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A little refresher for my watchers!

Sun May 22, 2016, 7:48 AM


Just wanted you guys to know how I run things here on deviantart. I know for some reason got very surprised about the recent events. 

And due to that let me relink you to my rip off policy.  I will steal your design and sell it. Is my answer : I to this strange stuff thats been happening. 
SO my watchers, customers, friends, supporters and cool peoples. If you see any fake version or rip off and such, don't interact with them. Just link me and i'll blacklist them. : D and I'll paint a much better and beautiful version of it and sell it. Oh i'll just change one little detail of it too. 
** I will also find your Orignal character that you hold dear and sell a better version of it.  
I know what its like to have your characters and ideas stolen made for profit. Right now someone makes 2000 dollars a month off me : I. I don't appreciate it if its being done to my customers, my supporters, and my peeps.  
I think its time for you guys to learn what it's like to be profited off from. I'll be the unclassy one. 
If anyone else wants to get in on this plan but want to keep it quiet just contact me on skype. 
I mean there's others ways to get fame and money and create meaningful artwo
 I want you to read this. 

And understand I take this very seriously. There are some criteria I will do before I run this policy. 

1. I will check with whoever is currently on with my taum squad. 
2. I will check with the owner of the taum. 
3. I will review all details.
  -Is there gallery a mess of different styles and only adopts? 
  -Is it painted all the sudden compared to normal are work they done? Is the bg of the creature suddenly very different than all their other work? 
  -Is it part owl or bird the same as the taum? 
  -Is it the same colors ? patterns? Like literally if its just the same base and with a bit of maybe changes here and there thats a yes to me. 
  -Does it have the double mouth all of the sudden when nothing in gallery has one? 
  -When is it's date of posting? (if close or too close) 
 Each answer will create a yes or no, and the taum owners/taum squads reaction if negative, will affect my judgement. 

Then i will run it or not. And understand I will do the same thing as the offender does. I will take all the colors and design and reshape it. Different bone structure, texture and all. Or same structure with slightly off colors. 

Now you are free to judge to see if you like this policy. Any second offenders, I will do this and next time I will do it with full on MOXY of real money. 



Now understand that this policy is very different. It's an eye for an eye tooth for a tooth policy. And I personally find this policy the best way to combat thievery here on da. Deviantart is known for its theft, it was a long 2 years before I brought taums over cause.. well yeah. 


But as time went on I created stuff to help the artists and my watchers get better than those who rather do cheap shitty things. You guys have been great. I've been able to share my advice, in hopes that one day you guys will beat the crap out of my art. To be better than me, my taums, and my own self.  What if I told you [Updated]that you could have more watchers, have greater art, have commissions, and be cooler than me? Cooler than other artists that are your idols, your inspiration. 
You can! heck most of you got the potential to be! Just have to deal with time and work. 
In the meantime, I decided to compile up my advice here into an easy access journal for all you guys. Some artists have commented on these as well sharing their experiences and though process. If you are ever bored or do want that information go ahead and give these a read! 
Commission Advice: 
1. Death Months (when commissions will always be scarce)
2. Drop Point Commissions (for those who wondering why they can't get cash) 
3. Know Your Limit
4.
 

Heck maybe one day you'll be able to create a better policy than me on this thing but so far not so much : D. 



I mean a lot of peeps out there who don't currently watch me follow this kind of thought process here:  Chasing Money and fame :D a how to.**thought i'd share with you guys my powerful awesome knowledge. (again)
Want money? want fame? 
Look whats popular out there! see it study it! copy it! Copy the hell out of it! 
Who cares about making your art good! if you can make cheap copies of what you want for money who caresss!! MONEY FAME MONNNEEEHHHH! 
PEOPLE WILL LIKE YOUUU! yes! just by this you can get all the favs and watches and all the popularity!  
JUST FOLLOW MY FOOTS STEPS AND I SHALL LEAD YOU TO THE FAME AND MONEEEHHH 
Who cares about doing art for yourself. Who cares about studying up and making your art better and nicer! its not about art! NO. NEVER. its about selling adopts for the rest of your life. 
Anatamy? WHat You don't need that shit! Kick it to the curve. Anime is all you need! since thats popular!!  
Also remember to use other peoples ideas!! : D I've given someone ideas before!  They gets lots of money for it! SO you guys can follow that same path! 
If you have
  Be wary of these folks y'know they actually do this Xd.. 

its a joke but it's real. 


On side note clearly my policy doesn't win me browny points. But if I was worried about how I looked to others I wouldn't be here as I am right now would I ? 


So fellow artists, who have given me their time of day to understand.. Thank you! And if you feel like this stuff does offend you or you feel unsafe please know that I'm sorry to have made you feel that way. 

Also know if you ever have a burning need to do a taum, you can always freely due fanart of them thats.. usually the best way to fend off those feelings.

Side note: lesson here is just don't steal : D and this will never have to happen. I'm heading out for a date so, just calm down a bit before ya post Xd




Pt 2  Hoo boy! Okay pt.2Alrighty. Alrighty. 
So. My policy is fake, false, a harsh cruel joke. 
A lesson. Its a full on simulator, or simulation of how it will feel like to be stolen from and profited from. It's all a magic illusion. or a prank.
So. Here is the process: 
Someone steals a taum. I get note, i chat with everybody on taum squad and taum owner.  If negative.  I will create an exact copy but not exact copy of the person's oc or adopt. 
When that happens I have a group of people. A bunch of friends who will bid on this! So no random stranger gets the adopt. It literally wouldn't sell or make money or profit. 
They win the fake adopt, and then i delete it and go to the artist and talk about what happened and how it felt like and then moving forward the artist will move forward hopefully with doing new art and being themselves instead of chasing money and fame. 
So.. if thats too long to read and its tough.. 
This is what i was doing. 
I'm sorry i was


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The-Ringo-Zebra Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
its kinda fun watching how many people don't read >.> <.< 

other than that giggle i read through your journals , if i could write half as well as you i would be pleased XD
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Its just how it is, xd. And thank you! I appreciate it.
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The-Ringo-Zebra Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
most true 
i need to get that beat into me still that thats how humanity is XD 

and no problem ! its the little things right? :D
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Thalliumfire Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Student Digital Artist
so .. and ... in the name of _this_ you stole onigirys fursona and just attemted to sell it?! 0o
without having talked to her before!? 0o"""
what is this about? is she not 'worthy' that you talk to her or so??
i know oni for a few years and she never stole anything. you might have needed to talk to her before doing shit like this
no, wait, actually: you should not do this at all to another human being.
we have JRs stolen , reposted, ripped off all the time. we deal with it - but we do so without stealing from them.
because that would put us as low as the thiefes.

i really liked your work to this point.
but even your nice art can not undo this action ...

sometimes i feel like people forget that we are interacting with people here- with real human beings, and not just icons and nicknames.
you are hurting feelings here, and the worst thing about this: you are beating the shit out of a person who doesen't deserve it.
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Thalliumfire Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Student Digital Artist
so. summing it up again:
you stole another artists, another huamn beings, dearest character . to sell it. WITHOUT having talked to them, without good evidence or anything?
you know what? : just no :]

i hope you at least had the curage to go and apologize to oni.
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Hey if ya buds with them you'll know! : D but if i think about it they dont want any drama about this so. 

And i guess ya didnt read the rest but! Thanks for input again! 
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Thalliumfire Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Student Digital Artist
it is about an apology here. not about drama. the one causing the drama was you :/ ....
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
My apology is next peep gets a note. A lesson learned. We all good.
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Thalliumfire Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Student Digital Artist
...... so you do not even apologize to oni? man a simple note would be enough.
just to show that you realized your mistake!?
you should really have enough selfesteem
seing you continousily act this infantile and refuse to even apologize to the person who really deserves your apology here actually really makes me sick....
have a nice day.
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
You know i just did say i made a mistkae right? And that in the future it will be fixed

I do suggest blowing off steam else where cause this is how far ill stay atm i didnt even mention oni's name once on this journal.

So that must mean there is a journal elsewhere.

Thanks for sticking up for ya buddy. But really. Thats all i have on the subject.
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tortaleenie Featured By Owner May 23, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
um look I'm just gonna throw in my 2 cents here but..

 -Is it painted all the sudden compared to normal are work they done? Is the bg of the creature suddenly very different than all their other work? 
  -Is it part owl or bird the same as the taum?
 

This isn't really a fair method at all? People like to experiment! If they are suddenly doing a painting style or drawing new things it's hardly fair to assume they are copying YOU, as for the owls and bird type thing that's also super biased. Owls and other birds exist and are a source of inspiration for a lot of artists! Your species is inspired BY them so just because someone draws an owl shouldn't lead you to assume they are stealing from you? I just, this whole series of events lately has been super confusing and childish idk.
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BIitzey Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
MY two cents I guess. but I REALLY dont think this should be your method of going about things. It's going to bring so much negativity to you and possibly your squad :c Lowering yourself down to the thief's level isn't the way to go about this. Especially since there's always the chance for someone to be wrongfully "convicted". I think perhaps you should just take names and maybe put them on a warning list of some sorts. Unfortunately there isn't one good way to deal with thievery, but I think this method may just cause more drama :C
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CoastHarbour Featured By Owner Edited May 22, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, before I say anything else, I want to make it clear that I do respect you. I know you have the intentions of looking out for your community, the members, and your work, and it's good that you care so much about them and want to do whatever you can to protect them. Not all species owners do this. 
Honestly, I don't think this will be an effective way of discouraging theft or dealing with it. There's some factors to this that could seriously make a potential future situation get much worse. Such as when coincidences occur. There are bound to be incidents where a character is created that shares similarities to another's character, but without even meaning to! Like some characters are created and they accidentally have a similar color scheme to another character or similar physical traits; this happens, and it's not always a case of stealing. If this were to occur in the Taum community, a case of pure coincidence misidentified as a case of stealing, then the situation could severely worsen if you took that character away and in addition stole and copied the "violator's" own original character and tried to sell both. Plus, it's just immoral to take someone's creation, which they put a lot of love and effort into, just to give them a taste of their own medicine. From what I read, it sounds like this policy was enacted just to show future stealers how it feels to have a creation stolen, in addition to trying to protect your community.
And why try to sell a copied/stolen character? What will happen when a buyer of yours finds out that a creation that they bought from you is just a copy of something else? They'll most likely want a refund, because people want and expect to buy original designs from you. You have a lot of talent and are capable of making incredible designs; you should not have to resort to copying just to retaliate against a violator of stealing. And I understand that this action isn't necessary unless someone steals, but the fact is you're still going to do it when someone DOES steal, or some case of pure coincidence happens, where a design accidentally looks similar to someone else's.
I think it'd be wise to hear out what your community members and watchers have to say. I know some commenters have been pretty disrespectful and harsh, but the others are trying to look out for you. It might save you a lot of trouble to consider implementing a different policy. There are definitely better, more efficient, and more respectable ways to combat theft.
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Everybody will know. Its just that easy, coincidence do occur but theres a list up there with 8-10 people who will review the images and judge witheach criteria. 

At most this will never happen. Sorry for the stress!
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Foxxies Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the thing you're missing is this following process:
You sell a taum, the customer loves it. 
Person A sees this and decides that they too can profit. They make a rip off of it..
Person B sees the design and buys it because they love the design. Person B goes about life normally. 
Person A has made their profit. They either stop there or keep making rip offs. 
You see that Person A has done this and you decide to rip off the design Person B purchased. 
Person B later on sees someone with a design close to theirs. And now it's a bigger issue than it might have been. Because now Person B has been inexplicably taken advantage of and then harmed because they didn't know and then was punished for the actions of Person A. 
Can you try and explain how that is fair? You need to go to the source of the problem, Person A. Not punish Person B. 
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Frist person. Unless this is like months or years ago??? And i beleive taum owmer wouldmt care by then. Thank you for the comment. 
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ahnabee Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
you know how there are seriously a ton of studies that show that the risk of jail and capital punishment doesn't deter people from committing crimes, because people will do whatever they think they can get away with? have you realized that you're one of those people? the people stealing your designs do it because they think they can get away with it. you're aiming to prove them wrong by doing something you think you can get away with, too. the problem is, you're both in the wrong and you both can still be punished for your actions.

it actually almost seems like you're just looking for excuses to steal people's designs, if you honestly have no problem doing it.
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Why would i have to steal anyways? ? If theres no theft theres no deal. 

I know im just a random peep to you, wjat i say now to you won't matter much. But i can tell you this, i dont need other peoples styles, characters or adopts to make my own artwork like others.

hell i still paint and habe fun otherwise. Thank ya for your input though 
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ahnabee Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
i can tell you don't need to steal - but you kind of make it sound like something you're looking forward to. at least to me, you're really kind of making it seem like you know you're too big to suffer any consequences from it, and so you'll do it just because you can, because it may be fun, provided you have a "reason" to back up why you're doing it, which will lessen the amount of backlash you'll get. just seems really convoluted and underhanded to me, tbh. 
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ahnabee Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
although that does a better job at clarifying what you plan on doing, i'm sure you understand that you've lost a lot of your trustworthiness because of this. i'm really not sure if i believe it, and honestly since this is still your policy, it's probably in my own best interests if i assume the worst.
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
I .. will be honest.. I don't know who you are really on this part of the internet scap. You haven't been a customer before.. no have i seen you around in my gallery or interactions.. 


so when it comes to trust and stuff, i can see why the reaction from you as is.  i made this journal so people can judge and react as they want to and decide to stay or leave. I can't convince people things they don't want to beleive in or chat about anyways Xd.. all i got is what i have .. i think thats all. 
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ahnabee Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
oh, i used to watch your journals and polls! up to this point, i really admired your professionalism and the advice you gave to other artists. i was mostly trying to refer to how saying "i will steal your oc" sets up a big "not trustworthy" flag. even if someone i'd been interacting with for years had said that, i'd want to distance myself from them.

but, it's pretty obvious we're not going to agree on much in terms of your policy. i just hope you won't be taught a lesson the same way you're trying to teach others.
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ahnabee Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
thank you!
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Fumi-LEX Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
This is well worded and I agree XwX
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ahnabee Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
thank you!
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leotines Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Student Digital Artist
You're trying to fight fire with fire, here. That only makes more fire and that tells everyone else, "Hey, let's ALL go make some more fire!"
Saying we shouldn't steal when you're happy to do so yourself is literally hypocrisy. If you're fine with that, then discussion with you is a moot point.
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MrGremble Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
happy this...
isnt how you combat art theft, my man
itll do nothing but add flame to the fire, i should know..
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Before everbody was a-okay, heck ive seen you deal with this and it always seed to not really work on your end and you've been super nice. With this no one will even bother in the future for this. 
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MrGremble Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
because i assumed it wasnt really super serious i guess?? Plus i've kind of grown out of how i was in the past, things change yah know?
i just dont think that fighting fire with fire is the solution

yes ive dealt with this, but i tried my best to muster it out, not make it worse!
listen, sometimes you have to realize that poking at the hornets nest is only going to cause a mess, you need to seriously find alternatives before you consider attacking people who are sometimes oblivious to this type of stuff. You have to be slightly empathetic to them and find out a more compromising solution.

you need to talk to the person in a civilized manner, tell them how you feel and find a compromise. Blatantly taking from others helps no one and ruins your name and business. Itll just cause an unnecessary shitstorm that i know for a fact that you do not want.



how i handle a situation like this is simple, you either talk with them privately about it like a civil adult or simply ignore it, if it gets worse, then thats when you gather all the evidence you have and fight for your rights.
i know that stuff like this is hard to turn your cheek to, but you need to realize that whatever people make as a "rip off" isnt a taum no matter how hard they try. People who make rip offs are already looked down upon, they do the job of making themselves look silly for you, so dont stoop as low as them.

this is also a little hard to say to, i dont mean to wreck your buttcheeks, but you gotta realize that not everything you do is deemed entirely original, what you create has probably already been done before, you need to know where your boundaries are on things. Ive accepted the fact that some parts to a grem are generic and i cant attack people for using things that are already generic in its own, you have to accept that too, my man. What they do isnt going to hurt your business in anyway, so just take the time to talk it out and find a better way instead of going full force with guns blazing xD

the guns are last resort eve;
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
thanks gren for the chat, no worries chatted with fum and of course i'd be noting first or any others. 

I've dealt with similiar designs before and of course no one would see or bother with it cause well I did what you chatted about. This is when those things don't work. 
Hoo boy! Okay pt.2Alrighty. Alrighty. 
So. My policy is fake, false, a harsh cruel joke. 
A lesson. Its a full on simulator, or simulation of how it will feel like to be stolen from and profited from. It's all a magic illusion. or a prank.
So. Here is the process: 
Someone steals a taum. I get note, i chat with everybody on taum squad and taum owner.  If negative.  I will create an exact copy but not exact copy of the person's oc or adopt. 
When that happens I have a group of people. A bunch of friends who will bid on this! So no random stranger gets the adopt. It literally wouldn't sell or make money or profit. 
They win the fake adopt, and then i delete it and go to the artist and talk about what happened and how it felt like and then moving forward the artist will move forward hopefully with doing new art and being themselves instead of chasing money and fame. 
So.. if thats too long to read and its tough.. 
This is what i was doing. 
I'm sorry i was
 this was the real deal behind the policy made in jan. I have some hidden buds that would've taken care of the bidding and then after i would take it down and chat with the folk if they didn't comply previous stuff. 

-smacks lips- no hard feels on my side. so no worries 
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MrGremble Featured By Owner May 22, 2016
-pokes yer lips- well thats when you gotta ignore and just show that taums are the best ;w;
and bb you dont joke about that ;;

that can be rly scary for some people
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Hap-py Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
sorry about that, i had this all set up all the way in january. When i made that journal no one really said a word to me or anything Xddd. about 4 months later and when i was goign to set this up i guess it got too real for some peeps. 

-scratches head- 
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plantbones Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you should probably explain yourself further, like you did in the notes because right now you have a lot of disappointed and angry people //:
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner May 22, 2016   Filmographer
except she hardly explained herself through notes either. she noted me about it, and it was the same schlock as this
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plantbones Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hhh yeah you're right, it was a confusing mess and i'm not sure how I feel now having done business with her before

sweats
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cactheo Featured By Owner Edited May 22, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I'm pretty sure they've been hacked or something ! ; A ;
This isn't their style and the smileys they're using isn't like the ones they usually use

and their grammar is really different 
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cactheo Featured By Owner May 22, 2016  Student Digital Artist
So do I! It's really out of character, I hope it gets solved if that is the case!
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