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Sasa by GUWEIZ
Link to actual poll~

First off, thank you all for participating in my little poll, I really appreciate all of you voting and commenting! It's something that I've been thinking about recently and your responses were very insightful. It will be really very hard for me to write a reply to every comment, so I'll try responding to some that stood out to me in a journal format!

Obvious disclaimer: All this is just me rambling, I'm no authority on anything. Believe what you like, and feel free to disagree.


Sasa7 by GUWEIZ

Comparison can become something that's restrictive and crippling to all creators when overdone indeed. Personally I tend to lean towards art being competitive in an inclusive way. For me personally, it's not so much becoming better than any specific person, but rather to reach a level benchmarked by the best. I also believe that expression/enjoyment and competition are not necessarily exclusive things. Sometimes I have the most fun when I approach things a little "competitively" and try to achieve a certain quality in composition, design, etc.


Sasa4 by GUWEIZ

Art is definitely an extremely personal journey for sure! However, I believe that a certain level of comparison and desire to "become as good" is quite beneficial. I could be drawing something that I've always wanted to draw, but at the same time if I tried to "compete" by demanding a certain quality in my lighting decisions, does it make my drawing any less meaningful?


Sasa5 by GUWEIZ

Indeed, in a lot of ways, "art" can't be compared. However, barring extremely abstract forms of art, there are just simple instinctively recognized aesthetics that make certain works more appealing. Like you said yourself, there are combinations of colors that are amazing! In the same way, I believe that there are combinations of composition, design, structure, texture, etc. that create a "superior" artwork. Hence, if two artists both desire to draw anime illustrations (just as an example), I believe that it is possible for one to be simply "better" if he/she has found a better combination of ideas/fundamentals.



Sasa2 by GUWEIZ

This just really applies to hardcore people who want to go pro and get hired by triple-A firms real quick. Ultimately, hobbyists do it just purely for fun, and because they enjoy it. If I did this for a hobby you could tell me that my art was shit and I would laugh it off because I don't care if I embarrass myself or look like a fool. Ultimately we make certain activities hobbies because we find it unimportant relative to other activities. Perhaps consider that some don't "care" enough about art to think about it as anything more than a just-for-fun activity. Not every moviegoer wants to be a top critic.

Lastly, I personally wouldn't let any one tell me whether I should quit or persevere. It's just a decision I think that's best made by oneself.

Sasa6 by GUWEIZ

Very concise, and I agree. Ultimately, I believe that being competitive and "more intense" about your work in general is a very personal choice.




At the end of the day I do believe that competition is possible and can be beneficial, and that it is a "right" thing to do if you are someone that wants to keep getting better. But the most important thing is that there is no right and wrong between choosing whether to enter the competition itself. I absolutely do not and will not think less of anyone because of their personal art goals, regardless of whether they are professionals or hobbyists.

That said, I'm personally a competitive guy and not having the knowledge and skill that someone better has just kinda keeps me on edge and motivates me to try even harder. Maybe I'll never ever come close to being "top tier", but I'll keep fighting as long as I'm not number 1.

p.s. I'll probably be fighting forever >.>
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Urind Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Very interesting read
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Fukakiyo Featured By Owner May 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nothing is a competition until someone starts making it one. In my opinion, if you're drawing simply because you want to and it makes fun, then no, it clearly isn't. But if you're doing it for another reason (want to make money through publishing a story, want fame), then yeah, it becomes one.
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SuperUniform Featured By Owner Edited Mar 6, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Im all for no competition but that mindset wont get you a job. 
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Der-Hauptmann Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016
I don't really see my comment as "insulting" or "heartless." I don't understand why people are reacting so negatively about it.
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Raystah Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Some people just have different opinions I guess, and you did state your one pretty bluntly lol. But I, for one, love the different perspective you offered. Although I honestly don't agree with the 'quit if you're not good at first' part. I think all great artists start out terribly at first, but slowly upgrade their skillset to the top, meaning the real competition here is who upgrades fastest haha.
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Der-Hauptmann Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016
Thank you. People should know their place if they don't know how to create art perfectly. The strong exist to keep the weak in line. The weak are made to obey and admire the strong. It's in my view that when one is terrible at first, they will always be terrible. No improvement will be made so it is a hopeless battle. Competition in art is simply a test to root out those who are weak. Lastly, Just to remind everyone I don't intend to offend anyone with my words.
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GOLEYAKH-m Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2016
Art comes from the heart and the love
Artist morale and feelings in art show
Everyone is unique art
Everyone has their own style
Who knows in his art competition to win instead of greed is love
So art is not a competition
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Arjuna1976 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016
I'm no artist, and that's why I didn't partake in the poll, but I have my opinion and I agree with Eden-West: there's no number 1! Never liked to rank things or people or anything, and I find it also a bit immature. Even in such a limited thing as visual art in DeviantArt I would never say that somebody is the best artist ever, nor even the best artist for me. I can like or love with different degree, but compare things such as beauty is pointless (in my opinion).
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Eden-West Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
What is number 1? Where is number 1 and who owns it? Isn't it all very subjective in the end? You could have the most elegant and remarkable skill set ever but to many others they may prefer someone that has a better story quality.

It also depends if you count being number 1 by how the fans adore you? Or from your own point of view? Or from many experts?

Never notice that there are so many detailed and skilled artists around the globe now that show great detail but it all becomes over saturated?

At least for me it's gotten like that, I use to be competitive but I stopped after I realized I was harming my health/it was a shitty life style :/ though maybe your smarter with how you use your competitiveness. You do you.
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patoARTS Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016
I wanna be the very best
Like no one ever was
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Hntpo Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Really interesting topic ! :)
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CoalBrush13 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Appreciate you mentioning and replying to my comment! I stand by my belief but agree with the others, that art certainly can be a competition, but I've seen it be the friendliest competition in the world. People help others get better at art, but are constantly trying to improve themselves to get better than someone else they envy. It's a competition of who can help each other out more. And I love that.
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Tracia90 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016
The true competition is with yourself to be better the day before. You are your biggest critic. 
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Dragon-Creator Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016
Art is a learning process. It is all about the journey. It is a way of thinking. Once you see it in a certain way, you are a professional, and forever a student, but you can still do it as just a hobby. You can never learn too much, but once you are able to create something that can really make people think, feel, or realize something, that is true success. That is my goal, and that's why my profile says student, and forever will, because there is always more to learn.
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WineInAnOpenWound Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
That hardcore comment tho.
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Dragon-Creator Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016
Lol, yeah. I think he's crazy, because if I just stopped, when I thought I wasn't good enough I would be nowhere right now, and I would have no goal in life.
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Der-Hauptmann Featured By Owner Edited Mar 5, 2016
I am not crazy. I am perfect.
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WineInAnOpenWound Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm so glad we agree. 
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Meeshell-Art Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
From a professional perspective, the better artists will get the work. I find popularity does not relate to skill as much, so the competition is getting your stuff out there enough. I see plenty of artists I believe are average and they are extremely popular, or artists I think are amazing and are popular. Usually on Tumblr though. I just hate that I will never be able to do anything but teach myself, and how can I teach myself when I don't even know how.
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crystalcat01 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
V while*
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crystalcat01 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
The fourth one though..that guy has no heart can he see the ppl that couldnt draw before (like me)? And them improved? Art is not about the strong OR the weak, it's about being even in levels too, the bad artists are still good even of their art is bad it is good in the same time wile in real life we have to be even but some ppl are rich and bieng stubborn by not giving a bit of their money for the poor they think they are better but who Knows? The poor might be better than them by alot! Like doing a hobby or finding themselves in a hard and long adventure that help them know life. At the end we all know that no matter what, we are all even at everything.
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290345235234 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016
Art is only for perfect people.
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crystalcat01 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Um...nobody is perfect.... that's a fact, everyone has a flaw in their art even the perfect art piece u think is perfect, it has a flaw no matter what.
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Der-Hauptmann Featured By Owner Edited Mar 5, 2016
Am I really that heartless? I'm not targeting any individual here, I am just saying what I think. I also strongly believe that I am perfect.
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crystalcat01 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
"And that's why folks, never do art if ur not perfect!" Is that wut ur saying?
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Der-Hauptmann Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016
Yes. It saves a person from embarrassment. It just means that the person knows that he or she isn't fit for art.
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crystalcat01 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
0^0 yep ur flowey.....or chara...someone like dat idk..
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Der-Hauptmann Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016
Please don't compare me to video game characters. I'm much more better than that.
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lDestiny Featured By Owner Edited Feb 20, 2016
Really great journal. I agree with all points here, but one about hobbyists.

No, hobbyists are not cowards - that piece from the fourth commenter is really insulting. :(  Hobbyists are just as good as competitive artists.

For a hobbyist like me, art is actually extremely important to me. I am studying something to make a career out of later, but I don't let drawing stay on the sideline. It's just as important to me as my study, but just not my career focus NOW. Hobbyists can also care how their art looks - it's not exclusive to competitive artists. I care a lot if someone says my art is crap - I work very hard to get where I am now and want to get better, too. But not as a career (at the moment). Drawing is not number on my priority list now, but as number two, I have very strong feelings for it.
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290345235234 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016
This is my second account. It is insulting because it is the truth.
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lDestiny Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016
So you had to use a new account just to comment on this journal??
Your idea is merely an opinion.
I find your opinion insulting and incredibly narrow-minded. That's my opinion.
Deal with it.
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lDestiny Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016
Aw, did I hurt your feelings?
:) :heart:
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DarthMcLeod Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Student
Wanting to be "as good" as someone is not competition. 

Competition is when you have to be "better than".  It's a dominance thing.  You can have a friendly competition where nobody cares if anyone wins or loses, but that can get serious for one or both.

Consider the story of the competition between the Beach Boys and the Beatles.
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RarelySophisticated Featured By Owner Edited Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
"You@ All: art is love

You@ All: art is life

You@ All: like literally, in a basic way, that's very true"

-me, just now in join.me

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Clannad16 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
first comment is my fav~ 
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CytryzArt Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016   Digital Artist
If you want to get hired it is/use it for profits. If you are doing it for your own enjoyment then it really isn't.
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MudslingerArtist Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016
reading has helped me alot - mostly because I'm hesitant to work on piece that I fear won't be good enough or better than my last work.
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LoLo-is-SeaDoo-ing Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016   Digital Artist
Great journal I agree! :clap: Competition (at least some) is needed to keep your art evolving. Others' art can be a source of inspiration and motivation to improve :D
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ShiryuuAkira Featured By Owner Edited Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Art IS a competition. Note that competition is not about comparing how good you are than others, but it's about how good you are than your former selves. Not many would admit it, but it's very common mistake ( or I would rather say " Gravest " mistake ) for an aspiring artist is to not competing to themselves. They may create an art in order to compete who is better, but however after they did overcome their competitions, most of them won't know what they have actually learned and possibly they will never feel satisfied even they are so good at it because what they have earned from comparing with others don't suit their liking. More like, they couldn't bring themselves to like it. I learned this half year ago the hard way. And what is that ? > Learn to make " you " into a " better you "

Being competitive is good, but do not mistake your target.

If you never think about overcoming yourself, you will never actually grow at all. Just FIGHT ! Even my journey is just the beginning :D
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todachios Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree that there will always be a level of competition in art, whether it's competition against your own skills (older vs newer), or competition against others. For the latter I don't mean direct competition as in winning a contest or something, though that counts, but competition through comparing your skills and trying to achieve something someone else has for yourself.

Competition makes art exciting in its own way, as long as it isn't taken out of hand c:
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think you really hit the nail on it's head with that last sentence. 
You can ultimately make anything in life into a competition, or you can choose not to do. Neither of them are right or wrong, as long as it's a conscious choice and one you're happy with :)

For me personally, art is just a way to have fun. I'm not the competitive type of person (aside from the aspect of self-improvement) as I feel everything is life is made into a contest already, and art is just a way to wind down for me. I can totally imagine other people doing really great on the competition-thing, though. Some people need that kind of motivation, some people don't ^^
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Ignorance1997 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Student Digital Artist
The only competition is yourself. You set the rules and standards. If you care about a high standard of living then you enter a competition in a capitalistic world, etc etc. 
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RebellingLemming Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Use to think that way and you know what! There is no initiative or creativity out of competition. All energy and attention come to what indicator of referee points. Competition does exist but it should not exist in the mind of artist but outsider. Art is reward and making art is happiness for artist itself. Comparing and giving reward is other people's business, not artist's.
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YukiTaiyoX Featured By Owner Edited Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No comparison, no competition.

And evolving is not a matter of fighting, but of fineness and consciousness.
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ScatteredOsyx Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Great journal, I totally agree with you!
Art is a competition but at the same time it's not, it all depends on where you yourself think you stand and how you act according to that :)
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