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So, Mania is getting catered to big time... Greeeeaaaat

I AM glad for Mighty and Ray's return, they always deserved another chance. But this news does nothing for me. I already hate Mania for practically enabling the Classic Extremists, now we're going to get mostly Classic content from now on -_-*

*Sigh* I'm just thankful that Modern will be staying. But the question is, how long to we have to wait for more Modern content? Is it going to be handled competently this time or will Modern continue being a laughingstock both in and out of the fanbase? And is Cream going to be in this one or will she be taking Might and Ray's place in the "retirement home"?

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SilverLion1999 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2018  Student Writer
To be fair, one of the kids did what Modern sonic to stay.
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KaoticKanine Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2018
Yeah, but that's still just ONE kid. Were any other fans worried about Modern's status or anything? 

I don't know, I just want the Modern side of Sonic to be celebrated and seen as on par with Classic, disregarding the poor games and decisions of the past. I want the characters especially to return and overall everything to be done justice, but SEGA keeps screwing up. And now, thanks to a bunch of Classic fanboys that are the "Mania Team", Modern will continue being in a rut as Classic hogs all the attention and focus from everyone. It's infuriating
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BlurryDawgo Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, and I love and care about Modern Sonic as much as you, but someone can't just magically flip a switch for that to happen, and history can't be whitewashed.

Short answer: it'll all work out for every version of Sonic eventually, relax, don't jump to conclusions, and don't let anger or fear trick you. And yes, I know about anger being one of your biggest emotions. I may not look it, but it's actually one of mine, too.

Long answer: even if Modern Sonic was able to produce high-quality games over a long period of time, I still doubt it would be as revered as Classic Sonic is, since that's the version of Sonic that most people remember from when it was at its most popular, negative stigma to the Modern games or not.

And in most of my conversations about Sonic to people IRL I actually had to give a lengthy explanation about said stigma, implying that the actual majority of Sonic fans (casual or otherwise) across the world probably aren't even aware about any fandom drama or hate—the Internet only gives so much information, after all, and some people just aren't interested in spending hours online talking about video games, and their technical and preferential (or cathartic) thoughts on them. They aren't "nerds" like we are.

Even if Classic Sonic is getting more attention at the moment, the Modern Sonic aesthetic has still been overtaking it for more than half of the franchise's entire history since the very inception of Sonic back in 1991. And besides, it's obvious by this point in time how much people still love Modern Sonic, even if they can't be seen 100% of the time. So if trudging through several years of Classic Sonic is what we need to ensure that SEGA can support other branches of the franchise such as Modern, so be it. If we want something from this franchise to fail—Classic, Modern or otherwise—everyone loses.

Plus, I heard Forces did well, so...yeah. Maybe SEGA should take their time on the next entry (by which I mean the actual game itself rather than just ideas or an engine, the production of Forces actually took place over 18 months) so that it doesn't mess up.

And trust me, I don't like Classic extremists, either. I once listened to a 2016 radio show interview with the developer of Sonic Utopia, and he rambled about how only kids like Modern Sonic but everyone likes Classic Sonic. He took his preferential "I simply don't like Modern Sonic" opinion and tried conveying it as a technical "this is why Classic Sonic is better" statement. No matter how much I agree or disagree with an opinion, seeing it come off like that always ticks me off, because, to give an analogy, the two nastier edges of an opinion horseshoe are always closer to each other than they are to the center. Say whatever you want about the Mania team, but at the very least, they left Modern Sonic itself alone. Tee Lopes is also kind of a Modern Sonic fan, too.

As for characters returning, that's an issue. It depends on the story of each game, and how many roles there are to play. Mario has a lot of characters, for one, but most of them only appear when needed to be, or when it doesn't detract from the greater story. Birdo and King Boo don't appear in every game and they're still beloved characters given enough respect. And just to make it clear, I don't think that Classic Sonic should have been in Forces. That's an easy example of certain characters being thrown in, with minimal benefits. We all know about your feelings regarding Cream, but there are people out there with the same feelings towards the Babylon Rogues, Charmy, Blaze, etc. What makes their feelings any less prominent than yours? It's still one of the franchise's biggest paradoxes, after all!

And why should the behavior of Classic extremists be the reason you hate Mania? Why should you let them be the reason you hate ManiaSteven Universe fans have harassed each other and even people outside their fandom, after all, so does that make Steven Universe worth hating? You have played the game itself or seen thorough playthroughs of it, right?

Plus, why should you even care what other people think? Some of them are just unreasonable jerks who can't and won't change their opinions, so...just stay away from them instead of giving them the satisfaction of having an impact on your life. And besides, SEGA and every other sane company is only going to listen to their most kind and constructive customers who actually act like contempt, civilized people. If they don't act like adults and instead like spoiled brats who go "OMG SEGA YOU FUCKING SUCK GIVE US HEROES 2", however, too bad for them.

...Spent a lot of time trying not to make this confrontational. Hope it wasn't.
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KaoticKanine Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018
Yes, and I love and care about Modern Sonic as much as you, but someone can't just magically flip a switch for that to happen, and history can't be whitewashed.

Short answer: it'll all work out for every version of Sonic eventually, relax, don't jump to conclusions, and don't let anger or fear trick you. And yes, I know about anger being one of your biggest emotions. I may not look it, but it's actually one of mine, too.

Long answer: even if Modern Sonic was able to produce high-quality games over a long period of time, I still doubt it would be as revered as Classic Sonic is, since that's the version of Sonic that most people remember from when it was at its most popular, negative stigma to the Modern games or not.

And in most of my conversations about Sonic to people IRL I actually had to give a lengthy explanation about said stigma, implying that the actual majority of Sonic fans (casual or otherwise) across the world probably aren't even aware about any fandom drama or hate—the Internet only gives so much information, after all, and some people just aren't interested in spending hours online talking about video games, and their technical and preferential (or cathartic) thoughts on them. They aren't "nerds" like we are.
 
Right, those are all good points ^^; You're correct, all will work out and I need to relax. And yes, I keep forgetting the "mainstream" folk don't have a stigma against Modern :XD: 

 Even if Classic Sonic is getting more attention at the moment, the Modern Sonic aesthetic has still been overtaking it for more than half of the franchise's entire history since the very inception of Sonic back in 1991. And besides, it's obvious by this point in time how much people still love Modern Sonic, even if they can't be seen 100% of the time. So if trudging through several years of Classic Sonic is what we need to ensure that SEGA can support other branches of the franchise such as Modern, so be it. If we want something from this franchise to fail—Classic, Modern or otherwise—everyone loses.

Plus, I heard Forces did well, so...yeah. Maybe SEGA should take their time on the next entry (by which I mean the actual game itself rather than just ideas or an engine, the production of Forces actually took place over 18 months) so that it doesn't mess up.
 
True, yeah, Modern had been utilized for more than half of Sonic's history. Thing is, the grand majority of Modern's entries are scrutinized and deemed "mediocre at best" with very few games being considered "great" while Classic is hailed as the "golden standard" for Sonic. Like, okay, it's undeniable the Classic titles are superior to the Modern games, but Modern has the potential to be on their level if not surpass them. I don't want the Classic side of Sonic to fail, I just want Modern to be done justice, but it's gonna be harder for that to happen if SEGA decides to shift major focus on Classic. Here's hoping the next Modern Sonic game accomplishes that... 

 Say whatever you want about the Mania team, but at the very least, they left Modern Sonic itself alone. Tee Lopes is also kind of a Modern Sonic fan, too.
 
Here's the actual thing about me and Mania team, though ^^; I'm "mad" at them not because they're Classic fans, but because they have the best potential to not only make a great Modern Sonic game but utilize the Modern cast in a way that redeems them to the critics. Be it 3D or 2D, I don't care, I just want a Sonic game taking place in the Adventure/Modern era that is truly on par with the Classics AND makes use of the long-ignored characters in the most ideal way. But we'll never get that because the actual game programmers only like the Classic era and Whitehead himself has even said he doesn't care for the extended cast, finding them unnecessary. So, put simply, Team Mania's talents are only for the Classic era and its characters, and that's what gets to me 

 As for characters returning, that's an issue. It depends on the story of each game, and how many roles there are to play. Mario has a lot of characters, for one, but most of them only appear when needed to be, or when it doesn't detract from the greater story. Birdo and King Boo don't appear in every game and they're still beloved characters given enough respect. And just to make it clear, I don't think that Classic Sonic should have been in Forces. That's an easy example of certain characters being thrown in, with minimal benefits. We all know about your feelings regarding Cream, but there are people out there with the same feelings towards the Babylon Rogues, Charmy, Blaze, etc. What makes their feelings any less prominent than yours? It's still one of the franchise's biggest paradoxes, after all!
 
I'm fully aware that there are many fans who have similar feelings to the other characters as my feelings for Cream. I'm not saying my feelings for Cream are superior or anything. I'm just most concerned about Cream because, of all the Modern cast, she's in most danger of being "retired" from the franchise. Blaze, though having been the least utilized of the Modern cast, is bar none the most popular non-main character, so she's safe. Silver? Also very popular, so he's safe. Team Dark are obviously not going anywhere anytime soon. Charmy himself may not be popular at all, but as a member of the popular and much requested Team Chaotix, SAFE! The Babylon Rogues are admittedly at severe risk of being retired, and I don't want that to happen at all, but then Jet and Wave were made playable for both versions of the latest Mario and Sonic Olympic Game, while Cream was only allowed to be playable in the 3DS version (i.e. the inferior one). Cream, on the other hand, has been frequently cited as one of the more unremarkable and disliked characters, often compared to Big the Cat (whom, coincidentally, Cream is often associated with in most material). The other characters have numerous, outspoken fans begging for their return. Cream, however, does not. I don't think I need to remind you that SEGA were VERY close to retiring Big the Cat for good because of how unpopular he was, and it's only because of Aaron Webber and being a meme in the fanbase that he's still around. Cream is practically in the same "unpopular boat" as Big, and she doesn't have anything to make her a meme to keep afloat, aside from her OPness in the games. I don't mean to brush off other people's feelings for their favored characters, the thing is Cream doesn't have nearly as much love as the other characters, and if SEGA decides to get rid of her for it... Well, that's it. No more Cream. I'll have to replay the Advance games and Heroes for the rest of my life, never to look forward to her appearing in future games... 

 And why should the behavior of Classic extremists be the reason you hate Mania? Why should you let them be the reason you hate ManiaSteven Universe fans have harassed each other and even people outside their fandom, after all, so does that make Steven Universe worth hating? You have played the game itself or seen thorough playthroughs of it, right?
 
The difference here is that Steven Universe preaches love, acceptance, and forgiveness and makes it clear that extremism of any kind is not good at all, so the "fans" who harass and antagonize people over SU clearly miss the point and in no way represent the show. Mania, on the other hand, has basically giving the Classic extremists exactly what they want; a Sonic game in the Classic era with Classic aesthetics, pixel graphics, just Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles only, no "shitty friends", and no green eyes. I know that's not what Mania set out to do, it's just supposed to be a love-letter and tribute to the Classic games, but nonetheless it gave those assholes something to rub in our faces :X "Haha, you see?! Only a Sonic game with no shitty friends, no green eyes, and no talking can be good! Classic does no wrong and Modern does no right"! I'm TRYING to appreciate Mania as just a high-quality Sonic game, I even bought the game via Humble Bundle and planned to play it! But I just can't overlook how it's pretty much designed to appease the people who shouldn't be appeased at all. I can't deny, I'm also just sick and tired of the huge pushing Classic has been getting as of late and endless gushing they all receive -_-* 80% of Arron Webber's posts are about Classic Sonic or use his image, the "Sonic: Mega Drive" comics, 2016 as a whole was predominantly Classic oriented with few Modern, then we got Sonic Mania, now we're getting "Sonic Mania Plus" and "Sonic Mania Adventures", and I just know SEGA will be pushing Classic *even more* going onward. I know, Classic fans had to deal with the same thing for a long time in the opposite sense, but at least they could get satisfaction from Modern Sonic being more-or-less disliked and unpopular compared to Classic and the mainstream critics are on their side. Modern fans like myself, on the other hand, have to accept that Modern is inferior to Classic and don't have any professional reviewers on our side... 

 Plus, why should you even care what other people think? Some of them are just unreasonable jerks who can't and won't change their opinions, so...just stay away from them instead of giving them the satisfaction of having an impact on your life. And besides, SEGA and every other sane company is only going to listen to their most kind and constructive customers who actually act like contempt, civilized people. If they don't act like adults and instead like spoiled brats who go "OMG SEGA YOU FUCKING SUCK GIVE US HEROES 2", however, too bad for them.
 
Honestly, the only thing I can say is that I'm "thin skinned" T_T I'm just one of those people who are easily offended and enraged, and I just struggle to ignore things that provoke me. Personally, I blame genetics; my father is practically the same way, and unfortunately I've already inherited his many other negative qualities... 

 ...Spent a lot of time trying not to make this confrontational. Hope it wasn't.
 
I'm inclined to say that you were being rather confrontational when it came to the characters and why I hate Mania, but whatever. You said the things that needed to be said and I thank you for that. I'd sooner be met with brutal honesty than comforting lies
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BlurryDawgo Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks, I really appreciate that.

"Do no harm, take no shit." That's how I want to live.
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KaoticKanine Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018
That's how I'd like to live too, now :XD: Now if only it was possible to remove my father's negative traits from myself T_T
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BlurryDawgo Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Honestly, I think I inherited angry genes from my own dad, too.

But I worked with alpha/beta/gamma radiation today, so I might mutate into a positive ninja rat.
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