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Roman vs Dacian
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Published: July 8, 2012
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Historical portfolio painting. Photoshop.
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B4LD3RHobbyist Traditional Artist
i'm not sure the lorica covered the arms at the time
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jasonjutaProfessional Digital Artist
The Romans ended up using it due to the Dacian falx.
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B4LD3RHobbyist Traditional Artist
same reason they reinforced the helmets part of their equipment.
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AMELIANVSStudent Traditional Artist
Which time?By "lorica" you possibly mean specifically segmental form of armor?But that is(modernly)called lorica segmentata/laminata."Lorica" alone is not identifiing specifically this type of armour.That word simply means "an armour(any armour) and all major types of Roman used armours are called "lorica" with only that 2nd part acrually refering to specific type(L.segmentata,L.squamata,L.hamata...).This is meant to be late 1st,early 2nd century and at that time segmental arm protector was safely in use(as additional protection used by some soldiers not all).
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B4LD3RHobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, i just used the latin term to say armour, the equipment of the legionary as far as i know never covered their arms, during the whole Roman History!
AMELIANVS's avatar
AMELIANVSStudent Traditional Artist
What you see on the picture is historical not some fantasy invention by the artist.Modernly its called "Manica"(latin for "sleeve,how Romans themselves called it is uknown).This arm protector is safely recorded to be used by the Roman army since at least second half of the 1st century to 5th century and it was used also as leg protection next to arms.We have both original Roman pictures of it as well as written account describing it.Outside of Roman army it existed for even much longer time.Nomadic tribes of Euro-Asia are likely its original inventors and it was already in Persian use during Achaemenid dynasty.Greeks adopted it from the Persians and used it typically in their heavy cavalry.This was likely where Romans saw it for the 1st time with Roman gladiators probably being first to use it in the Roman Empire.
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B4LD3RHobbyist Traditional Artist
Woah! Thanks for the many infos dude! I just knew the gladiator's manica, made in padded cloth
AMELIANVS's avatar
AMELIANVSStudent Traditional Artist
Well,several preserved pictures are also showing metalic manicae.
freeees's avatar
Going to war in a cape, didnt Roman generals also had capes...
AMELIANVS's avatar
AMELIANVSStudent Traditional Artist
"Capes" were used by all Roman soldiers regardless rank.But under normal conditions not in combat of course.
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CyrodilicPenguinHobbyist Artist
the poses are excellent! well done! and it's also good to see a piece that doesn't depict the Dacians as the stereotypical barbarian.
Autonin's avatar
I'm interested in learning more about how you decided to armor the Dacian, and in approximately what century you'd place this.  From what little research I've been able to do so far, the use of scale as an armor was very rare, with the exception of the Byzantines (where it was just somewhat rare :) ).  Its use died out by the 4th or 5th century, from what I can tell.

Don't get me wrong, scale is dead-sexy, and I ask not to criticize in the least - but rather to find more sources of information which I hope you'll have.

I'm working on a set of scale armor for the SCA to wear initially as garb (but I'm making it sturdy enough to fight, should I decide to), and want to figure out what Period it would be, and then try to keep as close to that period as possible.

Thanks for sharing your awesome work, and for whatever information you can provide on your inspiration for this excellent picture!
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jasonjutaProfessional Digital Artist
Thanks Autonin - to be honest, it's been so long, I can't remember, I didn't save my research - but I have the Osprey book 'Rome's Enemies 1', which has a pretty similiar figure on the cover and lists it as a chieftain from the 2nd century AD. I probably used that book as my main reference. It helped pick me up work for Medieval Warfare magazine, so I hope they would have pointed out any errors in it.
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AMELIANVSStudent Traditional Artist
It is absolutely obvious from depicted Roman gear this is around 100 AD and given to the fact he fightin a Dacian it is surely during one of two Trajanic campaigns against Kingdom of Dacia during very statr of the 2nd century.Use of scale was normal and very common in the Roman army.Also Trajanic legionaries(and auxiliaries)used it in great numbers as well as Roman cavalry although it was never so common like for example chain male-Roman amy historicaly the most traditional armour type.Scale was definitely used by Barbarian tribes as well.Dacians were not an exception although conditions in barbarian armies were of course quite different than in Roman army so in general most barbarian combatatants could not simply afford having metallic armour.Personally I dont use term "Byzantines"(because of its total artificial and biassed reasons for which it was fabricated 100 years after fall of the eastern part of the Roman Empire and used for the first time to reffer survived part of the very same Roman state in England only in 1857).Scale armour definitely continued to be used both at East as well as at the West until very end of the medieval times although during high middleages in the west on still more smaller parts of equipment.
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YamaLlama1986 Digital Artist
Great detail. :)
ACEnBEAKY's avatar
I've rarely seen romans with metal armor that covered their arms. However, this design still looks totally realistic.
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jasonjutaProfessional Digital Artist
Thanks. They tended to wear it when fighting the Dacians, due to potential injuries from a falx.
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cronosx2008Hobbyist Digital Artist
Elegant
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DgarauzHobbyist Traditional Artist
Good work.
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Ragnarok6664Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Annother people soon to be trampled :(
WolfwithGlasses's avatar
didn´t the roman soldiers also wear bracers on their legs?
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AMELIANVSStudent Traditional Artist
If you mean that hand protection you see here-yes but Roman cavalry.
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