call me a leader"
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
DESPAIR
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RRaffael Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
"I, the Lord of this scene, will hereby declare war to those who believe in the blasphemic ways of inflation"
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#falsequotes
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mr-theun Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I've already been calling it "the fattie community" for awhile now. Glad to see others are jumping on board. Also, the thing that has always set your comics apart to me is the story. I care just as much about the cute girls as I do what happens to them and it makes me wanna read more (and see more tummies!)
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Thanks! That's the reason I started drawing in the first place, I wanted there to be stories about belly stuff that has actual characters and context and not just "this girl likes to eat a lot and drives a car made out of donuts because she likes to eat so much"
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sonic3011 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018
I am glad you able do that with your No Lunch Break series. I been watching your work for over the years. Also relate to Thoughts about the Fats community Part 2 topic about you enjoying bellies get that same feeling and cant help it. I just hope that people can appericate your work and continue enjoying your story. Your comics i keep coming back to there just so satisfying to read. Keep up Amazing Kip



i can relate to this
But I do love bellies. All sizes, really. I don't even consider myself a fat-fetishist, I'm pretty much just someone with a belly fetish. And fat has the effect of making bellies more pronounced so it kind of goes hand in hand. And once again, I love thick thighs and curvy girls in general, but it's not part of what defies the actual fetish for me. It's just very nice. 
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puffington Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2018
oy. i concur about the whole "being into bellies more than fat" thing and often run into a lot of obstacles where any friends of mine in the "wg community" are into bigger, blobbier stuff. I just like food-based and belly-based kink ;^;

It can be frustrating the way we're haphazardly grouped together, similar to how people who are into orb bodied inflation and people who are into belly-focused inflation are lumped together. It's really unfortunate.
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Yeah that's a good example. From an outsider's perspective it might feel the same but the two are wildly different for the people who enjoy them.
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puffington Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018
Of course. I'm sure this goes for plenty of other kinks in the world, too
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Mirameika Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I find your observations of the “fats community” quite accurate.

I imagine it’s complicated to be an artist in a community that has lumped together such varied preferences for fats, but it’s also rewarding to find within that mix some fellow artists (or just admirers) who share your same taste for chubs and enjoy your interpretation of them.

As for a proper name, I like to call it fat fetish community, though you also raise a good point about fat in itself not necessarily being the “turn on” of some people in this community. I guess we can just call it fats community for now.

Regarding Part 1 of your journals, I’m also glad to see the increasing quality and quantity of content within the fats community, and I also agree it’s heading toward a brighter future. I hope more interesting and complex stories rise from this community in the near future.

Anyway, looking forward for part 3!
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Thanks! I do think the future is bright, but we should still strive to better it together. Also I don't feel like there needs to be an official name or anything since that's impossible, just that we acknowledge that even within our community people are into different things even if it's somewhat related.
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Firesoul10 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2018
I think I'm pretty lucky to be into a good number of the things that fall under the "WG" community umbrella. It makes it relatively easy to find things I like on sites like this one. 

My real problem is with those loudmouths in the comments that are never satisfied. 

I like to consider myself a pretty reasonable person (even though it's very debatable) and I make expectations based on what I see from an artist, not by what I assume they like and want them to do. 

EX: With you, Kip, I generally expect some medium-slow weight gain alongside lots of bellies and fatshame with a side of lesbian shenanigans. That's based on what you've done and what you seem to be currently making with NLB. Just like I wouldn't expect this kind of story from, say, Saxxxon. Because that's not their style, even if I like that too. 

And I also have the presence of mind to be able to understand storytelling and the idea that we might go without a thing for a long time- Syd and Tina haven't done a 'serious' thing since just after the Karaoke way back in the day.  While I'm definitely looking forward to the upcoming shenanigans, I wasn't going to go scream in the comments section when the "Sandy Arc" was happening. I also don't expect constant or consistent weight gain- since it's just a thing that accumulates as the story goes on when you write it. 

If I could get these people to understand one thing- keep your expectations reasonable and don't hassle an artist (who, remember, is posting this for you to view FOR FREE) just because their actions don't match up with said expectations.

Thanks for the chat again, Kip. Looking forward to seeing how the discussion develops in Part 3. =)
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Yes I wish more people would understand this. I try to keep it so there's always SOME hot things going on, but it's impossible to have a force feeding session or weight gain on every page. I respect your judgement and self-awareness as to not scream about it, it's something that many people are lacking. Thank you!
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Firesoul10 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018
No problem at all, Kip. Thanks for the bellies. =)
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miramiraclerun Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2018
I usually just use the term fat community too, not that I'm not into WG myself, but there's a huge difference in implications and scope. I think, if you ignore the social aspect, fat fetish is more of a body type preference than anything really, if you like pear shaped bodies, are you a pear fetishist? Are you a boob fetishist if you like big boobs, or conversely, small breasts? Doesn't that imply most people are fetishists because they prefer one type of body over the other? I'm not saying it isn't a fetish, it obviously is, but it's a lot milder than what is often implied by the term 'fetish'. The really fetishistic part of the community is more nested in the weight gain, scenarios (stuffing/eating/force feeding etc) and extreme sizes (immobility etc), which has less to do with the character's actual appearance and more to do with the fantasy surrounding it.

As far as fetish communities go, this is by far one of the better ones and I suggest anyone who doesn't think so to actually check out other fetish communities and see just how bad those can get, heck even compared to normal communities it isn't too bad really, you have some people who act obsessive and possessive but you find those in a lot of "outcast" communities often to a much greater degree, bronies, FNAF, Undertale, Stephen universe etc just to name a few.
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
True, fats community is definitely not the worst one but I don't think it's fair to compare it to a fandom community, since those tend to be way more extreme and fetish is a much broader interest than say, undertale which is only one game.

Also the belly fetish thing is interesting, because as far as people I've met and people who have written about it, having a fetish for boobs for example is a lot different than how your average guy feels about boobs. It's hard to define what makes something a fetish if it's a relatively 'normal' thing, but generally it's that you get sexual arousal from something not widely considered sexual. I think that dictionary definition is between a fetish and fixation, with the other being about a certain thing being necessary for sexual arousal.

For me, bellies are absolutely the number one thing that gets me going and I would not want to live without them, but they also aren't necessary in the sense that I can still also get excited from the things that regular people do.
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miramiraclerun Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018
Yeah I specifically picked those fandoms for comparison because I didn't want to name any fetish communities, the last thing we need is more infighting amongst fellow degenerates, but I think the comparison still works because niche communities tend to attract a certain kind of obsessive personality, everyone knows the type, the person that wants to see their very specific thing to the exclusion of everything else, and will be very defensive about it to the point of attacking others for not depicting their thing in the way they like.
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Ahh yeah I see what you mean now. I don't know why it is that niche communities tend to attract this kind of behaviour but it's true that the more niche it is the more obsessive people seem to get.
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AnomalousAntarctican Featured By Owner Edited Oct 11, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
I am not now nor will I ever indentify as a WG artist even if I have drawn it once or twice (DON'T LOOK FOR IT, ITS BURIED, I AIN'T MAKING MORE, DON'T WATCH ME IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE INTO), I am an inflation artist, an expansion artist, or more broadly just a fetish artist. One can place both Inflation and WG under the umbrella of expansion (which, the nomenclature can get nauseating if you try to list EVERY type, but to me includes WG, inflation, all different sources of belly/butt/breast expansion, and debatebly giantesses and muscle growth) but I am completely triggered by being placed in said neighboring, but entirely distinct category of WG, usually through people's fave folders or just ignorance.

It's like if you place photos of Spain in a folder called "Germany" instead of just calling it Europe, or properly putting it in its own category of Spain.


I don't really know why there is so much overlap between WG and inflation viewers when a 300 pound girl and 12 ton blueberry look nothing alike when the transformation is complete (I think WG fans are more into inflation than vice versa), but there are advantages and disadvantages of this that I've learned to deal with as someone into inflation and not WG (I watch you for the bellies). I think the best thing is when a really talented WG artist does throw us a bone and draw a blimp sometime (usually through a commission) it feels like huuuuuge treat to see someone I may have loved the art style of but not liked their content suddenly make something I can identify with, and by virtue of it being a one off thing, it can't get stale like it would eventually get if I watched someone like that for years.

The Worst aspects are deciding whether or not to watch someone who constantly switches unpredictably between WG/inflation or other expansion types and may quit one or the other (unless your name is Jeetdoh in which case I'll gladly wait through 200 WG pics for one inflation, as well as the normal art in between) and aspects of WG art encroaching into inflation and thereby ruining my enjoyment of what should be up my alley. although there are many subsets of inflation, pretty much when one of us says that word alone it's an abbreviation for full body, spherical inflation, so to see something that looks more like a bipedal hippo than a blimp under "inflation" is really disappointing.




and this comment is long enough already, but I suppose this is a good time as any to say I once drew Kip inflated for your birthday and actually made that seperate drawing of Kip bloated on the beach as a replacement because someone said you don't like inflation. I took that to mean like, you HATED inflation art and would have been offended but that's obviously not true is it? I've been wanting to unearth that thing for 4.5 years now.
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
It's actually really refreshing to hear this from someone on the 'other side' And I agree, weight gain and inflation are very different things and the overlap is almost comical at times. I'm personally like that, I'm mostly for the fat or stuffed bellies, but if it's air or water... ehh, I'm not complaining about a big belly. I can see it being more annoying the other way if you don't care for fat at ALL and just want to see skinny person expanded.

I have zero interest in spherical inflation or boob inflation or whatever myself, like I said I'm mostly into this whole thing because of the bellies, but obviously I don't HATE such things. (the only thing I hate is furry but more about that later) I've never been offended by fanart of any sort (except that one guy who posted my pictures and edited fart clouds and sounds on them but that doesn't count).
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Wow you hate furries?! ;_;

Not only does that instantly invalidate any anti-kink shaming message you have here, but:


In my experience the fat furry community has less that 1/100th of the kink shaming of the fat anime community. Even on fat roleplay sites, I actually came to avoid anime people--not because i dont like the art--because I found they have much more harshness and negativity in them and their ratio of trolls to good faith contributors is far higher.
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
It does exactly the opposite. Why would I kink shame anyone if I had no feelings whatsoever about it?

Everyone is free to like and dislike anything they want. The whole point is not giving someone hard time for it. I detest everything furry, I don't care about the community or whatever I just don't want nothing to do with any furry art or even see any furry pictures. But you never see me commenting on a furry artist's profile how their stuff is shit, or saying furries are degenerate and should not be allowed to exist. Furries have every right to their fetish and should not be judged for it, but I don't have to like them.
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"Detest" is quite far from "no feelings whatsoever".

You don't want to even see any furry pictures...does that mean that anyone who has an icon with a furry character should never post a comment on your page?

At the end of the day, if you go around saying "I hate/detest everything XYZ" then I think you invite people who come to you saying "I hate your ABC."

Either people should be civil/respectful (that's my view!) or not.

Another way to think about it:

Nobody can either choose or change their fetish preferences. It's not something which is a decision that can be criticized. It's like your gender or nationality.

What if I told you:

* I hate and detest everything about Transgender people. I never want to see them.

* I hate and detest everything about Polish people. I never want to see them.

Don't you agree those are hostile statments? A fetish is much easier to hide than being transgender, for instance, so it's not so intense, but still it's a big opportunity to be cruel or kind.

So I ask you: Be kind.
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KipTeiTei Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
That's absurd! Everyone has a right to feel whatever way they do. It's ok to hate trans-people or poles or whatever AS LONG as you don't cause them harm by direct or indirect means. That's literally what being accepting means. You live and let live even if you don't understand and/or approve of them.

Likewise, I deteste and loathe furries but like I said, I'm perfectly willing to let them be. I don't harass furries on their websites, I don't write degrading comments about them in my posts, I don't talk like I'm any better than those with a fetish for furries. But I do hate everything furry related. But no one actually has a problem with this because I have never openly made anyone feel bad about them being a furry.(except now?) But I have every right to strongly dislike something without "being mean". 
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LavenderSpectre Featured By Owner 6 days ago
Based on my experience, if you want to avoid "being mean" -- that is, unnecessarily upsetting other people -- it's best to put aside things like "hate" and instead merely "prefer" or "don't prefer."

Hate = kink shaming. So if you are going to engage in hate, then it doesn't make sense to be on your side in any argument against hate. I am against all forms of it.

The words used are important because, although, in an ideal world, no word would ever offend anyone, it's better to not use a word that is likely to upset others when there's no reason to make others upset.
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I have nothing against furries personally, but nearly 4/5th of the haters in the comment sections of my works are furries, now I don't think they represent the furry community or anything, but furries are vastly over-represented among the people who are openly hostile towards my works, and it's not just me, several artists I know experience the same.
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