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A Plan of Action, archived

Mon Aug 1, 2005, 1:42 AM
PLEASE read the best boil-down yet: An Open Letter to Stressed Admins

An updated iteration/rant/strategy is in the more recent journal here.

Below is preserved for historical purposes, from before spyed finally spoke up. (First reaction to his first reaction is here.)


7/31 update:

You guys are amazing, I'm so impressed with the soul of this community.

Let's boil it down. It seems our founder was overthrown in a underhanded takeover. One that reflects no attempt at ethics.

Why do we fight? Because we can imagine how it would feel if it happened to us, if five years of our own blood, sweat, and dreams were yanked away from us so that someone else could make some money.

Because we would want someone to fight for us. It really is that simple.

What do we expect? Well, an explanation at least. The silence is damning.

Now, here's the thing. This fight is gonna get long and boring. We probably won't get even a nod until the fifth birthday, when some "glorious" announcement is made about the new state of affairs.

But, if you're behind the statement we're making - a clamor for justice and respect for jark - find ways not to be bored. Chase down those friends of yours who aren't on board yet, and see if they're keen to join too. Let's paint this site yellow, literally and metaphorically, as creatively as we can.

And, aside from that, make deviantART as unappetizing morsel as possible (short of destructive actions), if it's due to be gobbled up. A grimace of discontent. :|

And if a week from now, the deviantART we know and love comes to a spiritual end, we can all remember this profound community statement we've all been proud of.

What do I, personally, want?

Well, I want jark to be happy. Or at least pleased. Or at a bare minimum, satisfied with the conclusion of this ugly chapter.

I will depend on his feelings before making long-term decisions of my own.

But I will NOT remain part of a site built on his blood, sweat, and dreams, in which the man himself was thrown overboard when they didn't "need" him anymore. Not without him getting the respect he deserves. And by his standard, not mine.

But that's my call, my decision, for myself, and I'd make it for none of you.

(And, it's worth noting, it will be a TOTAL pain-in-my-ass to leave here. But justice should never be tempered by convenience.)

But for now, we can't decide anything, until the administration shows its colors...

And we see how Scott is treated in the end.

But we do NOT allow the commandeers of this site, to enjoy "business as usual" in the meantime.

"Business as usual," is clearly the enemy now.

:|

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The (more-or-less original 7/30) long version:

Okay, I've been simmering and stewing...

(And, incidentally, blowing off very important affairs in my own life...)

I have never encouraged collective discontent or uprising at this site, over any issue, at any time when others were itching for destructive hostility to this site.  But the atrocity toward jark, and the administrative silence in response, is simply too unacceptable to abide.

So here's what I've got, the only rational plan I can come up with, that might possibly work.

First, what's the problem?

The founder of this site was sacked without notice or respect.   (In fact, during a recent face-to-face meeting at the Summit, nothing was even said about it, despite such a golden opportunity for the weasel to act like a MAN.)

Regardless of the wisdom of sacking the founder, the conduct itself reflects a poisonous lack of integrity at the top levels of our administration.  (If necessary, read my moral assessment here.  And euphoria's latest journal is telling too.)

There has been no communication to the community regarding this deplorable conduct.  Not even spin, let alone honesty.

But here's the real problem:

That the agent feels surely he will get away with this.

That is, he can pretty much assume or count on 99% of deviants to go on their merry way, too addicted to this site to take any meaningful stand over it.

He can pretty much count on "business as usual" in the big picture, both at the moment and over time.

He can believe that, sooner or later, this whole mess will simply blow over, largely because DA is such an irreplacable experience with such inertia of motion that it will barrel forward, as it always has.

Left on its own, that premise is true.

So we've got to attack exactly that premise.

But not in a way that will destroy the site or the dream in the long term.  Because that's really the last thing that any of us want.

So here's the best strategy I can come up with.

Let's make this site about nothing but integrity, and taking a stand on its behalf.

First and most important, stop submitting art.  Unless that art concerns the issue at hand.  I would also suggest hiding all your art, but how you handle that is your call.  (I personally don't believe in deleting art, but hiding it is non-destructive.  Use my.deviantart.com/gallery/ to batch it all away.)

And if you're burning to post new art, find a way to make it relevant.  (Shoot, you'll end up with extra attention for riding the wave, so you could even consider it "enlightened self-interest.")

Second, stop commenting art, unless that art concerns the issue at hand.

Third, stop posting journals, unless they concern the issue at hand.  Consider posting a simple journal that says merely "Grinding to a Halt Until jark Gets the Respect That He Deserves," if you've nothing more complex to offer than that.

Fourth, stop any public communication, unless it concerns the issue at hand.  We're all addicted to our social lives here, but let's take it into Notes.

Fifth, minimize viewing of art, to slow down the view counts and statistical progress of the site (as well as ad revenues).

Sixth, make sure your current Favorite reflects the issue, by picking a piece that's concerned with it.  In fact, fave as many relevant pieces as possible, to push them up into the DTFs.

Seventh, if you are an administrator who doesn't believe in this crap either, I'd suggest minimizing your administrative functions.  Am I out of line to suggest that?  Quite possibly.  But each administrator should strive to express their indignation as best they can, even if only by passivity.

And eighth, though I have no desire to pimp myself, link this journal if you please.  Or, hell, copy it into your own if you please.  (If so, take care to preserve the links, there are only a couple.  Note me for a copy that preserves the proper bolding and italics.)

In effect, you see, we're "taking all the fun out of DeviantART."  But without doing anything that's long-term destructive.

But here's the critical plank of the plan, without with none of the above will really make a difference.

We MUST not spam pages, for a host of reasons.

But we must personally spread the word, to people we know, in an attempt to grind this site to a halt.</i>  I would suggest Noting, and just generally keeping our eyes open for people who are blowing this off.

Obviously, most of us here are brimming over with social energy - that's why we spend so much time here.  Let's put that social energy to good use.

For instance, if an artist we know and like is continuing to post art, let's note them and say, "Hey, could you please lay off for the time being, until jark is treated with the respect he deserves?"

(It's worth noting that he reportedly hasn't even been given an explanation for what's happened.)

It should be as easy to track and pursue as our DevWatches, looking for new work that's continuing to be posted.

I am not suggesting that we hassle strangers, but rather that we pursue the degrees of separation that unite us all.  Let's each deal individually with people we respect, and people who respect each of us.  Because respect is exactly so much the issue here.

If we do not stand up for integrity, we have none.

And to those who say, "why bother?"

We say, "if integrity and decency are not worth fighting for, then what is?"

Not by destruction, but simply by profoundly passive resistance, and the persistent grimace of discontent.

Not even by leaving, but simply by saying, plainly and impossibly to ignore, "we don't like it here anymore."

Until it once again becomes a place that we do.

A place we can be proud of.

Because, right now, we can't.

This doesn't even have to be about love for Scott.  You might not even know him personally.  But it's about decency, conduct, and respect for the man who envisioned this site, and made every sacrifice necessary to make it come true.

So here's the real challenge.

Could we grind this site to a halt by DA's fifth birthday, on August 7?

That sounds to me like a milestone worth striving for.

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Addendum: onestar's movement has been gaining traction too, and I don't think it's inconsistent with above. Also, krash's plan to post yellow art on the birthday and make clear why you're doing it, in effect making this site "about" the atrocity, is a fine contribution as well.

On the other hand, I'm suggesting we start grinding the site to a halt, otherwise, as soon as possible, and spreading the word as actively as possible, short of spamming.

And that the "halt" should continue until jark is shown the respect he deserves, as long as that takes.

But wanted to be clear, my vision above doesn't have to be exclusive to work. The important thing is to get as many people as possible on board. :nod:

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smolderingashtray Featured By Owner May 19, 2007   Writer
The clock is still ticking. Amazing! Did every one just go home?
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friday6700 Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2005
all i can say to this is, if jark put himself in a position that would get him overthrown, that's his fault. he should have covered his bases.
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Caterfree10 Featured By Owner May 11, 2006
Konichiiwa!

Thing is, as far as I know, jark-sama didn't DO anything to get overthrown. He was just trying to keep this place a community before the current jackasses came along and kicked him out without explanation. I just want jark-sama back in his place and dA to be less about business and more about the community like it was originally.

Ja Ne! ^_~
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ferretallica Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2005
Since a major cause of all of this is pure greed and money-hungering my suggestion is intentionally bombard the Google Ad links as much as you can. Google's affiliate program is very touchy when it comes to doctoring clicks and I doubt it would take much to have DA's program suspended at the very least.

Not something I'd personally support naturally, but it seems like the most logical course of action given the catalyst of the said events and the nature of your grievances.
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2005   Photographer
Yeah, I've considered more "violent" strategies like that, but dismissed them. Have never wanted to pursue a "scorched earth" policy, and also don't want to turn passive/neutral people against what we're trying to do. :)

Good thinking, though, that specific tactic had never crossed my mind. :eyes:
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exeras Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2005
Can we say "OCD"? If I didn't know any better i'd think that Jark is your life-I'd think that Jark is the meaning of art. Without Jark, art wouldn't exitst. Every cereal box should have Jark's face on it! Because Jark is the ART GOD! He should be EVERYWHERE! Art is not Art unless it portrays the almighty JARK OF OZ! In fact, i think I hear Jark's theme song playing in the background! I mean seriously! I had my jark breakfast cereal today, and now i'm all Jarked up for the day! I LOVE JARK! I want to MARRY JARK! Every day I praise my jark cutout because Jark is GOD! And is ALMIGHTY! Wihtout Jark i will cease to draw FOREVER! To do art is to betray him! UNLESS IT'S JARKIFIED! OMG I'm a sinner and am going to hell because I drew a flower that's purple and not yellow and about Jark! AAHHHH!!!


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I think we all have some issues here.

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Maybe you should see a psychiatrist.
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2005   Photographer
Dang! I wish you were on our side! You sure know how to drive home a point! :nod:

Look, if you don't agree with me, that's cool. But here's my thinking: If someone treats me like shit, I'd like my friends to stand up for me. Since jark's pretty much responsible for this whole playground we enjoy, my attitude is that we should treat him like we'd like to be treated ourselves, with respect and an urgent need to investigate.

Does that make any sense, at all, even if you don't agree with the conclusions? :?
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exeras Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2005
Well it's Jark and the other admins i'd say...or else DA would have collapsed when he was kicked off.

The thing is...think about it: If something really truly rotten happened, Jark would have Spyed's ass in the courts by now. And we never did get a REAL explanation, did we? I don't think anyone but the two involved would really know the whole story...and I think everyone else is getting too hyped up. I mean..."community" is about "people"...not the people who run things. It's our choice whether or not to make it a community. I think this Jark issue is blown WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much out of proportion. WHat really bugs me even more, is that not six months ago, Jark was known around as a real bastard...and now Jark means Freedom? I think not!

And like I said there must be SOME VALID REASON that Jark was sacked, right? People are making too big of a fuss about what they know little of. ^^; It just really bugs me is all. And especially your "plan of action". This community is about the freedom to post, yeah? What if someone creates a great work but is unable to post it "because it is unrelated to the issue?" Same with journals...etc. Plus, Even if we do riot, what exactly will it achieve? I don't think anybody's going to change their mind based on the DA users. I mean...new people sign up every day, subscriptions are bought everyday, etc etc etc. Meh, I just don't get this whole deal ^^;
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2005   Photographer
Cool, in the sense that I appreciate you thinking aloud. One thing to keep in mind, too, is that you're commenting on something I wrote two weeks ago, when we knew a LOT less than we've learned since.

One thing we were reacting to was an attempt to "brush the whole Jark thing under the carpet" - we didn't think that was reasonable, that it was suspicious, and wanted to fight that strongly. "Standing up for someone like we'd want ourselves," like I said. Like you said, "it's about people," and Scott is, relatively speaking, a very important person.

The problem about the courts is that they'll happen, but they'll take a long time. Our feeling was that if something really dastardly has gone on (as opposed to "a good reason"), we shouldn't just tra-la-la and ignore the possibility.

Furthermore, rather than prove meaningless, the stubborn persistence of a concerned community has got the admins talking to us in ways they weren't before. Some of the battle was for respect for Jark, much of it too has been for respect for our own feelings and concerns. And, fortunately, we're finally starting to get that.

Short answer? We don't want to be sheep, and we don't want this site to become something as indifferent as MySpace. The people here should matter to the business that runs this place, as they always have, and we're asserting that importance again, rather than let it fade away.

:thumbsup:
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exeras Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2005
Can we say "OCD"? If I didn't know any better i'd think that Jark is your life-I'd think that Jark is the meaning of art. Without Jark, art wouldn't exitst. Every cereal box should have Jark's face on it! Because Jark is the ART GOD! He should be EVERYWHERE! Art is not Art unless it portrays the almighty JARK OF OZ! In fact, i think I hear Jark's theme song playing in the background! I mean seriously! I had my jark breakfast cereal today, and now i'm all Jarked up for the day! I LOVE JARK! I want to MARRY JARK! Every day I praise my jark cutout because Jark is GOD! And is ALMIGHTY! Wihtout Jark i will cease to draw FOREVER! To do art is to betray him! UNLESS IT'S JARKIFIED! OMG I'm a sinner and am going to hell because I drew a flower that's purple and not yellow and about Jark! AAHHHH!!!


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I think we all have some issues here.

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Maybe you should see a psychiatrist.
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riftfusion Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2005
I was gone for awhile and appauled to see this. Jark was always the kind of guy who would always take time to thank you for comments. Always fostering the sense of community here. Didnt matter who you were. I am on board for this 100%. It is a scandal and a travesty that such things have transpired. Count me in.
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anubiskitten Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2005
This is nice and all, but do you realy think the staff will care? Maybe they might act like they care, but its logical that they want their share of cash... Personally i doubt it'll do anything. MY oppinion.
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2005   Photographer
Yeah, actually, I DO think they care more than they're given credit for, in the sense that this place is their lives too, in some ways even more than ours. But I think they've kept up a certain face, rather than risk losing any, and we'd like to reverse that dynamic. That is, to show how respect for our position will amount to saving face for them.
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anubiskitten Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2005
True, but i guess its not alot that we can do. We can pout and say how much we dont like what they are doing, but in the end it is for them to decide what to do, which i mind quite sad. Do you think they'll bring Jark back?
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2005   Photographer
I've never been part of the "bring him back" movement, personally, cause that's almost certainly unrealistic. What's I've felt should be realistic is that Company show him the respect he deserves, acknowledge his importance to all of us. So that's the case I've been pressing.
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anubiskitten Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2005
Well, in that case i must agree. I realy think its useless for the people to try and get Jark back since thats more than lickly impossible. But hey, thanks alot for sharing your oppinion with us and thanks for the wonderful chat :) Have a great day there!
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Faraith Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2005
Oh - Hi - btw!

:giggle: - :wave:
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Faraith Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2005
I got this - sorry for the word - random post in my account from you. ^^;

You said about fighting for the right cause and to become yellow :D ... and to be honest I did not understand what you were all about... :)

:O_o: - what are you saying?
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catallus Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2005   Writer
I'm posting this here because you have lots of pageviews
Maybe in 12 months time a new owner will appear - I wonder what all those people saying "I think we should stay to support the community" will say then? Especially when their furry 'love' art work is deemed 'unfamily'

Please - cut n paste as wide as you want


Murdoch vows to dominate internet
By Mark Coultan
August 11, 2005 - 12:11PM

Rupert Murdoch has announced his intention to dominate the internet the way he dominates newspapers in Australia, and traditional media around the world.

Having recently bought MySpace.com, which he describes as a place "where people put their lives online", News Corp now has 50 million people visiting its websites.

MySpace.com has 24 million of these, which he said was growing at 100,000 people a day, "without any promotion".

Mr Murdoch has recently announced he is bringing all his internet ventures into one division called Fox Interactive Media.

Not all of his newest customers are happy with Fox's plans.

The wire service Associated Press last week reported that some MySpace users "fear" Mr Murdoch's influence.

"There are a lot of counterculture people on MySpace," Scott Swiecki, 34, a member of the MySpace group Faux News told AP. "My concern is Fox will add fees and censor content."

After the sale was announced, some MySpace members added a profile for Mr Murdoch - straight, married, 74 - which says he has joined the site for "networking" and lists his occupation as "world domination".

Today, during a press conference to announce News Corp's annual results, Mr Murdoch said there was "no greater priority for the company today than to meaningfully and profitably expand our internet presence".

Mr Murdoch, who has spent his life building a worldwide media empire, said that with strategic acquisitions "we can very quickly become the major player in this industry".

"News Corp, at its core, is about content. The web, at its core, is about personal choice. What we are aiming to do is to combine the two.

"Our leadership in news, sports and entertainment programming will give access to the best content available, and with the acquisition and development of a full array of web tools, whether it be more advanced search, email, customisation, accessibility, even voice communication, News will be able to personalise your experience to take advantage of the vastness of the internet as a whole."

He said he was in negotiations to buy an internet search engine, although he said he did not see News Corp in competition with Google.

He attempted to downplay the split with his eldest son Lachlan, who walked out of the company two weeks ago in an apparent falling out with his father.

Referring to media reports that the source of disagreement was an attempt by him to include his two youngest children by third wife, Wendi Deng, into the family trust, he said: "I don't think you are very wise to be listening to loose lipped divorce lawyers."

The company reported a record profit of US$3.6 billion, an increase of 22 per cent for the year.
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ferretallica Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005
PS althought I said I didn't particularly like Jark, I certainly had NOTHING against him. SpyEd on the other hand... I'm still annoyed over that "blue pill/red pill" spam that sat on my page for ages grr...
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ferretallica Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005
I have no personal liking of Jark but on hearing what has happened I have full sympathy for their plight.

[link]

I hate online journals but I've decided to make an entry in mine regarding this so hopefully anyone that views my page will realise what's going on too, since to be honest it was by pure accident I clicked the wrong thing and found out about all this.
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2005   Photographer
That latter point is trippy. :o

Glad you're on-board, keep an eye open for updates later tonight. :)
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alfakim Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005
sorry.. did this happen?
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005   Photographer
It's been iterated and retooled since it was written, but yes, in the sense that we helped turned this site upside-down for a week, and made sure that Scott's dismissal became known site-wide.

We're still fighting the good fight! :)
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alfakim Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005
so.. how's progress, how do i join, and what's actually happening?
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005   Photographer
I'm attempting to keep soldiering forward - keep an eye on my journals for an update tonight, and a major new strategy tomorrow.

Glad you're in the loop now! :)
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ZaneSama Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2005
I'm really conflicted right now. I miss the community. Can I bring back my gallery, or is thta hypocrytical and extremely unhelpful? I've minimized my viewing, and i intend to include yellow in all future posts.

Is it bad to want to post?
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005   Photographer
It's understandable. Last night, I was gonna write you a "go ahead" message, but there's a new plan in motion, and I'd suggest sitting tight for another day or two, if you want.

People like you who are holding the line are definitely helping make a difference, don't doubt that. But if you feel a little need to indulge yourself, I wouldn't judge you for that. :)

Keep an eye out for a major update from me, probably tomorrow. :nod:
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ZaneSama Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2005
Thank you very much. That does a huge help to my guilt. And I'll look for that. ^-^

Personally, I'm gonna start watermarking everything i post with a DA symbol, and a Jark head.
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syzzlechicka1013 Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2005   Writer
I know you've got a ton of comments on this journal, but with any luck you're still reading new ones and will take a moment to help an incredibly confused deviant.

First of all, I am one of the "younger deviants who are completely oblivious to this whole thing" mentioned above by ~prothisis911. Luckily, I'm in contact with a lot of deviants who do know about this. I'd like to be involved.

I've linked from page to page, but all I have gotten is that jark, one of the cofounders of dA has been sacked without an explaination to the public. Which is leading to the yellow deviations and POA here. I think I've missed a crucial link in what's making everyone so angry ((perhaps the length of time I've been on the site, and therefore loyalty.)) I'm not sure what to ask for, besides some sort of explaination if you can offer it.

I'm terribly sorry to be asking you with all the other things you must be working on right now. But if you find some time to help... it would be greatly appriciated.

And in the site's benefit... I watch some 40 "young" deviants, all as oblivious as myself... and they're each in contact with a minimum of thirty other deviants or more. With a bit of luck, I think I can pass this on to a group that's been generally unnoticed in this plan.

Thanks again.

--Sydney
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2005   Photographer
Hey, of course I'll be glad to help. Check out my journal's Shoutboard for links, and then come back to me with any more specific questions. There's a big pool of information at *killjoy's page that's terribly helpful, especially the "How this all happened/started?" bundle up at the top.

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Shahtrughna Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2005
hmmm.....interesting milestone to strive for
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FuzzChile Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2005
:thumbsup: Right On:!::arc:
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seifer-sama Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
Anything I can do to help I will. I find this whole thing appauling and am shocked to hear it happen to someone who is so dedicated to this site. I am with you all the way.
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TwoFistedPencil Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2005
I admire your sentiments, but may I say that your advice for the DA coup is a bit on the soft side?

Being polite & civilized about it won't stop spyed or any of those working with him. If I were an admin, I'd get as many other admins behind me as I could & disrupt everything in DA. Functions would grind to a halt. You have some power, thorne--use it! Why worry about destroying DA? Spyed is destroying it already by his changes here; I've read some mutterings from a few members about leaving DA & forming their own art communities & I'm seriously thinking about leaving too. You may not want war, but the war has already started. The only choice for you to make now is A) do you want to get involved & B) if yes, which side will you fight for? Obviously you're on Jark's side, which is good. If you are going to fight, justthorne, then don't hold back. You face an enemy without morals, & if you are too moralistic yourself then the enemy will use your own morals as a weapon against you. Not nice things to say, but they're true. Good luck with whatever you do here.
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2005   Photographer
Just a quick response cause it's crazy right now.

Your points are good and rest assured, my intention grows, not diminishes. And I have tacks in mind that will please you. Yes, indeed.

Here's the danger, though: if we cross lines too recklessly, we risk dividing the community into Civil War. Which, to your point, isn't necessarily bad. BUT, what we would prefer to do is isolate the problem, with as few allies on his side as possible. That's my goal, and getting a substantial portion of the community lined up against us will make our job harder.

Also, as a relevant tangent, that everyone else that's fighting more bitterly is giving me a little margin to let them do the talking, while I press points from less objectionable positions. My fair spirit is a huge part of my credibility here, and so long as others are going more visciously for the throat, I don't have to sling all the mud, just the most damning mud.

Also, keep in mind, we knew a lot less when I wrote that journal than we know now.

Rest assured, though, you'll like where this goes next. And rest assured, I really appreciate your guidance.
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TwoFistedPencil Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2005
Interesting. Especially your latter point.

You would make a terrific diplomat. You read about Henry Kissinger a lot? :laughing:
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2005   Photographer
Probably should, but no I haven't. But, if you're looking for some explanation, my education was in philosophy. :eyes:

Some people mock and say, "Philosophy?!? Now there's an education you'll never use." And I say, "I beg your pardon? I use it every day." :evileye:
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p-korle Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
Can I just ask something not so related?
When will deviantART return to what it used to be a year and a half ago? ...when I first found it... it took me almost one year to get the courage to join, and now it is falling apart.....
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2005   Photographer
We're fighting for your dreams. :)

There's an argument - I'm not making it right here - that much of the "descent" of this site has come from the big plan that's led up to this whole mess.

We're fighting for the guy who didn't like that plan. :)
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p-korle Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
I realy didn't have much free time this 2 months, and then all of a sudden....
It just got me realy confused... Because I wasn't really informed abouth the matter....
Well, I hope justice will prevail in the end :)...
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ibelieveinsanta516 Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2005
i am most certainly on board.
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Scarfy Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2005   Writer
I support this 100% great idea.
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Amani-Ishikawa Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2005
I hope things get worked out with everyone, especially Jark. I'd hate to see this awesome site fall victim to corporate jackasses.

Btw, I am a general writer, so how do I submit my writing in yellow?
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2005   Photographer
Attach a yellow graphic would be the best I could offer. I just saw ~NUKLEAR do that last night, as an example...

:thumbsup:
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Amani-Ishikawa Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2005
Thanks for the suggestion!
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gazproffesser Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2005  Student Artisan Crafter
can someone tell me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease who jark is?
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justthorne Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2005   Photographer
He and matteo founded deviantART. We owe them a lot. :)
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gazproffesser Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2005  Student Artisan Crafter
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! now that makes sense!
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littlegeek42 Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2005   Writer
I wish we could put journals in our favourites, or at least have an archive of memorable ones.

:salute: I'm in. :)
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