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I'd be grateful if anyone looking at this would offer an opinion. This is (obviously) the same drawing, but slightly modified in terms of proportions- with which I have a constant struggle particularly regarding head/body ratios. So I'd like to know which of the two figures looks best to other people looking at them. Do you prefer the Left, or the Right? (Note, this is not a political question). I cannot decide which, for myself.

Any comments will be much appreciated, thanks.
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Hattushilish Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014
left, makes the girl look taller and I love taller girls lol
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PlutonianKnight Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Basically Octavia's already said everything that'd I'd say - the one on the right looks more 'there' to me. More dramatic, more powerful, more attractive. The larger head makes the shoulders seem bigger, which makes the character appear more powerful and muscular. But paradoxically the larger head also makes her seem shorter and somehow more cute - perhaps because I associate slightly too-big heads with Disney and manga, both of which are built on cute characters.

I think you've got it both ways with the one on the right. Although it's not like the one on the left sends me screaming off into the night clawing at my eyes, either...
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Thanks PK!

Funny thing is, to my eyes the larger head makes the shoulders look too narrow...

This particular issue is probably the biggest one I have with figures. If I could find my happy medium it would be some kind of Great Leap Forward for me :(
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PlutonianKnight Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Really, they both look great. I'd have never even noticed if you hadn't put them side by side like that. I'd say this problem could be reimagined as flexibility...one more way to make characters look like individuals. Some of 'em can have slightly bigger or smaller heads than others.

If this is your biggest issue with figures, I'll add that to my List of Reasons to be Jealous of Jaxtraw.
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Both heads are a bit too small, plus, it seems to me that her hips are turned too far to her right, in other words we seem to be looking straight on her hips while the rest of her body is turned away from us.  Otherwise, though, the anatomy is good, better than I can often muster.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Yes, I've gone into one of my tiny heads phases again it seems. The hips are attempting to show that they're tilted. It might be improved by moving her navel, which is probably too far over to the left...
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
It's not terribly obvious.  The small head is a much greater issue.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Part of the problem is my big boobs "style". The smaller the body is, the smaller the boobs are, and that tends to push me in the opposite direction. Past couple of weeks I've been, er, studying the 90s pornstar Tiffany Towers as a model, since she was a good combination of unfeasible boobs on a petite, slim body.
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Yeah, I've always found that weird, since, to me, the breasts are never a factor when it comes to proportions, since they're basically an anatomical add-on.  I tend to draw people from the musculature up, and since there's no muscle in breast tissue, they don't always get included when framing out a figure.  Granted, I've become really comfortable drawing the human female form, so nowadays I can sort of skip ahead and often do include the breasts from the start, but when I was still fighting to get my anatomy right, I usually didn't.  And even today, it's sometimes necessary to skip them.  Regardless, though, always start with the head.  I have to.  The size of the head literally determines the proportions for the rest of the body.  Not all artists do this, but, honestly, I've never figured out how they can start elsewhere and get anything right.  If I have to erase the head for some reason, I usually end up starting completely over.  I just cannot draw a proper head on an existing body.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Edited Jun 27, 2014
You don't have fans expecting boobs as big as mine ;)

I always put them on last too, but the ribcage requirements tend to factor in. since they're a major feature and where they're going to go (being big ones, they're going to have a form and er, flop, rather than just sit there like two half oranges kind of thing) is something I'm thinking about from the start. So it just generally tends to push the body towards too big rather than too small.

In a sense for instance, this-

jaxtraw2.deviantart.com/art/Lu…

-is basically a picture of a pair of boobs, with a person attached :D
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
All that is true, and you certainly have to keep them in mind, compositionally, but anatomically, they shouldn't factor in much when framing the figure (except that large-breasted women are more traditionally curvier than small-breasted women).  Yes, you have to factor in gravity, and not let the breasts trick you into elongating the upper body, but that's not where your problem lies, at least not here.  The head-size is really the only factor with this piece and I can't help but wondering if your emphasis on the breasts isn't what's throwing you off.  Like, maybe you're drawing the body in proportion to the boobs instead of the head.  Try drawing her with normal-sized boobs, like a B-cup, then then enlarging them once you've got the rest of the body sketched in.
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ElmoSnard Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014
If you're doing superheroes, the one on the left. If you're doing erotica, the one on the right.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Thanks Elmo!
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Octavia-Moon Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Larger heads are 'cuter' - which is to do with our biological imperative to find babies cute (they have bigger heads, proportionally) - the same applies to bigger eyes and smaller mouths (don't tell Angelina). Longer legs are also considered more attractive...that's more cultural though. So, my feeling is that those who commented that the torso is "too long" are probably right (although it's all subjective)...it makes her look very slightly more masculine as does a thicker neck. I prefer the one on the right - it may simply be that the slightly larger head makes her neck look slightly thinner, which, in turn, makes her looks slightly more feminine :)
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Thanks Octavia. This is something I always struggle with, because I seem to be pulled in two different directions, one towards "dramatic proportion" and the other towards more what I find appealing, which is the more cute end of the spectrum. The problem is that the cute end then starts to look "stumpy", so I start shrinking the heads again... it's an endless conundrum for me.
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thelovelyfreak Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
i think  both are valid body types just the one on the left looks a little taller like 5'10 and the one on the right looks about 5'4. but that just might be me.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Okay, that's a useful perspective, thanks.
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Ctrl-Alt-Dlt-Drawing Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think that both look correct, it's more a matter of what you are trying to depict in terms of the size of the character. What I notice most is the difference in the size of the heads. The smaller head gives the impression that the character is taller. If you look at basketball players you can see that much of the time, their heads seem smaller in compared to the rest of their anatomy, when looked at in contrast with someone of a more average height stature, etc. Thus, giving the impression of being much taller.

I don't think that either of the drawings has any advantages over the other, it's more a matter of what you are trying to portray the character as, in terms of stature.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Thanks for the help!
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Ferres Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014   Digital Artist
I don't think it mattered much. Depends on what the character is. Smaller head suggest a taller girl. I prefer the right one though. Tall but not 'Brienne of Tarth' tall.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Thanks. That's interesting, because I'm actually trying to aim at "not tall at all", like under 5'6". So maybe both head/body ratios are wrong for that...
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Ferres Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014   Digital Artist
5'6"?
Well, you'll need to shorten her torso by 5 to 10 percent and enlarge the head by same ratio. Legs are fine as is.
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arvalis Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
The differences are so minimal that I actually had to take it into photoshop and overlay them onto each other to see a difference, even then not much changes.  Your proportion issue is not necessarily with head to body ratio, you gave her a really long torso.  Generally speaking the length from top of the head to base of genitals is equidistant to base of the genitals to the bottom of the heel.  So just shorten that torso a bit and that should solve most of your problems.
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guruhoro Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014
I agree with this. When I hide both of them from mid-thigh down, the right one looks better to me because the head is more in proportion with the torso. When I cover both from the armpits to the knees, the left one looks better because the head to full height ratio is good. So just shortening the torso sounds good. My suggestion would be to cut off a bit somewhere between the breasts and the navel, but I'm neither an artist nor an anatomist, so take that as you will.
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Okay thanks, that makes sense. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong part of the figure.
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NiniiDawns Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
no idea but i guess the right?
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Thanks!

By "no idea", do you mean they both look kind of okay, or are both as bad as each other? :)
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NiniiDawns Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
i meant it that the diffrence is VERY small
i placed them over eachother and saw the right was a little smaller
but with no idea i meant that before i didnt see a diffrence at all.
maybe exagerrate it a little more to see what happens 
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jaxtraw2 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Well, it's all about very subtle differences. I may have become too attuned and thus obsessed with them. The head on the right looks much bigger than the one on the left to me :)
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NiniiDawns Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
a little yes but eh x D
i guess youll figure it out haha
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