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I am delving into a "controversial topic", although it shouldn't be controversial anyhow. Now I won't get into a scrap with you, if you are somewhat heavily involved with such subjects in a way that is supporting it. All that I ask is that you consider these points before taking an argument into the comments, and if you do not like me afterwards, you can simply unwatch or block.


TRIGGER WARNINGS: discussion on child porn, pedophilia, shotacon/lolicon, rape, abuse and molestation, without any explicit descriptions


Right, I've stayed up until 4am last night so sleep deprivation means that I'm getting weird drunk symptoms like swaying the hell everywhere so if something is written up weirdly, I am sorry but I am very tired Stare

Time to tackle another topic. And of course, it has to be the ever-so controversial "shotacon" and "lolicon". Now you and I are no fools, we've been on the web enough to know what they are and what they involve, but just in case you don't know what it is, Wikipedia sums it up pretty good.

Shotacon by johtozo

Lolicon by johtozo
So, I've highlighted a few very important parts here. Now let's just lay all these points here in very big letters to let you know how very very bad it is:

- [DEPICTING OR DESCRIBING AN] ATTRACTION TO YOUNG OR PRE-PUBESCENT CHILDREN

- [DEPICTING OR DESCRIBING A] PRE-PUBESCENT OR PUBESCENT CHILD[REN] DEPICTED IN A SUGGESTIVE OR EROTIC MANNER


or we can just go unsugarcoat it and call it: pedophilia and child porn


Yeah, that's a very big leap for me to post this journal.

Why on earth are people... I don't even have any more words to say, but there are people out there actively drawing young... children, essentially, slap on explicit, pornographic art on them, and make a good couple bucks out of it. They may call it shotacon or they may call it lolicon, but that's just another word for, well, CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

I can't begin to describe how appalling this is. Let's just forget about the content for a minute, because you can see that's clearly disgusting, but let's discuss the people who actively create it, consume it, and/or worst of all, defend the existence of it.

It's a very big problem because Japan only banned child pornography in 2014, and was one of the last countries to do so. However, Japan has taken no action against "2D child porn", or as the others try to sugarcoat it: shotacon or lolicon, or something even more dumbed down like "yaoi" or "yuri" to hide the fact that it involves kids. People actively consume it. I don't care if you're ashamed of consuming it; consuming it willingly is still appropriating it. 

I don't want to write a ridiculously long paragraph but here's the summary of why it's very very bad:

- Grooming. It's used by perpetrators to groom children, by showing them instances/depictions of a child in sexual situations. Those targeted children are then eventually involuntarily subjected into anything that can range from trafficking, sexual abuse, rape, molestation... the list goes on.

- Normalizing child porn. These shota/loli mangas, they might not even depict it as rape. They might not even say "well I'm 9 and it's inappropriate for someone my age to do sexual stuff". Sometimes they don't even say "no" or "I don't want it". Sometimes they just go on and be depicted having sex someone their age or someone much, much scarily older. They depict it as "normal". And that lack of "this is wrong" thing, that's normalizing it. That's normalizing a child to submit something they don't have control over. Children inherently lack the power to give consent and that's the point blank of it. And by normalizing it, it means that these kind of contents end up on the front page uncensored where children can see it and they think it's normal because nobody is saying "no" or "this is wrong".

"People get sexually excited by something, then become used to it," says Tomo, who works behind the counter in one of the adult stores. "So they are always looking for something new, and get sexually excited by young, immature women."

This is what worries critics - the concern that even if no-one is harmed in the creation of sexually explicit manga, it might normalise, facilitate, or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse.

source: www.bbc.com/news/magazine-3069…


- Supporting pedophilia or child porn. Consuming these images, ashamed or not, means that you're appropriating a child to be manipulated and taken control over. Children, who may have not developed concise definitions of right and wrong, for their yet-to-mature minds to be forced into something horribly disgusting. And by appropriating that, you might as well visit your local pedo what an absolutely wonderful work they're doing, making children succumb against their will.

The argument of it is that, people who consume these kinds of things, they say, "well, it's just fiction! It can never hurt anybody!". Again, to quote the wonderful (well, horrifying) BBC article I've found:

"Everyone knows that child abuse is not a good thing," Hide says. "But having that kind of emotion is free, enjoying imagining some sexual situation with a child is not prohibited."

His candour takes me by surprise. He then introduces me to the word "Lolicon", short for "Lolita complex" - the name for manga featuring young girls engaged in sexually explicit scenarios. It can involve incest, rape and other taboos, though Hide's tastes lie more with high-school romance.

"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.

Fans like Hide argue they are just enjoying harmless fantasy. No child models or actors are involved, he says, so "there is no child abuse for creating sexual topic mangas.

NO.


I personally DO NOT GIVE ONE DAMN if it's fiction or nonfiction. There's the content: pedophilia, child porn. Regardless of it being fiction or not, you support it. Therefore, you support pedophilia, childporn, and probably a plethora of other things because they usually involve rape, abuse and other things on top of that. REGARDLESS of NOT SUPPORTING child abuse in real life, you still condone it in fiction because you believe "it is only fantasy" or "imagination" or "fiction". Maybe you'd like to tell your friend, or teacher, or family member or ANYONE ELSE and say: "Hey, I support fictional child porn". How ridiculous do you sound? Let's see what they say next.

Lastly, before I close this journal, I'd like to address something else:

Taken from the shotacon Wikipedia:

It can also apply to postpubescent (adolescent or adult) characters with neotenic features that would make them appear to be younger than they are.

I've seen a lot of people trying to counter the child porn thing by saying "well, the characters are 18+". It's very hard to differentiate between ero-kawaii and "aged-up shotacon/lolicon" because people tend to run to the "Well they're 18+, and it's only depicted as cute characters! You don't like cute stuff? You're saying you want to ban cute stuff?". No, I am not trying to say I want to ban someone being depicted cute.

You know what that is? Simulated child porn. That's word for, child porn, but everyone is adults. There's a reason why it has it's own article and its own laws. Why is this still bad? Because you rely on the fact that the characters depicted look like children. You might think that's a very big reach, but there's a reason why it's banned in the majority of countries. Because it's made to look like child porn, but people can run off the excuse that it's "18+, fools!". It's a flimsy excuse that people use to say that they consume content that contains childlike appearance. So in essence, in very big bold letters so you can understand it clearer:

Simulated child pornography is child pornography depicting what appear to be minors but it's made without the involvement of minors themselves. It's a flimsy excuse that people use to say that they consume content that contains childlike appearance, which inherently relies on the fact that they're made to look like children.


I am very tired of child porn, pedophilia, sexual abuse and rape being depicted and normalized left and right, regardless whether it's real-life, fiction or fantasy. It's bad. It's unacceptable. I don't even mean the depiction of it as a story plot advancement, not for enjoyment/consumption and very clearly painted as wrong (which is still on thin ice, unless done properly). People get off to what's essentially child porn and it's ridiculous. I'm not even going to go to the concepts of people who consume it as a coping mechanism or it's the only apparent way to live in the midst of this society's economy. If you consume and/or support shotacon/lolicon, you're supporting childporn, that's it. End of story.

TL;DR: Shotacon/lolicon is child porn. The fact that it's fictional is no excuse.

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Tinusio Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2018
Jesus christ thank you, these are all the points i've been trying to hit home with while talking to some old friends. I'm so glad I found this journal, I really really appreciate you putting this together
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paintbear Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018
I remember finding some sick fuck online who asked for the best places for child trafficking. The fact that he expects to find "cute lolis" irl is fucking pathetic. It seems like that was the thing that influenced him. These bastards think fiction = reality
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jerukmasamanis Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2018  Hobbyist
God bless for you for this!  
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VlETC0NG Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2018
posted this in the "nsfw loli and shota" chat in a discord server im in, im ready to be flamed to shit by them ;^)

in all seriousness, this journal hits so many good points regarding loli and shota. Just because it's legal in japan doesnt mean its legal in any other country, thats a point i wish i would've seen there. Good work though!
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Rainewhisper Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As much as I enjoy anime, this is something that's been creeping me out increasingly more over the past few years. I think it's also important for people to realize that this is something that affects men and women, and the female audience is often overlooked because it tends to be more centered in the literature/fanfic side of things (not always visually oriented) and can fly under the radar that way. I can't even say how many times I have been looking for that rare wholesome fanfic and on the way I have to scroll past dozens of sick fic descriptions or tagged pairings where one of the characters is a child (or both, which is not much better), that make me want to bleach my brain after skimming the synopsis accidentally. :no:
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frenchspy Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2018  Student General Artist
amen
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an-xi-ety Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2018  Student
As a victim of childhood sexual assault, THANK YOU. 
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etherealworm Featured By Owner Edited Jul 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
THANK YOU. there are SO many people here on deviantart that support shota/lolicon and it's absolutely disgusting. here's to hoping that at LEAST one pedo/supporter will read this and decide to change for the better. it's a long shot, but one can only hope. 

edit: do you mind if i share this journal?
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Barnie22 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2018  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you for writing this, it needs to be talked about a lot more. The problem with the 'its just fantasy' excuse horrible people give is that it has real world effects. Someone will watch this horrible stuff over and over again, and yes it won't be everyone, but because they were introduced to the idea 'in fiction' some people will now seek it out in real life. You can't take that chance with something as serious as this. just one percent of people watching these shows being influenced and doing it in real life is too much. There's been so many accounts of young school girls working to satisfy older people from all over the world who would say they love this kind of anime.
when fiction negatively impacts real life in anyway, you can no longer say its JUST fiction. You've helped make it real.
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i see where you're coming from.

personally and this is just my opinion and i'll probably get a lot of hate for this but to me? it's just fiction. 

sure some people don't like that sort of thing but hey, the world ain't perfect. i myself am disgusted by real life things like that bc that's what matters; trying to protect real children from pedos and what not.

fictional isn't real. it's something someone with a sick mind made up. that's it.

feel free to hate on me. i just wanted to say my part.
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johtozo Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2018
I disagree, fiction is a portrayal of reality and to me, it's still sick. Fictional or not, it's the enjoyment of sexualising children, and that cannot be defined whether by fiction or reality. and I personally cannot ever forgive that. But I do hope you change your mind one day, because there is a compelling amount of evidence that fiction affects reality greatly.
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xTenshi-Ameshisutox Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2018
I understand where you're coming from yeah. Sadly shota and loli started in Japan and I don't know if you're aware but the consensual age in Japan is 13. It's different cultures to us, Japan thinks 13 and up are okay to sexualise.

But no I do agree with you. I myself try not to find that kind of thing but again, opinion based. Thanks for not you know, blowing up on me for saying how I feel about the subject.
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johtozo Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2018
You're welcome, it's no use educating everyone else while swearing and shouting. It has the opposite effect, frankly!

And yeah, although restrictions apply (e.g. the laws still say you can't have sex with a 13 year old unless you're in a nearby age range), but a lot of people pass over this... it's repulsing to know that Japan was one of the last countries to ban child porn too, geez...
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SparksInG-major Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2018  Student Digital Artist
You have no idea how much I agree with this journal.
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DiabeticPotatoe Featured By Owner Edited Jul 12, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
claps I totally agree
This is why I have taken a break on anime cause nowadays it seems to be filled with loli fanservice or some other weird borderline hentai stuff
 And then when you think it's safe to just talk to your friends about anime they wind up saying "Isn't [insert loli's name here] hot I'd love for her to be my waifu I mean it's not creepy cause she's technically 18 lol"
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johtozo Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2018
Oh dear god, this, yes. I've come to hate anime because of its weird fanservice culture. And what's up with 30-year-old characters being portrayed with embodiment of someone like, 12? I've seen it a lot. It wasn't even like, a century-old creature in a body of a youthful man or something (Sebastian from Black Butler comes to mind, but even that manga is riddled with weird fanservice), it was genuinely just someone so old portrayed being young... I'm not shitting for people for looking young, because if you do, good for you, but the general, sole purpose of "aging down" physicality of characters in anime/manga is for shota/loli fanservice and it's repulsing.
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Uoso Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree
Really wise and good text.
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Breadyy Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
[insert clapping hands emoji here] Preach man
Just because it's drawn doesn't make it right or okay...............
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aeio-u Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  New Deviant Hobbyist General Artist
You are absolutely right. I couldn't agree more.
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SGT-Stories Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
Personally, I try to have a very varied cast of characters that accurately represent what happens to people when they go through horrible things in their lives. I actually have a character who was a child raised by a pedophile throughout their childhood, and that child grew into a badly maladjusted adult who had trouble distinguishing between the different kinds of affection. There wasn't any romance. There wasn't any pleasure. There was a child who was very badly hurt, and who was never able to grow out of the scars the pedophile forced onto them, and a huge part of their story is trying to move past what was done to them. The pedophile is always treated as a villain throughout the story, as the thing that never should have happened, and it's always a good thing that they are dead and can no longer touch the person they hurt. That is how it should be treated - it isn't a ship, it's a wreck.

Showing those traumas through fiction should absolutely be done, because from experience, recognizing yourself in the characters you read about can help you realize that you are not alone, and that other people have been through what you have been through. Being able to relate to a fictional character and see them triumphing over something you haven't yet is so, so helpful in believing that maybe you can triumph too. But what the character went through has to be shown as traumatic. They have to be represented accurately, and not romanticized or normalized. Because that can be just as harmful as what actually happened. You were not only hurt, but you're being presented with media that says it was perfectly alright for that to have been done to you, and your pain is invalid. And that is not okay. Showing realistic trauma in fiction should be a support mechanism for those who have been through it, not an excuse to jerk off to very real people's pain. 

TL;DR: Showing traumatic experiences in fiction should be done, but only if it's accurate and treated as the horrible thing that it is. Use it to show people that they are not alone, not to invalidate their pain and romanticize their trauma. 
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cookehhs Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah. children aren't objects for people to jerk off to.

"it's not hurting anybody" it's hurting the person actively taking in such materials. it's making them normalize sexualizing children, which in turn can affect how they think of children irl. it's dangerous.

also the last part (with people 18+ having prepubescent characteristics and all that) reminded me of this issue my all-female physical education class talked about at some point, about how strange it is that in porn, women tend to shave ... you know, down there. now if it makes the woman feel more comfortable then i won't argue, but we just found it unsettling that some men like that & sometimes pressure women into shaving down there because it resembles the private parts of a prepubescent girl... ik this probably doesn't relate to anything in your journal but i just wanted to get that out.
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POLISHhedgieFanGirl Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student
hmm, and i've thought i'd never got to see this kind of journal pop out in my notifications 

kinda sad to see it still rolls on smh

and while i'm here i'd like to ask : let's suppose i have seen boku no pico and i made a joke drawing of these series - would it be bad that i made that joke picture? 
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HedgieMuffins Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
im not an expert on the subject but i personally wouldn't joke about it. even if its just to mock how bad boku no pico is its in bad taste bc it helps spread the existence of shota/loli to pedophiles & and normalizes it
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POLISHhedgieFanGirl Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2018  Student
hmm, i see
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plungerguts Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student Digital Artist
this is such an important journal tbh like,,,,, as a child who was groomed w/ this kinda content fucking thank you for writing smthn so long and informative that can be used as a tool to teach others why this shit isn't okay. 
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vjnnie Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
BIG !!! AGREE !!
also fuck anyone who says 'but its just fiction!! theyre not gonna do anythin to kids irl :////' i... i literally knew someone who started getting creepy towards kids just by bein into loli shit. i told him constantly dont fuckin get into this shit but he kept referring it to as an addiction and it cant be helped??? i gave up arguing w him for obvious reasons but he went on to literally jack off in calls w minors around 13 and literally admitted he got a kink for jerkin off infront of minors due to loli shit, and it was okay because 'hes not actually touching them x3' and basically used the same arguments he used to defend lolis. godddd i hate this shit
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thickpolice Featured By Owner Edited Jul 11, 2018
im glad u shared this
my younger self (abt 2-3 yrs ago) used to use the term 'shota' for characters/designs i liked, not knowing what it really meant. at the time i jsut thought it meant cute boys, even though i never delved into lolis because i thought those were creepy and picked up on the sexual undertones a lot easier than i did with shota, and automatically assumed that since ;shota; was a boy thing it couldnt possibly be sexualized. ive known the truth now for awhile but im glad it is shared 4 other people who just never understood the term to ignorance
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awoos Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
You make such good journals and everything you said is absolutely true. If you get off on fictional cp you're a pedo and that's it. YES it is fictional, but fiction has to be based on reality to some degree and in this case it's the fact that the characters are literally drawn with actual child/underage bodies. Why would anybody be attracted to a child's body?? That's just fucked up no matter how you look at it.
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Pbuckley Featured By Owner Edited Jul 11, 2018  Student General Artist
Yuri and Yaoi is just lesbian and gay porn respectively. I feel the need to specify this, so you don't get attacked for attacking gay people. I don't really take any issue with your base argument, I just feel you might wan't to remove that line...
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johtozo Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
Unfortunately I have to disagree. Yuri and yaoi are depictions of gay characters, but yaoi/yuri is exclusively a genre. It does not directly translate to "gay" or anything relating to homosexuality in my knowledge. There is a reason why I personally don't call gay couples in real life "yaoi", because that would be saying that they're a genre, and that alone, added with how many people fetishize gay porn, personally makes me uncomfortable as a queer person myself.

Moreover, the line I have written was "or as the others try to sugarcoat it: shotacon or lolicon, or something even more dumbed down like "yaoi" or "yuri" to hide the fact that it involves kids". I was using it in the example that people "try to dumb it down" with another word.

So no, I will not delete that line, but I do appreciate your thought for it. Thank you : )
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younchi Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
meskipun saya setuju dengan semua yang anda katakan, jika saya menemukan seseorang yang mendukungnya, saya hanya membiarkan mereka sendiri. apa gunanya terlibat dalam argumen tidak berguna ketika anda tahu mereka tidak akan berubah?
saya juga berpikir orang-orang dengan perilaku pedofil harus mendapatkan pertolongan serius. beberapa dari mereka tahu itu salah dan mereka memang menginginkan bantuan tetapi begitu mereka mencoba untuk membuka dan mendapatkan bantuan, orang-orang menampar mereka dan memaksa mereka untuk bunuh diri.
anyways that's my 2 cents
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johtozo Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
yes, there is "pedophilia that cannot be helped", and that is called POCD (pedophilia obsessive-compulsive disorder). they are disgusted by their thoughts and they actively try to seek help. however, the OTHER pedo folks, they think this behaviour is acceptable, if not lawfully wrong. however, pedophiles do try to run off to the excuse of "well it's a mental illness aaaa". unfortunately, even the shittiest behaviours cannot be defined by mental illness, so their argument is a stump.

i agree, getting involved usually ends up horrific. a lot of them don't change. report 'em and go,  i suppose. i've posted the journal here for people who CAN change and REALISE their behaviour is unaccpetable.

good two cents though, and here's my two cents back!
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younchi Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
i know. in my opinion their punishment depends on how severe it is. for example a non-offending one should be in jail for a few years and get some treatment, but the ones who repeatedly do it and know they're wrong should get a worse punishment, in that case capital. i researched about capital punishment and it helps deter the amount of crime.

anyways
yep. it's a good thing to try to let them know what's wrong and not bash them for it. if they're willing to change then i think we should give them a chance.

why ty. and u too
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STARRYKlNS Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
Before writing this comment I went up to your gallery.

If drawing fictional characters under age makes people support pedophilia...
If fiction has no being in this example... Then does it mean you support phisical abuse because you drew this? ? ???? NO.
Going this logic - gore should be forbidden and whoever dares to draw it or enjoy pictures in this climate is automatically a follower of pain made to others? No.


Of course it's nothing good about child porn but let's not mix reality with art.
Not everyone who draws a naked human under age of 18 or over 18 but with younger face is automatically a degenerate.

I play video games where I kill others but it doesn't make me a serial killer in reality.
Btw. if there would be a married couple over age of 20 and a woman would still look like 17 or younger, then saying to her husband "disgusting pervert" would be painful for both (still going your logic).

I know you want to be the good defender and you're right, pedofilia isn't good but if you say artwork with naked 16 y.o. is terrible but artwork showing blood and torture is ok then something's wrong.
ofc there will be people who use loli and shota for sexual excitement but it's still better for them to use fiction than real kids which would be 1000% worse.
We can't get rid of such people. It's something in their brain which can't be changed but if they have a chance to not hurt childs because they have fiction then it's still kinda better even if it may sound gross.

I do not support pedophilia
but I also don't like when someone says that \\this\ inhuman artwork is bad but /this// inhuman artwork is good. 
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Lady-BeIIa Featured By Owner Edited Jul 14, 2018  Student Digital Artist
I agree with them on the majority on this
Because I've seen art styles that have characters well over the age of consent and they are being drawn in a sexual manner.
Or people who 'age up' canon characters just to draw them in a sexual way.
And if you compare them to actual shota/loli you see little to no difference.
Honestly, it's like ???????
Like how a famous artist here, Sakiminichan drew Miraculous Ladybug 'older version' (also Cat Noir) but she was clearly sexualized.
And it goes against dA's rules, (because I got banned from it even though my OC was my OC and I literally age them up but you know whatever lmao)
Yet she is not banned or called out
I just say BS and double standards here. 
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younchi Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
the fact you compare internal organs and blood to a mental illness that can harm children is kind of ironic
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passives Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student Digital Artist
retweet smashing that like button YES
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aggravated-assault Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
fucKING THANK YOU
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SandwichProtector Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student Digital Artist
you have such fucking strong logic. i appreciate u making this journal, im not sure why people are still "into" that stuff. its very inappropriate in general 
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Frogabond Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
well said, you have some very good points and facts, case in point. I think it's good that someone like you brings up this issue, even if some consider it touchy. 
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R0BUTT Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Thank you for talking about this, it's a subject thats very important to me but that I struggle to be vocal about for personal reasons!! This sums up my thoughts very well, it's imo digusting and obvious and I cant believe it's not commonly known, yet alone controversial??? Is it ok if I share this journal? If not, that's ok!
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johtozo Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018
Definitely share this journal! I want as much people to know why it's bad, because here I've included reasoning and articles, so it's not just a statement of "shota/loli is bad!". I haven't seen this addressed very well in dA so if you share it, I'd be eternally grateful.
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Skieszeavan Featured By Owner Edited Jul 11, 2018
welp good point there !

At least its better for some to feed thier fantazy on manga/art than real people. it's also a way for some to repulse/cope thier rape/pedophilia tendencies. 
That's why I don't really mind except if they dare to do the real thing for sure ew.

it's not like I never stubbled on one whithout realizing it while reading some r18 stuff
you're right the question of kawaii artstyle is always confusing, because sometime you never know if it's just the arstist style or if its childporn.
Many of my friends are into 'loli' because they find the character cute/moe (I'm not here to judge anyway)they're not interesting in childporn at all (at least consciously), it just because they find the art more appealing to the eyes.

I'm neither supporting it neither banishing it, it's just a disturbing thing among many orther distrubing things whatever you like it or not, it's here and will ever be.

fun note: One of my friend came to Japan some month ago and brought a hentai (like a hardcore one with loli & shota in it) in a combini just next to some kid magazines :'D. 
he was surprised at first but for the people next to him, it seemed pretty normal, they didn't really care (cultural diff).
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jorieldraws Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student Digital Artist
honestly i really appreciate you being so vocal about topics like this, i always agree with you and you always make really strong, solid points. you're really amazing, thanks for bringing this to people's attention and not letting it slide on your platform <3
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VaporVVaves Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
GODDAMN, WELL PUT!! I'm so grossed out and upset that this even has to be clarified for some people, tho... yikes
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JAXICOUR Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student General Artist
damn fat agree
i cant rlly put it into words other than that ur just right LOL
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SheriffDoom1 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Student Filmographer
This is why I have rules on my artwork.
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