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Am I the only one who can't figure stuff out around tumblr?

It's so hard to tell whether a post is the account holder's art or just reblogging... and how do you view comments (and not just reblog notes)?

No, I don't have an account there yet.
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SQEEEEEE Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you DO realize DA is technically by definition a blog?
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vilhelmina Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I have no idea how it works, either!
I've tried to understand it, but I just don't. xD

I've contemplated getting one since I found some of my art floating around there, posted by others... And it struck me that it would probably be better if I was the one posting them.

But yeah. Confusing!
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im-myke-guys Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's a little confusing at first but once you understand the flow of information, how to navigate yourself, when to use the dashboard or the notes or the actual blog page, and how to use the tools creatively, it's honestly a more intuitive and natural dynamic than anything else out there. For artists, especially, the way your work will naturally be spread amongst like-minded people (rather than them having to come to you), is really advantageous.
But yes, there's a massive problem with people not sourcing the art they post and right now there isn't any solution. People can add the source when they reblog it, but the original post will still be passed around uncredited /:
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 9, 2013   General Artist
Though "intuitive" seems to vary considerably from person to person. Years ago, I was working on a site layout with a couple friends of mine. We were sending dummy layout PSD files back and forth. One of them had such a bizarre way of handling her layers; it was so unintuitive to me that I had to just flatten the whole thing and work from there. She had to do the same with mine because my layers made no sense to her. @_@
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im-myke-guys Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
haha yeah, that's true. It's probably such a good fit for me because I'm already a scatterbrain who's used to keeping track of five things at once, and more traditional organisation feels suffocating
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 9, 2013   General Artist
the way your work will naturally be spread amongst like-minded people (rather than them having to come to you), is really advantageous

OH. Thank you for explaining that. The single most prominent benefit of tumblr over other sites that I've seen so far.

Though... the crediting issues and the anti-facilitation of discussions/ in-depth comments are huge turnoffs ;;
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im-myke-guys Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah it's something of a double-edged sword

That said, communication isn't really that difficult - if you want to make a serious, in-depth reply you reblog the piece and type out your say, and then they'll reblog you and so forth. Asks work like short private messages, and replies work just like comments here at dA. Fan mail I don't really understand at all, but I'm sure it's useful for something P:
Either way, having more options can't be a bad thing!
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Creatorsoul Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
I mostly migrated over to Tumblr (though not creatively, yet) was more due to being stuck there for other hilarities (*cough*Sherlock*cough*). Plus I've found the atmosphere of the people I follow to be much more gentler and understanding than what I've had on dA. And also that it's the only social network that my family has not infiltrated to keep tabs on me..................... <_<;;;

I've also heard from a lot of artists that I know in person that they mostly migrated due to some negative experience they have encountered on dA, in particular on interactions with fans or not-fans. They found the audience they get there to be definitely less vicious and trollish. That's very much a your-mileage-may-vary point though.

I agree with everything you've said. It's very much about share-rapidly-and-watch-it-spread-like-wildfire site. (I've learned to spam a little less now by using the queue option...But I still have a ridiculous amount of post queued as a result.) Discussion and electronic conversation is almost...improbable. Most questions that a viewer have are submitted using an ask function, which may or may not have anonymous options depending on the blogger's choice. Bloggers usually screenshot the message and reply to them by posting the screenshot, since that meant that "QnA" may then be shared. Straight up answering an ask makes them unable to be reblogged.

Conversation and discussion is kind of possible using the reblog function, but you have to actively track them yourself even if you follow the person and can see their reply. Even then, if the conversation is conducted between three or more-- Yeah good luck with that, or don't bother at all!

I would say if you want more people to just...look at your work/opinion/shenanigans, it's an awesome site. If you want a small and simple QnA going on side, still manageable. If you want full on discussions, eh....best avoid it unless you are very tumblr savvy or get creative.

Also, as a word of warning, tumblr has a lot of crediting the appropriate artist problems... It's a common frustration that has been expressed very frequently but have yet to be solved properly yet. There's a lot of personal vigilance that is required if you wish to share your artwork.
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Angelita255 Featured By Owner May 6, 2013
I have an account, but it's so hard for me to completly understand... haha...
Same here in deviantart... I suck at this things... you know, if I were able to understand I will help you...
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RalfMaximus Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Tumblr is not dA.

If you want feedback and social interaction on your own art, stick with dA.

If you want to drink from a firehose of awesome sensory overload, Tumblr's your Huckleberry.

It's like arguing the merits of a screwdriver over a hammer... personally I use both, and for different purposes. I've met some awesome folks on Tumblr and use email/chat to stay in touch since (as has been pointed out below many times) there's no real comment system there.

So, bottom line: alter your expectations for Tumblr and it becomes a fascinating tool every bit as powerful as dA. Just... different. :)
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 6, 2013   General Artist
That's what I've found out. And it ticks me off because a lot of people are migrating to tumblr, and I will never want what tumblr currently has to offer.
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RalfMaximus Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
If they're migrating that suggests a shift in what they want from social media, right? These particular people, I mean.

Less creation, more consumption. Quantity over quality.

And if they're important to you there is always a means to stay in touch. :)
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 6, 2013   General Artist
I guess with a good number of these people, it's not so much that they changed; they always wanted something closer to tumblr than to dA/ other sites, and tumblr just showed up to fill that pre-existing need.

To be honest, dA's not 100% perfect for what I want either, but it's the most popular among the ones I've found to be close enough.
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pseudolirium Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
haha im one of the ones who got sucked into tumblr!! i barely log into dA anymore in fact

but for someone like you who makes a lot of original artwork you prob want the comments, which tumblr has a not so good system of.

but for someone like me who mostly just reblogs pretty things, draws fanart so idc what people say about it, and can use the reply button on posts to talk to ppl i like, it's pretty ideal. :)

if you ever make one do let us know cuz i'll follow you right away!! i interact so much more w ppl on tumblr.
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 6, 2013   General Artist
My question is this: how can you interact more with others on tumblr when it's not made for discussions/ comments?
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pseudolirium Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
i use asks a lot; ive installed xkit which lets me ask someone straight from the dashboard questions and usually we have a good thing going back and forth.

but the other cool feature about tumblr is the Reply system. anytime someone makes a post, an ask post or photo post or whatever, and you've followed them for 2 weeks at least, you can click the reply button and reply directly to that post.

and they will see it in their notifications and usually reply to a group of replies in a new text post, so on and so forth. :D

it's just easier to stay on one page replying to WIPs and stuff or sending asks from the dashboard instead of opening up a whole deviation, commenting, going back to the inbox etc.
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 6, 2013   General Artist
Why do they even have the 2 week wait thing? So silly D:

...Yeah, looks like I'm gonna be staying away from tumblr until/unless they change some of those silly things.

What is the advantage of tumblr asks compared to something like a journal entry on dA?
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pseudolirium Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
haha it's better for you to stay off tumblr tbh, it's a timesuck. its function is just quick sharing anyway, not really about indepth stuff.

asks are usually quick stuff, and you can choose whether or not to privately reply to them or publish them onto your blog. it can be a nice way to create dialogue among your followers, esp because it shows up chronologically so nobody misses the development. whereas sometimes on journals a lot of people dont read other peoples' comments before commenting.

but journals are better for things long indepth conversations between you and one person instead of quips from you and one person and if you choose to share with lots of people. asks have a word limit afterall.
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 7, 2013   General Artist
Hmm... yeah, people skipping other people's comments is a bit of a problem on dA, huh...

Thanks for explaining all these things to me, BTW. :D I appreciate your help!
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pseudolirium Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
yep, it is a problem. i used to post journals encouraging discussion but i noticed the conversation just got stale because it was repetitive. and you couldn't see if your watchers were interacting in the comments anyway unless you check yourself.

pros and cons to everything of course. :)

and no problem at all! :D
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aquanut Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I really dislike the lack of a good commenting system on tumblr as well. Its fast pace also turns me off, but I suppose that depends on which blogs you follow. I have to admit that it has its perks once you get used to it--it's easier and more convenient to find and look at lots of images at a time--but I do still prefer dA. It does seem like nowadays it's worthwhile to have a tumblr on the side, though, if only because people will repost your art there anyway.

Perhaps it might help to make a non-art blog first and click around and reblog things to get a feel for using the site before you make an official account for art.
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RisingSunfish Featured By Owner May 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad I'm not the only one. Still prefer dA by a mile, and I'm disappointed at the number of wonderful artists who have moved permanently to Tumblr....
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 6, 2013   General Artist
Yeah. Do people not like comments and discussions anymore? >_>
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RisingSunfish Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Apparently not. Well, that's fine, but don't be surprised at the amount of passive-aggression that accompanies it... :/
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 6, 2013   General Artist
The internet culture's changing, and not in the direction of my liking. It's too bad.
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nightmaresky Featured By Owner May 5, 2013
It took me a little while to get use to the site. It's not so bad once you get use to it.

Usually an artist credits the artist site if they post someones artwork. If they don't just look at their post. If there are no comments on the drawing from that poster most likely it was someone else art that they just want to show off, but are too lazy to give credit. I don't watch these types of people.

However, I watch TONS of artist on DA and many of them just give me their tumblr. So I know the work I am watching is coming from that artist.

Tumblr is worth it if you want to show WIP and see what other artist art up to. If you would like a good starting base of good people to watch check out my tumblr. Click on a couple of the people I like to watch and see if they are artist you are interesting in watching.

You don't HAVE to watch people either. You can create a tumblr so your fans can see your WIP's. That's what I did, and eventually I started watching more and more people.
Take it slow. It's not like anything bad will happen if you try the website! XD
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 5, 2013   General Artist
I'm just really ticked off at tumblr because how impossible it is to have a good discussion there. If you just want to share, then it's a great option, but for what I want it sucks nasty stuff. :(
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nightmaresky Featured By Owner May 6, 2013
That's true discussions are not real the best there. What it sounds like is you may want to start a blog. You can discuss topics with those who watch you and you can chat with other artist... well if that respond that is. XD

Tumblr is great for me since I am lurk more on other site. I don't get into discussions unless I am on DA. XD
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theonlytoner Featured By Owner May 5, 2013
tumblr is not much of a social network as it is a place to post stuff. so it's kinda sucky for chatting and stuff because you are always bound by word limits. (unless you reblog and make it a text post) even i don't understand tumblr I just... tumblr I guess
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Saknika Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Professional Photographer
I've never figured it out myself really... And the "comment" system is crazy complicated.
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xiaa Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
Usually there's a "source: " on the post so you can find the person who posted it. As for if that person drew it or not, usually if you click the source: thing if their blog looks like it belongs to a artist, then they drew it. Otherwise they just reposted it without credit.

And comments, you just click on the notes and see if there are any. Most of the time people write their comments in their tags because they're shy and want to make discreet comments.

And it's really confusing until you actually use it I guess. It's more of a thing to keep up with what friends are in to / have drawn than a blog. I just follow friends, art blogs, art help blogs, and stuff.
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Demonhornz Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
I agree. Confusing stuff - also you need to actually do some liking and sharing before you can even have your posts seen on the tags. FAQs don't help much.
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endspire Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
hm... on the dashboard there's normally a link to the source of the post at the bottom, though it's really small. Though you will get a lot of people who just post other people's art. The more decent people will credit the actual artist, but some people don't bother :/
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Xiskii Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The best way to figure stuff out is by making an account. I've had one for a while and I tend to find it confusing, still.

You can't always tell whether the person posting art owns the art or is just posting something they found on Google. The only way you'll know is by looking through their blog and finding out if they're an artist and if it actually belongs to them.

Comments you can view through the notes. The notes is usually a set of numbers, click it and it'll load who all reblogged and commented. If you are allowed to comment on the piece posted [because sometimes you can't] there is a chat bubble or a camera. Click either/or to reply without having to reblog.

I've found [personally and idk why] that I can only comment on someone's post if I see it directly on my dashboard. Though.. if you follow a lot of people, and go directly to their blog to fav [the heart button] whatever they've posted, you can go to your liked page [it's on the right on the dashboard] and comment that way because it acts like the main dashboard page, showing you all the options you have available.
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DragonBoy387 Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Student Writer
i know the feeling. i tried tumblr, and thought: "how do i reply to comments?"

after some frustration, i kinda quit. sorry i don't have any helpful info, though. ;n;
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Darkheart-Vampire Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
[link]
here is a little thing I put together for you all.
The others have posted some really helpful info. =D
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Maiden-Chynna Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I struggle with tumblr too.
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Kirostyle Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
It's not very user-friendly, for sure. Took me forever to figure things out...

Usually, if you see the post on your account dashboard, in the bottom left corner, there's a link to the source unless 1) it is an original post, 2) they removed it, or 3) the source was never linked in the first place. But if you're looking at the post directly on someone's blog (since you don't have an account), it depends on their tumblr theme/layout. And most themes are just...really hard to navigate.

As for comments, tumblr doesn't have a "real" comment system. Reblog notes, in most cases = comments. When people want to message each other, they do it through the ask box and public posts. I really don't know why it's like that...
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 4, 2013   General Artist
I'm starting to think tumblr is actually pretty user friendly, but ONLY for the specific type of users it is intended for: quick hit-and-run share spammers.

Is there at least a way to see all the reblog notes on one page?
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Kirostyle Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
Yeah, I agree with you! Share spamming is kind of the root of Tumblr XD

As for all the reblog notes, usually if you go to the post's page itself, you'll see them at the bottom, but it varies with the person's tumblr theme- sometimes it might only show 50 at a time, or sometimes none at all. It really depends...
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fuegokid Featured By Owner May 4, 2013   Filmographer
You need an account for this:
All I know is if you click "posts" on the right hand side of your dash you will be linked to all your posts, people that reblogged you, liked a post ....and I think comments, but I don't have any comments on my posts so I can't tell...........but I think they will be there too considering they counts as notes on your post.
For asking/answering questions you will need your ask box open. You can have the settings to allow anonymous or not. You can reply in public or private (if I remember correctly). This function does not allow links.
"Fan mail" separate to ask box. Send message to a person, private only, links allowed.

If it's reblogged it with have the little reblog icon on it :3
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:bulletgreen: Reblog - has link to original source of image, crediting the right person, making tumblr happy
:bulletred: Repost - removed original source image, not crediting the right person/linking to the wrong person, making tumblr angry

If you want your own/someone's art on tumblr and it's already on deviant Art, simply use the tumblr icon on your "share this deviation" page. It fills out all the source info for you.
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MadMeeper Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Tumblr is confusing and it's very much a trial and error. I've found the only way to really understand it is to just make an account. :T

[link] thats a good guide to start off! Thats a more how to use rather than how do you tell what posts are what...

Again trial and error :T
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Eeni Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
it's horribly confusing... and don't even get started about leaving messages on people's posts/wall/stream.

There's a lil "recycling arrows" that are for reblogging and of course you can add your own comments.

When you upload a picture of yours, you can link it to a "source" (maybe your DA account here!). When you upload a picture, there is a lil cog on the upper right hand of the image, click on it and it has 3 fields you can put info into. I can't remember what they are, but one of them will say "source image/link" and that's the one that you put a link to wherever you want.

Now, to make this more confusing, on the bottom center (or left side) of the image uploaded there is a "URL" botton... Mostly you use this when you find something on the webs you would like to share. If it's an image you have to get the "image location" url and place it there in order for the pic to show up.

AND even more confusing and annoying as hell, if you add an image somwhere within the text of the post, the image (most probably) won't show up when people are just scrolling threw their dashboard. Or it might show up as a thumbnail... I still haven't figured this one out yet.

Hope that's of some help...
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AyaReiko Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Student General Artist
I dont get tumblr either it confuses me. XD
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keiiii Featured By Owner May 4, 2013   General Artist
Looks like I'm not the only one!
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AyaReiko Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Student General Artist
XD Yeah I have one but I still don't get it when I tried to customize it.
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SAmaryllis Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Tumblr has maybe the least helpful FAQ I have seen on the planet. Don't worry, it took me a while to figure out how Tumblr works.... -___-;;;

Usually you can only access a post's comments (the "replies") by clicking the number on a post, which is the same thing that leads you to the notes expansion; like was said before, some people also directly add their comments onto a post after reblogging the post. Many people also use the extension Missing E to reply to posts, but its performance has been iffy lately because Tumblr, instead of simply adding the feature for people to reply to each other's posts, is doing its best to block this "dangerous browser hack" (direct quotes from their FAQ......) and the many helpful features it provides. Otherwise, people send each other Asks or Fanmail or Submissions, which cannot specifically indicate posts. It's unfortunate, but the communication system on Tumblr is really poor. :c
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joycexoxo Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
if someone's reblogging it'll have the person's username, little arrow, and then the username who they reblogged from. you can click the source (if they provide it) at the bottom of the post. if it's their original post, it will just be the person's username
this is on the dashboard by the way, which is only accessible if you have an account. you only see people who you follow's posts on your dashboard (kind of like dA notices)
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Koto-wari Featured By Owner May 4, 2013
As Umbrielle mentioned before, comments is usually disqus only. Though I noticed that when you end a post with a "?", it allows people to "answer your question", which in a way commenting.
Most people comment by reblogging and adding their own text in the post itself or inside the tags. (The note should say "insertusernamehere reblogged insertyourposthere and added inserttexthere")
Usually reblogged art is credited as text underneath, or in the tags. I say usually because that doesn't always happen. I know it's a pretty big deal on tumblr with one side fighting for crediting properly and one telling the other side to shut the hell up.

It is a pretty confusing/overwhelming site at first, but the more you use it, the more straightforward it becomes.
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Umbrielle Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Student
For telling when someone's art is their own, usually they'll have a "tag" for the things that were drawn by them, or they'll have a Tumblr blog dedicated to the things they draw, and you can just assume that everything else is just a reblog.

Comments on a post need to be enabled by something like disqus, which not all tumblr blog layouts have. An example of a blog using disqus is Eschergirls [link] where you can view the comments made on a post by clicking 'Comments' underneath the post. Tumblr's not very intuitive for archiving any sort of discussion.
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