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Fraud Protection for Points

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 4:57 AM by Heidi:iconheidi:


DeviantArt is always looking for the best ways to serve deviants, and in 2010 we introduced DeviantArt Points – our virtual currency.


Points can be used in a variety of ways, including rewarding fellow deviants for a job well done, supporting artists through commissions, buying Prints, or simply giving a gift with love.  In certain circumstances, like when earning royalties through the Commissions widget or Prints sales, Points can also be exchanged and redeemed for real money.


Any time real money is involved, there are inevitably a small number of “bad actors” who seek to game the system and take advantage of it.  To ensure the safety and security of our community when engaging in the Points ecosystem, we've recently enhanced our fraud detection tools and added new members to DeviantArt's Trust and Safety team.  With the addition of these tools and team members, we will be able to detect and investigate potential instances of Points fraud and/or bad actors abusing the system faster and more thoroughly than ever before.  In the event we find evidence of abuse that violates the Terms and Conditions for Points, we will take action accordingly.


We care deeply about our community aiming to provide all deviants with a safe and fun environment to create and grow.  This commitment to safety includes ensuring deviants have confidence when using DeviantArt Points and engaging with other deviants who do the same.  


If you have specific questions or concerns regarding Points, please submit a Help Desk ticket and someone from our Community Operations team would be happy to assist you.  




We care deeply about our community – aiming to provide all deviants with a safe and fun environment to create and grow.  This commitment to safety includes ensuring deviants have confidence when using DeviantArt Points and engaging with other deviants who do the same.
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YamiYancy Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Professional Digital Artist
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YugiohHorses Featured By Owner Edited Aug 9, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
u need to add a way to instant-report deviations without having to click on it. more clicks = more views = more popular = more people get scammed by the "click here for free points!" things.

and there's no option to report comments if u don't own the deviation/journal being commented on so there's nothing to do about the people who post scam links as comments on super popular art because they know the artist is too swamped in messages to read very single one and report stuff themselves + since it's popular art it gets a lot of views and scams a lot more people so it's win/win for them.

edit: just saw the comments and realized i'm the only person who cares about the "click here for free points!" scams. everyone else is just copy/pasting each other about dAhub. :shrug:
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yakob94 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2018  Student Filmographer
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WDWParksGal Featured By Owner May 22, 2018
I did see dAhub was back in operation. Not sure what the problem was but am glad there was a solution.
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Heidi Featured By Owner May 18, 2018
As mentioned in the "Fraud Protection for Points" journal, DeviantArt recently enhanced our fraud detection tools and added new members to our Trust and Safety team.  With those improvements, we identified activity from dAhub that required thorough investigation.  We've since addressed a number of issues and concerns with the owner of the account, and have agreed to terms that will allow dAhub to continue to operate -- permitting all terms continue to be met in the future.  

DeviantArt is committed to providing a safe and fair ecosystem for Points, ensuring deviants have confidence when using Points and engaging with other deviants who do the same.  As always, we aim to deal with disagreements and misunderstandings in an amicable and mutually beneficial way.

~Heidi
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Lilyas Featured By Owner May 23, 2018  Professional General Artist
Thank you, Heidi! I am glad to see that dAhub is back and that you managed to solve all issues with the owner.
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WinenRoses Featured By Owner May 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
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Darth-Pravius Featured By Owner May 14, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
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FathomIndigo Featured By Owner May 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
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   Why was dAhub banned? They did absolutely nothing wrong, and none of the bot's actions were against the Terms of Service. In fact, they probably did the staff a favor, since part of the money that dAhub users spent on points went to staff members.
   Furthermore, if you care about the community, then that's all the more reason to keep dAhub around! DAhub was a fair way for some users to earn points and for others to gain recognition. How is that "bad acting"?      
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FathomIndigo Featured By Owner Edited May 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
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Vincebae Featured By Owner May 13, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
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Arringtastic1992 Featured By Owner May 13, 2018   General Artist
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Xhlxo Featured By Owner May 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
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dixiedashnight8004 Featured By Owner May 12, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
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Lilyas Featured By Owner May 12, 2018  Professional General Artist
Hey Heidi, thanks for doing a good job for so many years now. I appreciate DA's concern about fraud protection which resulted in the stopping of the operations at the famous dAhub here on this site. This is my opinion on that matter:
  • The services on dAhub exist and are active for seven years now. To this date it was a very useful tool for many deviants to generate a few points and others to get real traffic and attention on their profile and galleries. It was a win/win situation, also for the point sales of DA because many artists buy points to donate them to the dA-Hub.
  • Until recently nobody of DA's Trust and Safety team cared about the point transfers at that place. WHY NOW??? It's still working the same since July 2012 (Java Bot) and the owner states that his services are compliant with DA's Terms and Conditions that haven't been updated since then.
  • I personally don't believe that there is any fraud involved in the services of dAhub. The owner made his actions transparent on his pages. He explicitly explains how his bot works and how the donated points are distributed. He is not earning any real money with it.
  • If you have an "automated fraud detection tool" in use why isn't there any result concerning the dA-Hub by now? It's down since April 17.
  • As many other deviants I am voting to keep and reactivate the services of dAhub because it's for the benefit of a lot of people and it's enhancing the community spirit.
SAVE dAhub! :icondahub:
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ERA7 Featured By Owner May 11, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
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bebinaflasica Featured By Owner May 10, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
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MooseDoggo Featured By Owner May 10, 2018   General Artist
#SaveDahub come on bruh
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Skithiiryx Featured By Owner May 9, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Guess you guys don't like money? 
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HelloStarseed Featured By Owner May 7, 2018  Professional Photographer
Kind of weird DAhub has been around this long and just now are staff having a problem with it. If they were going to have a problem, probably should have done something when DAHub first started rather than wait years after people have been using it for this long. It seems to me like they want it gone because it hinders their point sales. Staff are getting greedy.

#SaveDahub
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PastelMidnight Featured By Owner May 7, 2018  Student General Artist
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a-lxndr Featured By Owner May 7, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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BubbleTe-a Featured By Owner May 6, 2018
#SaveDahub 

just give us the damn bot.
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ValerieThePunkGirl Featured By Owner May 6, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
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BritishShally60s Featured By Owner May 5, 2018
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XxRadioactiveHeartxX Featured By Owner May 4, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
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chelours Featured By Owner May 4, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Jun-Kou Featured By Owner Edited May 4, 2018   Digital Artist
some people even used to charge money into points to get supported by dAhubs community, bet thats what you guys care mostly anyways, am i right? 

"We care deeply about our community" X^DDDD

#SaveDahub 
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Catcupcake Featured By Owner Edited May 2, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
''We care deeply about our community''
Then why is it so hard to report art thieves bitch
Also #SaveDahub 
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Catcupcake Featured By Owner May 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey :iconthundersnowolf:, if you're gonna make such a big claim (like sexism), then give me some hard evidence. Otherwise I'm gonna have to believe that you went on a triggered spree.
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:iconthundersnowolf:
ThunderSnowolf Featured By Owner May 8, 2018  Professional Filmographer
Bitch = female dog
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:iconcatcupcake:
Catcupcake Featured By Owner May 8, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Bitch also = insult
Whats your point?
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Mochaeii Featured By Owner May 4, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree but could have done without the bitch part
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:iconthundersnowolf:
ThunderSnowolf Featured By Owner May 8, 2018  Professional Filmographer
I agree. It's also kind of insulting to people like me who loves caniformes and other animals.
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Catcupcake Featured By Owner May 8, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I???? wasn't insulting you??????
Nor do I even??????? know you?????????
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Jun-Kou Featured By Owner May 3, 2018   Digital Artist
THIS
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:iconthundersnowolf:
ThunderSnowolf Featured By Owner Edited May 8, 2018  Professional Filmographer
Promoting sexists, are we?
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:iconjun-kou:
Jun-Kou Featured By Owner Edited May 8, 2018   Digital Artist
easily offended, are we?
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:iconcatcupcake:
Catcupcake Featured By Owner Edited May 8, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
How in the absolute fuck am I sexist?
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SilverOfTheLunar Featured By Owner Edited May 2, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
''We care deeply about our community''

So let me understand this correctly

>You butcher most of the rules and even today allot are broke
> can't 3rd party report 
>butcher the membership price and still insists that sometimes we can't use PayPal because you somehow annoyed them
> fire allot of staff 
> sells sites off for money but hey was not enough

>everything must be a gamble guyz! ''


DA hub was not doing anything harmful, you of all sites should know that not everyone can buy points or do not wish to pay a site that claims it cares when clearly that is not the case.
I may not use DA hub but it's a better option for younger people out there that can't simply ask the family to pay for this site.

But please do go on and claim ''
We care deeply about our community'' everytime you make a drastic and not well through plan.
By all means please do continue to make this site more last legs then it is , I can't imagine how much legs you have to buy this site.

If people want to claim ''who pissed in you're'' stuff then you clearly have not been around since the start of this site or for me since 2008. 



patreon is a fine example of caring for a community, i suggest taken a page out of their book but hey even year after year that is hard to ask for.


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ThunderSnowolf Featured By Owner Edited May 8, 2018  Professional Filmographer
People are still blaming the staff who got fired for what the current staff are doing so it's also unfair how innocent people who did nothing to provoke this community still got persecuted.
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ShinyMajesticSuicune Featured By Owner May 2, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
#SaveDahub 
I hate to be that person, but DAHub was great. Users who were unable to buy points, or sell commissions, adopts, ect could actually earn points.

To the staff of DA, please, just let DAHub continue their operations. It is highly unfair. I do understand that real money is involved with points, however, I believe DA Hub was a great way to earn them. People donate points to be featured, individuals gave llamas, favorites and watches in exchange for points. It was a decent system. It's like paying for Ad-Space.
Yes, it probably was abused by some, but maybe a better system could be used? What if the creator of the bot added a long cool down, so users could only earn points every so often? Maybe add a requirement for accounts to be active longer before they are allowed to earn points? That way, if someone keeps making new accounts to cheat the system, they would have to wait much longer to be able to get their points. The requirement could help discourage people from making alternate accounts to earn points.

I hope the DA Staff reads this, and takes into consideration. The decision to close DAHub can hurt the community.

People can't get points (or don't have Paypal) > Can't commission artists, buy adopts, ect > Artists can't get paid for their work/ Don't get commissioned often because users can't pay > Artists can't afford the things they'd like (PTU Bases, Adopts, commissions from other's, CORE, digital content) > People can't even buy CORE

It's a cycle. People can't live on just donations! And, some users can't sell anything to earn points!
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FanficLoverArtMaster Featured By Owner May 2, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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ashleykitten4 Featured By Owner May 1, 2018
Hurry up DA staff, i need DAhub to be back online. you have taken long enough 

#savedAhub2k18 #SaveDahub 
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