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Roman vs Dacian by jasonjuta Roman vs Dacian by jasonjuta
Historical portfolio painting. Photoshop.
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B4LD3R Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i'm not sure the lorica covered the arms at the time
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jasonjuta Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
The Romans ended up using it due to the Dacian falx.
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B4LD3R Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
same reason they reinforced the helmets part of their equipment.
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AMELIANVS Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
Which time?By "lorica" you possibly mean specifically segmental form of armor?But that is(modernly)called lorica segmentata/laminata."Lorica" alone is not identifiing specifically this type of armour.That word simply means "an armour(any armour) and all major types of Roman used armours are called "lorica" with only that 2nd part acrually refering to specific type(L.segmentata,L.squamata,L.hamata...).This is meant to be late 1st,early 2nd century and at that time segmental arm protector was safely in use(as additional protection used by some soldiers not all).
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B4LD3R Featured By Owner Edited Mar 12, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, i just used the latin term to say armour, the equipment of the legionary as far as i know never covered their arms, during the whole Roman History!
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AMELIANVS Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
What you see on the picture is historical not some fantasy invention by the artist.Modernly its called "Manica"(latin for "sleeve,how Romans themselves called it is uknown).This arm protector is safely recorded to be used by the Roman army since at least second half of the 1st century to 5th century and it was used also as leg protection next to arms.We have both original Roman pictures of it as well as written account describing it.Outside of Roman army it existed for even much longer time.Nomadic tribes of Euro-Asia are likely its original inventors and it was already in Persian use during Achaemenid dynasty.Greeks adopted it from the Persians and used it typically in their heavy cavalry.This was likely where Romans saw it for the 1st time with Roman gladiators probably being first to use it in the Roman Empire.
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B4LD3R Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Woah! Thanks for the many infos dude! I just knew the gladiator's manica, made in padded cloth
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AMELIANVS Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
Well,several preserved pictures are also showing metalic manicae.
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Kellkrull87 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2018
:) (Smile) :) (Smile) 
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freeees Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2015
Going to war in a cape, didnt Roman generals also had capes...
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AMELIANVS Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
"Capes" were used by all Roman soldiers regardless rank.But under normal conditions not in combat of course.
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CyrodilicPenguin Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
the poses are excellent! well done! and it's also good to see a piece that doesn't depict the Dacians as the stereotypical barbarian.
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Autonin Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015
I'm interested in learning more about how you decided to armor the Dacian, and in approximately what century you'd place this.  From what little research I've been able to do so far, the use of scale as an armor was very rare, with the exception of the Byzantines (where it was just somewhat rare :) ).  Its use died out by the 4th or 5th century, from what I can tell.

Don't get me wrong, scale is dead-sexy, and I ask not to criticize in the least - but rather to find more sources of information which I hope you'll have.

I'm working on a set of scale armor for the SCA to wear initially as garb (but I'm making it sturdy enough to fight, should I decide to), and want to figure out what Period it would be, and then try to keep as close to that period as possible.

Thanks for sharing your awesome work, and for whatever information you can provide on your inspiration for this excellent picture!
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jasonjuta Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks Autonin - to be honest, it's been so long, I can't remember, I didn't save my research - but I have the Osprey book 'Rome's Enemies 1', which has a pretty similiar figure on the cover and lists it as a chieftain from the 2nd century AD. I probably used that book as my main reference. It helped pick me up work for Medieval Warfare magazine, so I hope they would have pointed out any errors in it.
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AMELIANVS Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
It is absolutely obvious from depicted Roman gear this is around 100 AD and given to the fact he fightin a Dacian it is surely during one of two Trajanic campaigns against Kingdom of Dacia during very statr of the 2nd century.Use of scale was normal and very common in the Roman army.Also Trajanic legionaries(and auxiliaries)used it in great numbers as well as Roman cavalry although it was never so common like for example chain male-Roman amy historicaly the most traditional armour type.Scale was definitely used by Barbarian tribes as well.Dacians were not an exception although conditions in barbarian armies were of course quite different than in Roman army so in general most barbarian combatatants could not simply afford having metallic armour.Personally I dont use term "Byzantines"(because of its total artificial and biassed reasons for which it was fabricated 100 years after fall of the eastern part of the Roman Empire and used for the first time to reffer survived part of the very same Roman state in England only in 1857).Scale armour definitely continued to be used both at East as well as at the West until very end of the medieval times although during high middleages in the west on still more smaller parts of equipment.
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YamaLlama1986 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015   Digital Artist
Great detail. :)
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ACEnBEAKY Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2014
I've rarely seen romans with metal armor that covered their arms. However, this design still looks totally realistic.
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jasonjuta Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks. They tended to wear it when fighting the Dacians, due to potential injuries from a falx.
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cronosx2008 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Elegant
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Dgarauz Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Good work.
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Ragnarok6664 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Annother people soon to be trampled :(
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WolfwithGlasses Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014
didn´t the roman soldiers also wear bracers on their legs?
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AMELIANVS Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
If you mean that hand protection you see here-yes but Roman cavalry.
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WolfwithGlasses Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
Ah I see, thanks.
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ColonelBSacquet Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
Both should wear leg and feet protection.
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kazi2000 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome !
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Jim-From-Hell Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Very impressive job!!!
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CiLiNDr0 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow! Amazing work! Love it!

I was wandering if you could let me us this image for an Android game called "Kingdoms of Myth", it's turn based strategy game based on a fantasy World. You can find a little bit more info in this rough website made by my colleges [link] (Sorry for the bad English). Of course you will have full credits of your work and link to your webpage if you want :)

Lot of thanks for your time ;)
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jasonjuta Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you, if you'd like to purchase the image for use, feel free to contact me via private message to discuss it.
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CiLiNDr0 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is a non commercial work :(, so I we can't pay :(
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NinJAZenith Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
roman win!
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reiNforcer Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014
That's what history tells you, not the truth.
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Rapsag Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
amazing!
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Vestiaritai Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Very Nice. Can You Tell Me If This Hand Drawing Or With Some Program?? Thanks :)
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jasonjuta Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
It's hand drawn and coloured, both in Photoshop. I used Daz Studio to set up 3D characters to get an idea of how the lighting and shadows would work.
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Buzzloverguy Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
my ancesters are dacians........i'm moldovian
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ianessom Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012   Digital Artist
nice
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EgilSterkr Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012
Epic!
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Bishop07 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
and i ve done a great job
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Bishop07 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Dacia is the land where i am living now,there were very brave warriors ,this land now is called , Republic of Moldova , and Romania
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gerzel Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012
Roman's got himself a nice exposed flank to stab. That's a dead Dacian.
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jasonjuta Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
It was very hard to decide how to do this - in my original image the dacian had his back to the viewer, which is realistic, but makes a pointless illustration (to show what the Dacian looks like). I'll approach this sort of picture differently in future. Of course, the Dacian could just be a rubbish fighter ;)
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Zoltesz Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
Although they were not rubbish fighters at all xD . They are one of the few opponents of Rome that made the romans supervise and change their tactics and equipment. Also, a dacian falx is told to be able to eviscerate a man in two halves.

Anyway, awesome drawing you made. Their equipment is pretty historically accurate. I also like that you curved the dacian's weapon outwards.
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RexDaciae Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The weaponry seems pretty accurate from a historical point of view, perhaps except the Dacian's ecossais-themed mantle. Also, for a more dramatic scene, I would have gone for the bad-ass two-handed falx (aka the warrior fought without the protection of the shield) instead of the one-handed falx called a sica.

All in all, great work! I might contact you for an image to use as a cover of my next historical novel ;)
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AMELIANVS Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Well we have no direct evidence those things usually considered as result of fighting the Dacians were really changed  because of Ddacians.Unfortunatelly it is often claimed as certain fact.
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jasonjuta Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you, it was the first historical work I did and taught me how important research is.
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gerzel Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012
Eh in the heat of battle things go awry.
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SPQR-FR Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012
Excellent drawing ! You even add the up-armoured arm used to protect against dacian falx as can be seen on the Adamklissi column.
But against the colder weather, shouldn't the legionnaire wears "trousers" ?
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Cromwell300 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Maybe the roman wore trousers. That typically came about in later periods with legions stationed in Europe for long periods of time. However Roman culture/fashion typically frowned on trousers as it was seen as a barbaric clothing an unbecoming of civilized people. That didn't stop legionnaires from wearing them in the cold, but whether this guy should wear them or not is up for debate depending on the situation.
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SPQR-FR Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016
Thanks for the info ;)
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