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Aristotle teaching Alexander

The philosopher Aristotle teaching the young prince of Macedon, Alexander (future Alexander the Great). Alexander is taking notes on a tablet made of wood and wax (some people on the internet believe it's a modern laptop brought to the ancient Greeks by time travelers LOL).

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"You see Alex, that Persian ho had an ass THIS BIG"

BrutalityInc's avatar

"The whole is more than the sum of its parts."

"Wait, teacher, is not the whole the sum of its parts to begin with?"


OfficerMark's avatar
On a lighter note I think Aristotle's hairy chest is epic!
UltimateEmpress's avatar
ME TOO! I am adding as a reference for how to do chest hair right. Ehe...
JFoliveras's avatar
This was the most difficult part. It's not the same as doing beards or hair from the head. Thank you!
Blondbraid's avatar
Good work, and the laptop comparison cracked me up!
akitku's avatar
Ah this is awesome! :heart:
PapierowySzczur's avatar
The most hated of all philosophers (in his time).
PatientLion's avatar
The most hated in his time was Socrates.
PapierowySzczur's avatar
Socrates was hated only by Athenians. Aristole was considered a traitor by entire Greece.
PatientLion's avatar


The capital of philosophy was Athens, but not all philosophers were coming from Athens. Socrates was not hated only by Athenians, but since he was living and teaching there he was a "direct threat" for the system of Athens.
PapierowySzczur's avatar
They hated him because he was teacher of Alexander. Outsider and conqueror from Macedonia. And he accompanied him during the invasion. Being connected with the conqueror gave him big power and kept him safe, but it didn't give him popularity.

There two ways of speaking about Socrates. We know mostly about Platonian Socrates, Socrates as he was described by Plato. But Socrates as historical figure is quite mysterious. We only know he lived and that he was a philosopher.
PatientLion's avatar
Concerning Socrates of course we speak, I speak, according to what we know and this is what we know and it's written. If you want to doubt his existence it's something different and at least till now this theory it's fantasy based to nowhere.

The history you know concerning Greece and Alexander it's totally false!
A little lesson:
There was no Greece as a united state. There were many greek cities-states, not united but all Greeks, including Macedonia and many other cities some known some others not. The "unknown" ones, actually hidden from today history though there are plenty of prooves, were  some northern and even more on the east. Ionia-Anatolia was full of greek cities before Alexander. Actually Alexander's first target was to save these greek cities from the Persian tyrants. Up to a certain point of course, going deeper there were no Greeks to be saved. The first Persian war started because some Greeks, from today geographical Greece, have helped Greeks of Ionia against the Persians.
There was no foreign invasion as you described it, there was one more civil war among the Greeks about power, like many before and many after, but they were all Greeks.

Since Aristotle was welcomed to many cities, more on the north away from the old power cities Sparta-Athens, I don't doubt this, he was clearly not the most hated from all Greeks, but to some of them. While Socrates was hated almost everywhere because his theories were a threat for any sociopolitical system of his time.

MACEDONIA IS HELLAS by WrathChildG Macedonia Is Greek!Alexander The Great was Greek.
Alexander The Great was Macedon.
If you are Macedon then you are Greek.
You cannot be Macedon if you are not Greek.
Macedonia was always a part of Greece.
And Macedons they were only speaking greek, no other language.
They still speak greek and only greek.
There is no trace of any other language 2500 years now.
Macedons considered themselves Greek and were proud for being Greek.
Macedonia Was Greek!
Macedonia Is Greek!
Macedonia Will Remain Greek!
The land of the ancient Macedonia today it's splitted. Only a part of the old Macedonia's land belongs to Greece. Nobody asks anything from the people living on the other parts of the old Macedonia that today do not belong to Greece, but the residents of these areas cannot be called Macedons and offsprings of the ancient Macedons, neither their language can be called macedonian. The language they speak or any form of it didn't even exist before the ninth century! There is not even any historical trace of the sup
Simple factsNorthern Epirus is hellenic.
Macedonia is hellenic.
Imia is hellenic.
Cyprus is hellenic.
The end.
PapierowySzczur's avatar
I do not deny life of Socrates. I just say we don't have confirmed sources on his life story. Scholars are people and people do lie, so even in chronicles there were some twisted facts. Written sources on Socrates's life are mostly derived from Plato. We know that Plato made up some things for his teachings. Fantastic land of Atlantis is a good example.

You're right, Greece wasn't united nation. It is my mistake. But, still he was considered a traitor in Athens, where he received his education.

You say Socrates was hated because his ideas could endanger the sociopolitical system that was in Greece. I'd understand it that he was hated by those who ruled (kings of poleis and those on high positions), but it wouldn't be reason to be hated by lower classes... Of course there is accusation of blasphemy which probably made him hated by everyone shortly before his death (if Plato didn't lie).
Suicidebubble's avatar

I remember reading in the Apology of Socrates, of Plato, that It was for very few difference of votes that condemned Socrates. He was hated by those sofists and aristocracy, among other reasons, for teaching the young in way that they considered perverse. He also was maligned of not believing in the gods and making "diabolical" —at least, that how it was translated in my edition—.

I believe that he wasn't hated by the lower classes before his acusation. After that, maybe it could have changed. Críton seems to insinuate that in his conversation with Socrates while he was prisioned.

PatientLion's avatar
Look even if he is a fictional person we must talk according to the writings for him.
If he were or not real it's totally different, the same applies to Atlantis. We talk for Atlantis according to sources. If Atlantis existed or not it's again something different. The simplest and fairiest way to go it's this, but you insist on using words who lead others to understand things another way, for example you speak of the "fantastic" Atlantis. This is not the right way to go. Say things with their name. Atlantis existence has not been prooved, but there are no clues also that it didn't exist. Greece's history in many cases is saved within "myths". Myths that also carry philosophical truths-theories. We cannot separate the one of the other without prooves. 200 years before they were also believing that Troy didn't exist. 50 years before it was believed that on the prehistoric period people arrived to the geographical Greece of today from the North, but today this is doubted.

The lower classes of that era were much higher on terms of living than today average, at least on Athens. He was a threat for every sociopolitical system , but I repeat there was no Greece. Each city had a different system there was no overall system, I'm saying this because again younlet someone to understand something different 
"You say Socrates was hated because his ideas could endanger the sociopolitical system that was in Greece."
Unlike the sociopolitical system language, religion and sense of justice were common to all of Greek cities-states. The power of Zeus was above everything, so do not consider blasphemy as something small. If Athenians didn't find him guilty in a way they would be considered blasfemous all Atheneans. If it was really blasphemy or not it's what you can judge on your own.
One way or another he was hated. He was not the only case of someone loved in the beginning and hated on the way for whatever reason. 

It's easy to doubt anything of that era and say "if it is true", but this is of no point. There are no other sources, you either accept the existing ones or not. Keeping half of the words it's a contradiction or it's done by people who have some kind of profit. I don't accuse you, but you look influenced from false history books.
TheWittenburger's avatar
More than Diogenes?
PapierowySzczur's avatar
I'm not sure if he was all that hated. At least they didn't consider him a traitor.
PatientLion's avatar
Diogenes was not really hated.
Were they within a few decades of age like that? I've lost track.
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