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I was asked, on Twitter, what my thoughts were on Logan Paul - specifically in terms of how he treated Japanese culture. The answer is too long for Twitter, so I'm writing it here.

For anyone not aware, Logan Paul is a man with a YouTube channel. I've not seen anything that he has ever done, nor had I even heard of him before this, despite watching a large number of YouTube channels religiously - I guess they do a good job of detecting your tastes and suggesting things to you appropriately.

But, as I understand it, he specializes in doing outrageous and shocking things. And, recently, he got himself noticed in the wider world by going to Japan and visiting Aokigahara, a forest on the backside of Mount Fuji from Tokyo, that is a popular place for people to go and commit suicide. While there, he discovered an actual suicide victim, filmed his reactions and the body, and posted the video to his channel for clicks and ad revenue.

Here in the West, this is viewed as a sort of crassness and insensitivity bordering on sociopathy - if not straight up sociopathy. This guy is trying to profit off the misfortune and grief of a family that he doesn't know, making light of the death of their beloved daughter.

I'm not Japanese and the Japanese approach to death and suicide isn't really a discussion that I ever had with anyone there. So I can't really say anything authoritatively on the subject. All of the following may be completely wrong. And even talking about "the general culture", every individual is unique and some people are going to break from the norm.

But, just from a check of Japanese language news articles and the comments beneath them, about the Logan Paul incident, I wasn't too surprised to find that there's no indication that they care too much about the incident. No article mentioned the girl's family. All of them mentioned that Paul was being punished by YouTube. The comments were all variants of, "That guy's viewers should get a better hobby." There was no outrage and very few comments or interest in the subject at all. Logan Paul isn't a name figure in Japan, his videos aren't in Japanese, and finding out that a foreigner is doing something tasteless isn't really big news from a Japanese perspective. YouTube is a large company, is well known in the country, and so the business aspect of YouTube production is of nominal newsworthiness, hence the mention of the event there.

Most notably, they aren't ashamed to find out that the outside world has discovered that Japan has a "Suicide Forest".

I think the closest parallel I might be able to think of is serial killers. The US has a lot of serial killers, compared to most other countries. If you were to discover that a Japanese person had come over and filmed all of the houses of all of the famous American serial killers - John Wayne Gacy, Albert Fish, Ed Gein, etc. - you might think it distasteful or creepy, but you wouldn't think that the person was casting a pall on American culture. While we may have a lot of serial killers compared to most other countries, it's still a long way away from being "our culture". Suicide rates might be higher in Japan, but it's not something that they're really concerned about since it's still a pretty rare event and not really an everyday concern.

I'll also note that suicide isn't viewed as a sin in the same way as it is in the West. It's more just a personal choice.

I would also speculate that the Japanese social expectations don't swerve into the "we're all community" way of thinking that we have in the West. You care about the health and welfare of your family, make sure they are supported and looked after, etc. But for other families, it's not your place to intrude. And for things happening within your family, your feelings about it shouldn't intrude on your public life, either. So I don't know that they would think about an action like earning clicks off a suicide victim's family in terms of "taking advantage of the grief of someone else's family". Whether that family is or isn't grieving is not a thing that you should be thinking about. But, likewise, doing something that does involve that family in your actions, without their consent, would be viewed as completely improper. You still would be chastised for doing something like Logan did, but the angle on why it's wrong would be just a bit different, I think.

Though, again, my understanding of Japanese culture may be wrong. With the comic, I have the excuse that it's an alternate universe.


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Chris Williams
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chriseastmids Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
many thanks for the fave ad :D
baspunk Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2018
merci :)
nickalive Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2017  Professional General Artist
grato pelos favs
wb-skinner Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2017   Photographer
thanks Chris! :horns: glad you like my shot.
Nat-ti Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much for the favorite !
viowl Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2016  Student General Artist
Thank you so much for the fav! C:

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finelyfotos Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016  Professional Photographer
Thank you so much for the favs, Chris!! <3
makkou4 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for the fav!
sintel16 Featured By Owner May 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you for liking my work :hug:
vw1956 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank You very much for the :star: on more... by vw1956 :)
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