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Stamp: our characters deserve A CHANCE! by Jeshika-Haruno Stamp: our characters deserve A CHANCE! by Jeshika-Haruno
:bulletpurple: TRUE FACTS:
· Beauty doesn't make a character a Mary Sue
· Big boobs don't make a character a Mary Sue
· A tragic past doesn't make a character a Mary Sue (as long as it's realistic/fits the story)
· Being a tomboy/girly girl doesn't make a character a Mary Sue (it's just kind of cliché)
· A sexy outfit doesn't make a character a Mary Sue (as long as it fits the fandom they belong to)
· Being paired-up with a canon character doesn't make a character a Mary Sue (as long as the story makes sense and the canon character doesn't go OOC)

:bulletpurple: Also, I'll quote *kiss-the-thunder's marvelous comment on her stamp ([link]) :

"A character being paired with a canon character does not a sue make. (the creator is just having fun)

A character that's pretty or even gorgeous does not a Sue make. (look at the characters flaws, they often time balance it all out)

A character that excels in one area does not a sue make. (Now if they excelled in MANY areas, that's different)

A chaotic love life does not a Sue make.

You can not tell a character is a Mary Sue just by looking at them.

Having one quality of a potential Sue does not a Sue make.

A character is not a Mary Sue just because you dislike them!"


I underlined that sentence because that seems to be something that many people can't understand: having different crushes throughout the years is completely normal and it's something that happens to most if not all girls in real life. If a character is a Mary Sue for having a few crushes throughout the story, then real girls are whores :|?
Of course, I DO NOT support flirting with two guys at the same time. Now, that's slutty.

^ Okay, that wasn't the point of this stamp, just something I needed to vent about ^^;.

:bulletpurple: Of course, if a character has ALL the features I named above, then it is somewhat a Mary Sue. Again, remember that if wearing a sexy outfit is totally normal in the fandom the character belongs to (like Pokémon because it's the only fandom I'm familiar with), then it isn't a Sue-ish feature. As for having big boobs... Some real girls have big tits, others don't. The same applies to anime.

:bulletpurple: A real Mary Sue is usually the most powerful and possess an unique power/ability (like an invincible bloodline in Naruto or having the power to understand pokémon or talking their lenguage in Pokémon. Mary Sues are often the center of attention of the story, too.

:bulletpurple: And don't forget: characters without some Sue-ish feature are plain and boring. As *kiss-the-thunder said, "Characters with little to no development, pass (Litmus test) with flying colors."

:bulletpurple: GIVE FAN CHARACTERS A CHANCE. Just because a character possesses one, two or even three Sue-ish feature there is NO need to bash it! Who knows if that certain character also has flaws and/or a well-developed story?


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KalloFox345 Featured By Owner Edited 1 day ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Writer
Yes. Take my character Seth for example. He's fairly attractive and has a star-shaped hairstyle.

That said while he IS clever and friendly, he's also lazy, snarky, a total pushover, an alcoholic, rather weak and eats like a pig. He also frequently suffers slapstick abuse.
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Incidentally, people often mistake Chloe from The Fairly OddParents as a Mary Sue played straight. She was actually intended to be an over-the-top parody of these kinds of characters.
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rellaxer Featured By Owner May 5, 2019
OC's should have a chance your right
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ArtistGirl0007 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2019  Student Digital Artist
using
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axris Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2019  Student General Artist
Mary Sues are defined by their writing more than their traits, imo.

You can have a character with an amazing personality, perfect physical and mental acuity, absolutely gorgeous, large bosoms, many talents and skills disproportionate to their age, and would realistically count as a Mary Sue, and if you write them well and still have them face struggles, they can still be an amazing character and feel believeable. Likewise you can have a character who in a semi-decent writer's hands would be believeable, but in a bad writer's hands would easily come off as a Mary Sue.
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ViktoriaMagrey Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
WARNING: INCREDIBLY LONG RANT. I'm so sorry, I got inspired. 

Oh, ABSOLUTELY. If you lined up some real people, you'd find a few of them might have typically mary-sue traits. In fact, it's so ridiculous to judge based on that, that if you are to take a "Is your character a mary sue" quiz using yourself, chances are you'll land somewhere in between close, or mary sue. If you play piano, are curvy, have a naturally good voice, if you're talented or you don't struggle with certain things, you have a good life or any of the arbitrary traits that supposedly make a character a mary sue, does that mean you're...Not real? 

No, because real people CAN indeed be very talented, pretty and yet they're people. They face real struggles all the time, even from the downsides of their own "nice" or good traits. Real life mostly tends to kick people's butt almost equally in certain ways. In fact, the act of trying to make everyone incredibly, extremely flawed, or below average has also been made fun of because of this. It's also unrealistic. Some people think the only way a character can avoid this is by simply not having a single character have any impressive traits, or god forbid, many of them. It says a lot about not having enough confidence in your skills to make it work, and if that's the case, people need to chill a bit, maybe work on the story more to make obstacles for the character and less on avoiding anything standing out about your cast. In fact, playing around with this is how you land on deeply well-thought out ideas and ways to challenge a character, because like I said, the amount of things that can go wrong with potentially good things about a person are something you never take the time to think about until you put yourself in their shoes. They always go hand in hand. 

Is your character very beautiful? Make them unintentionally nervous of not always being stared at because they have gotten so used to it. Make their beauty be a danger to them sometimes, make them get a bit cocky - despite being a good person because they're so used to being the most beautiful in a room. Make the characters with big breasts get back aches, make it difficult for them to get clothes that fit them with the style they want, make it harder for them to find love because they fear no one will ever appreciate them for who they are, and then make it so this is actually true. Make them mess up because they think everyone wants to be romantically involved with them. 

Is your character very naturally talented at various things, like singing? Make it so they're not used to failure, or putting effort into things half the time. Make it so they get at least a bit frustrated, and/or anxious at not being good. Make it so they feel superior sometimes, make it so they put a lot of faith into them being perfect at this thing if that's the kind of person they are. And of course, technique is always going to be a bit faulty without training. 

Is your character very smart? Have them be quick to justify even their bad actions with logic. Have them be terrible to other people, accidentally or not because it was simply the correct choice, because it made sense. Have them constantly be thinking about too many things with a logical eye, make it so it's sometimes difficult for them to enjoy certain things, so that they feel used by other people sometimes because of their intelligence. Make it so they feel pressured to score an A every exam. 

And these are the most obvious ones. So many of these things can be written as simultaneous flaws and present different threats to the character's reputation, relationship with other people and their interactions with the world. It is your job as a writer to use these to your advantage. 
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ItaliaNinjArtist Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
used
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MaxyIsACreepyWeeb Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hallelujah
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MatthewDaAnimeFanboy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed! I get sick of those people stereotyping fan characters for being Mary-Sues.

My reaction to these people: SkullGirls - Mad Peacock ENOUGH WITH THIS CRAP!!!!  
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xLuc-1 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2018
Agreed. I was calling some characters of mine 'Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu' NOT IRONICALLY and then I remember that if your character doesn't even have a 'Sue/Stu' feature, then it'll be an Anti-Sue/Stu, which are also bad.
As a character is only a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu if they're TOTALLY PERFECT AND FLAWLESS. My characters aren't.
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xpinkdeer04 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
A Mary Sue is defined buy there personality not there appearance 
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ElementarShadow Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2018
My Sonic OC is a tomboy and her boobs are bigger than canon female characters, but this is how it is.
I can say my OC Kathie the Badger is not a Mary Sue.

It is really rude to call someones OC to be a Mary Sue because of XY.
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Clare-Gundersen Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
FINALLY!  I'm sick of people assuming just because my character is a neko, she's a Mary Sue!
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TanukiKlaw Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Mary-Sues can actually sometimes be pretty decent characters sometimes. I have a lot of OCs that have a few Mary-Sue traits, especially having a tragic backstory (one of my OCs had to lie to one of his friends when he first met her because he was extremely untrustworthy due to his mistreatment, most of my OCs in the story I'm writing were excluded and bullied, some of my OCs were even abused, and one of my OCs' mothers died when she was a young kid). 
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JodieTheSmolDemon Featured By Owner Edited Jul 6, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ughhh, i was in the middle of telling my friend my OCs backstory once and somebody came up to me and yelled "Oh, your OC has a bad tragic background, Shes just a stupid try-hard Mary-Sue!"
i just hid the person, ended up giving a 20 minute rant to my friend-
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Captain-Freddy Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2018
What is it called when an OC is the opposite of a Mary Sue? XD
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xLuc-1 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2018
They're called 'Anti Sue' but the euS yraM comment was priceless XD
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Ludwigsacutie Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2018  Student Digital Artist
A euS yraM


Am I funny yet?
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Captain-Freddy Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2018
Yes
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:iconludwigsacutie:
Ludwigsacutie Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2018  Student Digital Artist
My life finally has a meaning.
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TheQuirkyUnicorn Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2018
A Plain Jane XD
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Captain-Freddy Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2018
XD
Is a Plain Jane best described as the least powerful character and most likely to die first?
Typically of boring backstory and is less than average in most characteristics?
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TheQuirkyUnicorn Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2018
Ya, Plain Jane's are always the least unique character and are very boring XD
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:iconcaptain-freddy:
Captain-Freddy Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2018
I think I've come up with so many of them they're all virtually the same XD
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:iconthequirkyunicorn:
TheQuirkyUnicorn Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2018
Oh wowie. XD
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:iconcaptain-freddy:
Captain-Freddy Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2018
I wrote an entire religion out of Plain Jane gods XD
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:iconthequirkyunicorn:
TheQuirkyUnicorn Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2018
Pffff XD

Well, I know which religion I'm switching to now XD
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g0resenpai Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2018
A normal, balanced and well thought-out character who's actually interesting?


Or an Anti-Sue. :hmm:
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Captain-Freddy Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2018
Is an Anti-Sue the most boring, bland, forgettable and worst at everything?
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g0resenpai Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2018
Yes.
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Captain-Freddy Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2018
I've written so many of them that I have an entire file labeled "Anti-Sue stories" with 36 documents
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AIphaWolf222 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
my friend got accused of mary sue cuz her oc has a robotic eye. i want to kill that person who says it
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SailorVelvet Featured By Owner May 19, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love how I know a person who has this stamp on her profile, and yet she literally only makes OCs to ship with characters, and doesn't even bother to flesh them out. Hypocritical much?
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Legendary--Warrior Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018   Traditional Artist
It's easier to pick on people and be mean nowadays. :grump:
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Miyuki-Tsukiyono Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2018
Being a tomboy/girly girl doesn't make a character a Mary Sue (it's just kind of cliché)
XD eso me mato
O sea que si es tomboy es sue y si es femenina también lo es
Tampoco es cliche xD lo veo muy normal 
No es como si el 85% de la población femenina lo fuese xD ya sea de una forma u otra sin importar el estilo que use 
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AutisTicTac Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I try. I desperately try. But when your name with "the hedgehog" added to it results in this piece of garbage:  why am i by AutisTicTac
You know something is very wrong with the state of fan characters.
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xXUniversalTrashXx Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I only think Mary-Sues/Gary-Stus are any characters with no realistic flaws at all (except clumsiness, which is the WORST cliche of a flaw) just being perfect. And say they are way more powerful than any character from their specific fandom.
Like remember the undertale fandom, we had some sans fangirls whose characters, and their own self have no flaws, makes them a powerful, invincible, and immortal god, and mostly use Sans for their fangirlistc sex, then kill everybody else that also likes him. In which he doesn’t care, and still falls for that character.
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LisaInezRamirez Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Joetta (my Fire Emblem OC) is a female.
She is the Maid of Altea.
She is the younger sister to Prince Marth.
She is the older twin sister to Lord Bartel.
She is the warrior.
She used to have dark blue hair, but she dyed it black.
She wears glasses.
Is she a Mary Sue?
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Lamp-Mother Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2017  Student Writer
I hate Mary Sue's/Gary Stu's with a fiery passion, but some people take this label too far. A Sue is a character that has no realistic flaws and is loved by all the characters in a story EXCEPT for the person reading the fanfic. They cannot have 2-D flaws (stuttering, quiet, an attitude, etc.). Those are traits that ANY character can posses regardless of their personality. Just like in reality, you cannot be friends with everyone and neither should a character in a story. Being beautiful, having special powers, and other silly stuff that seems to trigger readers does not make the character a Sue. In a nutshell, if the character is perfectly perfect, you might want to start changing them.

Don't make Sues, make improvements.
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Instigator12 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh believe me, I give OCs a chance but if they and/or their creators are the worst Cough AkaiDalia Cough that's where I stop giving them a chance
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Fennekin-Kurta Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2017  Student General Artist
“your Oc is a furry is she a Mary-sue!!!!!!!”
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Lamp-Mother Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2017  Student Writer
Yuck. I hate Mary Sues... When I make characters, I always make sure they have realistic flaws along with realistic strengths. I have one OC (that isn't a human) that does have some special strengths, likes to help others, and acts a bit like the center of attention, but she can be controlling and a bitch. :XD: What is a good character without realistic flaws and strengths? (She pink thank goodness and not based off of me)

Also, what's an OOC?
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Miyuki-Tsukiyono Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2018
sorry for bad grammar but the concept of a mary sue is very derivative xD
the oc can have realistic human defects and still be a mary sue or a character having multicolored hair or wings and not being mary sue everything depends on the execution on the story the concept, and even the perspective of the person
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Lamp-Mother Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2018  Student Writer
Ah! Okay. Thank you very much. :)
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Miyuki-Tsukiyono Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2018
your welcome :hug:
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dizzzydaze Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2017  Professional General Artist
I don't know what an OOC is, but if you meant OC, it means Original Character.
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Lamp-Mother Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2017  Student Writer
I know what an original character is. :XD: An OOC is Out of Character. A good example is Batman, who is super serious, dancing all of a sudden. He wouldn't do that! :laughing:
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dizzzydaze Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2017  Professional General Artist
xD Ooh okay~!!! :) Thanks for sharing~!
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Lamp-Mother Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2017  Student Writer
No problem! :D I write Fanfictions and I thought this would be valuable information. I've been writing for almost five months!
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dizzzydaze Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2017  Professional General Artist
Aa that's so cool~! :D
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:iconlamp-mother:
Lamp-Mother Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2017  Student Writer
Thanks! :D I love writing! It's so much fun! (Oh! Thanks for the watch! I'll watch you back! :D )
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