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:iconarmilus616:
Armilus616 Featured By Owner May 27, 2019
The ideal ruler is one that is both competent and not corrupt.
If that is simply not available, for whatever reason, I'd prefer an incompetent but non-corrupt ruler over a competent but corrupt one any day.
Someone that is competent understands his job as a ruler and knows how to utilize his power to achieve whatever end he wants to achieve.
For a corrupt one, those ends are about personal gain and self-gratification, for a non-corrupt one, they are about the peace, well-being, and safety of his people first and foremost.
An incompetent, non-corrupt ruler tries his best for his people, screws up and fails out of honest mistakes.
A competent, corrupt ruler could actually do good for his people, but for his own selfish reasons chooses not to and might even actively sabotage his people for a bigger paycheck.
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Iron1Fox Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Well Trump is both incompetent and totally corrupt...
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DoctorOno Featured By Owner May 25, 2019
Wow, Jack, you really have a way of drawing the Trumpanzees out of the woodwork...
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:iconfairportfan:
Fairportfan Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2019
Well, from the vantage of 25 March 2019, whatever plan he suggested to Theresa May couldn't have been WORSE than hers...
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:iconjollyjack:
jollyjack Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2019
His advice was to sue the EU.
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:icon10seriestot:
10SeriesTot Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
r u s s i a
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:iconjaydesertfox:
JayDesertFox Featured By Owner May 6, 2019  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes R u s s i a
Vladimir Ratskevich (1993) OST '' TV company VID ' by TheDesertFox1991
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:icontheonepeenut:
TheOnePeenut Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2019
I love how just because an artist is showing his dislike for Trump a whole debate pops up out of nowhere to criticize someone else's opinions.
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:iconthepsych0naut:
ThePsych0naut Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2019  Hobbyist Filmographer
Opinion's don't have diplomatic immunity. And what if he's wrong? What if he's a shitty journalist and is just regurgitating false information? Don't we have an obligation, as people who want the truth, to question him? Even criticize him? 
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Grayphus Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2019
AHAHAHA
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:iconvrekandis:
Vrekandis Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2019
And he becomes a little more orange with each passing hour.  
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TheDesertFox1991 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2019  Hobbyist Artist
HAHA 
Trump Brain atom by TheDesertFox1991  
There Will Come Soft Rains by TheDesertFox1991  
      
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:iconlariolario54321:
LarioLario54321 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2019
I'm not really a fan of him either; But I'm sure there's some reason he's still in there. . .
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:iconnordicforlife:
NordicforLife Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2019  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I'm still voting for Trump.
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:iconwillypahl:
WillyPahl Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2019  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"ORANGE MAN BAD!!!"
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:iconsovietwerewolf88:
Sovietwerewolf88 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i hope next year come december we wish you a marry krampus, takes him to Devil fella (Universe) 
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:iconcudegra777:
Cudegra777 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2018
Wow
He's just as ugly as in real life.

Good job! ^^
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Scent-of-Shadows Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you for this
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:iconthecreatorof4:
TheCreatorOf4 Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2018
In Jolly's imaginary world, he is in love with his own liberal news outlet and helping to villainous/bullshit about Trump makes him feel like a hero.

No possible way he could be wrong.
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:iconmrtbsc:
MrTBSC Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019
in your imaginary world you go around accusing people of or asuming bullshit to feel yourself righteous .. how are you any better?

insanity about fighting against trump? when even the people he himself put in congress disagree with him how is that not any more of a sign of the wrong ways of that man ... what is insane is that he was able to get to power in the first place ..


make america great again sure, but clearly not with that obvious lying leech of a failed represantative of your country ...
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:iconthecreatorof4:
TheCreatorOf4 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019
Im not preaching to the masses like I know everything like an Asshole, that is how I am better.

You are assuming politics is gentleman sport and of honorable and good nature? What happened that got you to believe Trump was the root of all evil and everyone else there is a Saint? My original humble opinion; FAKE NEWS. It was commonsense not to trust the media back in the 2000's but someone really did a number on you.

You are naive, gullible and act like a tool. I am sure you try your best to be a good person on a daily basis, but you were trained monkey for the Liberal Machine.
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MrTBSC Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019
bla bla bla bla ... you are nothing but a pretentious asshole that appearantly has nothing better to do assuming shit and that is it

trump is just a criminal that needs to be behind bars and not in a position of power, plain and simple if you believe otherwise you are deluded

your use of the word liberal has no meaning, you seem to post shit for the sake of it ...
there is no further point talking to you

and if i wouldn´t have reached my blocklist limit you would be the next addition to it

have a nice day 
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:iconthecreatorof4:
TheCreatorOf4 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019
You are an NPC...
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:iconoutbreak-ii:
Outbreak-II Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Except this isn't BS? Please point out where it is. And stop projecting; we can tell you're in love with whatever ultraconservative news outlet you subscribe to (I'm guessing InfoWars or Fox News, but I honestly don't know yet).
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:iconthecreatorof4:
TheCreatorOf4 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2018
Fuck Infowars, Fuck Fox News


Is your mind blown yet? Back a few years ago when I was in college, it was the norm NOT to trust the Media! Everyone had liberal views and were against religion, the idea of Islam was still ignorant/nobody cared. Now Liberal minds have gone full retard, I have seen it for myself and therefore believe it. But you know what never changes? America's stupidity in this golden, spoiling, age. Wannabe American pundits (maybe yourself?) pretend to know what is going on and keep on spamming propaganda swearing on their honor it's the truth. Anyone who has ever ran for president always had a base of losers that had a ready-made list on how they were less than human, making it their life goal to appear relevant. But Trump comes along after years of this bullshit, and got meme'd to victory because he was like a punishment--- an attack on the losers who helped make American politics so shitty. "Make America Great Again!" was the perfect slogan for what people like me were feeling.

I am amazed but not surprised about the insanity fighting against Trump. People swearing to kill themselves if Trump won took the cake for me, prove how pundits and their brainwashing had gone too far.

I gave you my answer. So please spare me your ready-made list of how Trump is less than human, ok?
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Tequncal Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2019
I am with you.  If you just look at the economy, Trump has done well the US so far.  He is bringing more jobs into the US, he has Kim Jung Un under control, no more rockets flying over Japan, etc.  Europe in the meantime is in a tailspin, leaders in Germany, Britain, and France are less popular in their own countries than Trump is here.  The leftist media is having a big childish fit about everything Trump and they daily reduce their credibility, close to zero now.  They talk impeachment just based on false rumors, and really look stupid.  Trump is not going to be impeached. 
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:iconcornetblue:
cornetblue Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2018
My goodness! So you're a mind reader now?

"You are aware that when you start a new thread when answering someone, it does not show up as a notification, right?" Sorry, but I didn't know it was question. What does that have to do with anything, anyway?

I find it difficult to discern between your rhetorical points and an actual  desire to understand what I'm writing. You mix them up between personal attacks. Of course, I'm probably insulting you again. Or maybe putting words into your mouth - something you would never do. Put words into people mouths, I mean. It looks to me you are operating on feelings and emotions. Sigh. I've probably insulted you again. Really, how can we have a civilized conversation when you think I'm trying to insult you all the time?  Or at least you say I do. Judging from what you've written I can easily conclude that's it's just a rhetorical device. I don't think I was being insulting, I don't think I was putting words into anyone's mouth.

Your PS is simply opening another can of worms. Who is trolling who, here?

Personally, I think you've proven my point with your response.
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:iconthefirstepidot:
ThefirstEpidot Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2018
Seeing as you have yet again ignored everything asked, and instead jumped right onto the easiest way to not answer, I'd say you have proven my suspicion as well.
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:iconcornetblue:
cornetblue Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2018
You asked a question? Whoa! Must've missed it! Nope, looking back at your previous post I don't see any question marks, just a lot of insulting assertions.
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:iconcornetblue:
cornetblue Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2018
I focused on his tweets because that was the focus of the conversation. Maybe you don't like Trump (and I'm guessing you don't), but I know that Jollyjack doesn't like Trump. Whether you like it or not, that's a personal bias. Other people who expressed themselves in the comments like Trump. That's a personal bias, too. What I think Jollyjack was saying, I'm guessing because I'm not a mind reader, is that there's Objective Truth that Trump has done or said something Wrong. Trump supporters, of course, say Objective Truth tells them Trump is Right. Neither one of them is lying. How can that possibly be?

Do you think you have a monopoly on the Truth? What hubris! You are so perfect that your opinion is all that matters, because it's Right. And there's the Objective Truth that proves it! Hah! Point, set and match!

I don't think either side would recognize Objective Truth (if there is such a thing) if it hit them with a 2 X 4.

You should really try to see things from from another POV. Just for shits and giggles, you know? Try to understand where the other guy is coming from. Try to do a thought experiment about how something that Trump did is actually a Good Thing. Are you capable of stretching your mind that far? Can you answer my questions?


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ThefirstEpidot Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2018
You are aware that when you start a new thread when answering someone, it does not show up as a notification, right? - a question you did not answer earlier.

And telling ones views as the truth, either knowing them to be false, or simply refusing to acknowledge proof that makes those views out to be wrong, is indeed being in the wrong. This goes for everything, not just Trump and anti-Trump sentiments. Factual Truth is simply more important. Critical thinking is just that important now, so everyone needs to be kept up to that standard, regardless of personal opinion.

And yes, facts and proof have a monopoly on truth, as far as I am concerned. I might be swayed by false arguments, but that should not stop me from accepting my own views as wrong if presented with proof of them being so. If objective truth makes it so no one are wrong, then you open the gateway to some truly horrible justifications.

And the last point you make is simply insulting. You insinuate that I hold my views regardless of what happens, or what is done. That I am for or against something/someone on principle alone, and that I am incapable of empathy. Then I present to you, that I have answered your questions, while you have yet to answer any of mine. This far you have claimed to air your thoughts on the issue of objective truth, but have also managed to insinuate small mindedness in those that question or ask for clarifications, while ignoring what have been asked of you. Yet, you feel comfortable to put words in the mouths of others for you to answer, and still claim victory in what you insist on being a casual conversation about a topic.

PS: As for the tweets. He can tweet as many as he like, however since he is the President of the United States, and he uses it to inform about policy, as well as rant about what is on his mind, then there is one side that is unquestionably wrong with it. He bans people. That is essentially censorship, and against the first amendment of the US constitution. It is also an issue if the tweets are factually wrong and supports a single political narrative, since it effectively becomes propaganda that way.
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:iconcornetblue:
cornetblue Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2018
If you've never heard anyone express the opinion that Trump's tweets are clever and witty then you should get out more.

I've heard Scott Adams on his Periscope laud Trump's tweets several times. But that guy's a cartoonist and who can take a cartoonist seriously, right?

Sorry about that, I couldn't resist that straight line.

I didn't know you held such high standards, a quote for the ages, indeed. A bit hyperbolic, but now that you mention it I can see someone collating his tweets into a book sometime in the future.

So, either you're asserting that Trump has been called clever because he's rich with the implication that those who do so are sucking up to him, or that his cleverness is demonstrated by his wealth?

But hey, I think some of Trump's tweets are clever and witty, so now you're factually wrong. See how easy that was? Another cheap shot, but you shouldn't go around talking in such absolutes because you'll be wrong, oh, 99% of the time. (Notice how I didn't say all the time?)

I didn't think I was making arguments, just observations and food for thought. You seem to hold that an opinion is either right or wrong. Sure, it's frequently expressed in those terms but ... is that really true, does it really describe what's going on? It's also said that opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. I kind of like that one. I think opinions are more like commodities - some are more valuable than others. Why do you hold one person's opinion in higher regard than another? You have friends and relatives, surely there are some you listen to with more respect than others. Why? Because they agree with you? That would be sad.
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ThefirstEpidot Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2018
Didn't understand that this was an answer to the thread below at first, so it begs the question if it was intentional or not, but regardless. Since I believe it is a continuation of the thread below, I need to point it out, because I have a slight OCD about it, that you failed to address jollyjack's request for clarification, and instead places opinions on him that he has not once said that he have. All I can say is that from where I sit, it appears that you are either trolling, or since you mentioned that it is suppose to just be observations and food for thought, that the train of thought you have doesn't catch the signals that are given to you along the track.
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:iconcornetblue:
cornetblue Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2018
It's unfortunate that you choose to interpret what I wrote in this way. I don't believe I put any words in Jollyjack's mouth. If you think otherwise I can only state that such was not my intention and you should re-examine my words.

I did my best to expand on the concept that I introduced, that is, self-filtering. I guess I was not as successful as I had hoped.

I always thought that the objective of every troll was to trigger someone. I was doing as much as I could not to trigger anyone. Believe it or not.

There were signals? That I do not get. If you are trying to communicate ideas with another person doesn't  it behoove you to be as plain as you can be so that the person with which you are communicating understands you? They don't necessarily have to agree with you, but they should be able to comprehend what you're saying.

I suppose we can be talking past one another. That was kind of the point of my original post.


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ThefirstEpidot Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2018
Trolls work in many a ways. Talking nonsense, triggering people, occupying people's time as much as possible, ect, ect. All of which they have multiple tricks to pull off. Spotting one is not always an easy task.

And the reason why I ask, is that in your reply to jollyjack, you focus almost entirely on his words about Trumps tweets, while you seem to ignore his point about those cases where there are evidence to support someone's claims. And then instead focusing entirely on arguments on whom one might be more inclined to believe based fully on personal bias. It comes across as heavy handed cherry picking on what to answer.
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cornetblue Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2018
Does anyone ever get the feeling half the country is living in a different reality? Scott Adams puts it like this: it's as if we're watching two different movies. The polarization, though, is just crazy. It gets us at each others throats, and, call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, divide and rule. This is a tactic used by elites for millennia. I swear we're all a bunch of chumps being played.

Some days I think Trump is part of it and other times I think he's a reaction to it. I think he's a net positive, but the main thing I like about him is how he ripped the MSM a new one. Those bastards have been lying to us for decades - if not longer - and they're finally getting their comeuppance. It's funny though; before Trump liberals were so concerned about the concentration of MSM in the hands of a couple few corporations and now whenever Trump tweets they rush to the MSM's defense. C'mon, that's hilarious!

One thing for sure, you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. (Is that a quote?) It's damn hard to step back from your biases (because everyone is biased) and try to look at things from a different perspective.
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jollyjack Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2018
You can listen to Trump, unfiltered, quite easily, and form an accurate opinion about him yourself. Complaining about media bias these days seems more like an excuse or dodge.
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:iconcornetblue:
cornetblue Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2018
I guess I didn't express myself very well. I don't give a shit about their biases. As I said, everyone's biased, that's a given.

They lie.

They do not tell the truth about events. They do not report on important events that do not fit whatever narrative they're pushing. This has nothing to do with Trump since they have been doing this long before Trump came onto the the scene. Now, at least to everyone except the never Trumpers, it's become pretty obvious. Did you believe them when they reported that Trump pissed on the bed that Obama slept on? Maybe not, but you wanted to believe it, didn't you?

I posit to you that it's impossible to listen to Trump unfiltered since you yourself are doing the filtering! You see what you want to see, and hear what you want to hear.

BTW, yeah, I think Obama was a tool, but I think Bush 2 was also, and Clinton was in it for the money and girls, period, Bush 1 was a creep for the elite (remember he was a CIA Director, kind of like Putin there?), and then we get to Reagan. Sigh. I think his heart was in the right place. That's the best I can say about him. Carter, another guy whose heart was in the the right place, but who was totally outclassed by his enemies. Ford was a company man. Nixon, shit, now that's a complicated story. Kennedy pissed off the Dulles brothers and got killed, Eisenhower, well, he didn't start any wars. Truman was the SOB that A-Bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki when he didn't have to. FDR. What a complete and utter piece of shit. Took the Depression and just ran with it. In other words, made it a lot worse. At the same time egging the the Japanese on. Hoover, another guy who had his heart in the right place, but didn't know what the fuck he was doing. Coolidge, my hero. Didn't do a damn thing. Harding, ended a depression before it began. I have no idea why historians hate him so much. Wilson was a scum bag. He was racist bigot who lied us into WW I. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive. Ugh. McKinley, except for the Spanish-American War, not too bad. I don't know much about McKinley. to be honest. I really like Grover Cleveland, and I really hate Lincoln. And I'm from NJ, so don't think it's southern pride or anything. The man was ... awful. Just awful.

I put that overview of my opinion of US presidents of the 20th century (and 2 of the 19th) to give you some perspective of where I'm coming from.
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jollyjack Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2018
"I posit to you that it's impossible to listen to Trump unfiltered since you yourself are doing the filtering! You see what you want to see, and hear what you want to hear."

..........wut?
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:iconcornetblue:
cornetblue Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2018
So you read one of Trump's tweets and think it's dumb and stupid, obviously the product of an inferior mind. Somebody else reads the same tweet and thinks it clever and witty, and wishes they could write tweets like that. Can we agree that that happens? You know it does because half the country despises Trump and the other half adores him. That's their main filter.

You are going to see something entirely different than what a Trump supporter sees - and you are both looking at the same thing. How does that happen? Is one of you so much more discerning than the other? I don't think so. There's people with big IQs on both sides of the fence.

It probably breaks down closer to thirds, where you can add in those who are ambivalent towards him. Give or take. I'm kind of like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for him. I root for him simply because if he does well we all do well (and when I say well, I mean well for the country as a whole, not just the elite). So to me he's a mixed bag. For one thing, I would have never hired Jeff Sessions. That was a bone headed move, but I guess he had his reasons. Political payoff. Sessions was an early supporter.
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Outbreak-II Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, so all those times he's stated things that contradict actual known facts and observable reality... that's just "bias" on the part of science, history, and reality, then?
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cornetblue Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2018
The people within those fields certainly demonstrate bias. Except reality. I think trying to come to grips with that is a bit beyond the scope of this thread. Observable reality - that's a good one. Ever see a stage magician?

Forget about that. There is no doubt that Trump says things that aren't true. So what? Do you think the people who support him don't know that? Do you really think they are that stupid? They don't care because it's not important to them. Or they think it's humor at the other side's expense.

People who are against him are all 'gotcha!' when he says something that isn't true. Do they say 'gotcha' when someone on their team says an untruth? If the truth is so almighty important why don't they call out everyone? Trump supporters, however, are the same way. That's what team sports are all about.
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jollyjack Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2018
"So you read one of Trump's tweets and think it's dumb and stupid, obviously the product of an inferior mind. Somebody else reads the same tweet and thinks it clever and witty, and wishes they could write tweets like that. Can we agree that that happens?"

No. No one has said Trump's tweets are clever or witty. Ever. He's been credited many times as being clever because he's rich, never because he's given a quote for the ages.

Your argument sounds as though you're saying everyone's opinion is irrelevant/wrong, regardless of how much information and evidence is on hand to support it.
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idunknown Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2018
Ya, the president is an obnoxious loudmouth but, unlike the rest of the republicans, at least he has a spine. Look at them run around like headless chickens over ludicrously false charges against Kavanaugh. I feel bad for the people that voted for these losers.
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ancientscars Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2018
Being an asshole is not the same as having a spine.
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idunknown Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2018
That's a matter of perspective.
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LoveRobin Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2018
Trump doesn't have a spine. He's a distraction. A shiny coin for everyone to look at while the Republican Senate and House work to set policies and laws to their liking.
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shadowguy28 Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2018
I’m just completely over politics. They are a shambles everywhere at the moment. No politician can properly lead at the moment, so they spend most of their effort trying to remain in power and fighting their own government.

Or that’s how it feels in Australia. For those who do not pay attention to Australia, we’ve had 5 PMs in 10 years.
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Cybeast24 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 25, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
To any and all people still trying to defend Trump, here's a reality check for you. The man LITERALLY almost started WWIII with a single tweet, no really, true story!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKEqBw…
So there you have it people. You're all supporting a psychopathic lunatic of a moron who doesn't know when to shut the fuck up.
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GradiusGadwin Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
A fetish porn that tries to make shitty political comics in CNN level. Embarrassing.
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